Four Winds Posted January 28, 2007 #1 Share Posted January 28, 2007 I have not read the Koran and no very little on the subject of Islam. Can anyone here share why the Burka came to be, what is the logic for it? It seems a severe form of repression to an outside observer such as myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyhomunculi Posted January 28, 2007 #2 Share Posted January 28, 2007 “And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, or their brothers' sons or their sisters' sons….” (Quran 24:31).” Hope this is helpful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpressStarXVII Posted January 28, 2007 #3 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Both women and men have a dress code in Islam. It is a form of modesty and protection for women. I found this site which I think you may find interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyhomunculi Posted January 28, 2007 #4 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Good site Empress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Winds Posted January 28, 2007 Author #5 Share Posted January 28, 2007 “And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, or their brothers' sons or their sisters' sons….” (Quran 24:31).” Hope this is helpful Very helpful. Is that the only place it comes from? That one passage in the koran? All I get out of that is they should cover their breasts. Those really traditional Burkas only have the womans eyes showing. I'm not seeing anything in this passage that says cover yourself except for your eyes. Does it say in the Koran that men must lower their gaze as well, if not that is rather sexist, don't ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyhomunculi Posted January 28, 2007 #6 Share Posted January 28, 2007 (edited) Does it say in the Koran that men must lower their gaze as well, if not that is rather sexist, don't ya think? Maybe, but that is not for me to say. I wish people would stop worrying about others religion and start thinking about things like medicines, food, clean water, for impoverished places. and as you can see above Empress has provided you a pretty informative site Edited January 28, 2007 by clover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Winds Posted January 28, 2007 Author #7 Share Posted January 28, 2007 (edited) Maybe, but that is not for me to say. I wish people would stop worrying about others religion and start thinking about things like medicines, food, clean water, for impoverished places. and as you can see above Empress has provided you a pretty informative site She did and I appreciate the link, it has been very informative I don't "worry" about others religions but I would like to understand them. I'm not trying to be provacative with my post, only trying to understand. I do think about things like medicines, food, clean water, for impoverished places, by the way. But I believe actions speak louder than words and so I have traveled to third world countries and I believe I have made a positive difference in many lives in those countries. In fact there are three or four villages in Sri Lanka who's children have recieved imunizations against Japanese Encephalitis because of my efforts. So, please don't condensend and let me ask my questions. I like your avatar by the way, he's cute Edited January 28, 2007 by Razer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyhomunculi Posted January 28, 2007 #8 Share Posted January 28, 2007 She did and I appreciate the link, it has been very informative I don't "worry" about others religions but I would like to understand them. I'm not trying to be provacative with my post, only trying to understand. I do think about things like medicines, food, clean water, for impoverished places, by the way. But I believe actions speak louder than words and so I have traveled to third world countries and I believe I have made a positive difference in many lives in those countries. In fact there are three or four villages in Sri Lanka who's children have recieved imunizations against Japanese Encephalitis because of my efforts. So, please don't condensend and let me ask my questions. I like your avatar by the way, he's cute Maybe I was speaking to generally but that wasnt directed at you thanx, his name is mustard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Winds Posted January 28, 2007 Author #9 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Maybe I was speaking to generally but that wasnt directed at you thanx, his name is mustard I can't help wanting to tickle mustards belly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyhomunculi Posted January 28, 2007 #10 Share Posted January 28, 2007 I wouldnt, he looks sweet and all but he is a known finger eater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Winds Posted January 28, 2007 Author #11 Share Posted January 28, 2007 I wouldnt, he looks sweet and all but he is a known finger eater Well I got eight of them and two thumbs, I'll take my chances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebi Posted January 28, 2007 #12 Share Posted January 28, 2007 (edited) Both women and men have a dress code in Islam. It is a form of modesty and protection for women. I found this site which I think you may find interesting. I'm social phobic, and if it wasn't such a contraversial subject around here (West Yorkshire, a few miles from where the school teacher lost her job) I'd wear one myself. Not for religious reasons, simply for the fact I'd feel "safer" with my face covered in public (I get panic attacks if people stare at me, silly I know lol) I often go round in the winter with a scarf round my face for that reason, it's harder to get away with in the summer. I can completely understand the "protection" side of it, especially psychological from the wearers viewpoint. I feel that if a woman wishes to wear it on her own terms then fair enough, if her husband/family insist even though she doesn't want to wear it then that's different. Edited January 28, 2007 by Bebi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Scotia Posted January 28, 2007 #13 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Only thing i know they must figgure if a woman had a pretty face she would be in danger of getting pounced on and raped by the men that surround her . Geese i could see covering up a little better then some do in the west as we all know their is perverts around at times . But they must think they have alot of men that could not control themselves or stop coveting other mens wives . In north west africa muslims circumcise women trying to make it so sex is not pleasurable . i guess they figgure if it was a pleasure for the woman they would be out looking for it somewhere else . I knew a guy married 4 woman in africa they all had it done to them , woman was next to a possession like a car or a house in that area . He told me sometimes people would just offer you women to keep . HEY you want my sister ? he said one guy asked him on a street . I actually met a few muslims from that country one time . One grew up christian and told me he converted to Islam as he got crazy when he drank jungle juice . And also i think he liked the 4 wife deal the muslims got . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyhomunculi Posted January 28, 2007 #14 Share Posted January 28, 2007 What is jungle juice lol .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Greenman Posted January 28, 2007 #15 Share Posted January 28, 2007 (edited) Ahh to cover a woman's beauty is a shame, besides the things look very hot. It is a wonder you don't see Muslim women lying in the street passed out from the heat in those things. Edited January 28, 2007 by Darkwind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpressStarXVII Posted January 28, 2007 #16 Share Posted January 28, 2007 I'm social phobic, and if it wasn't such a contraversial subject around here (West Yorkshire, a few miles from where the school teacher lost her job) I'd wear one myself. Not for religious reasons, simply for the fact I'd feel "safer" with my face covered in public (I get panic attacks if people stare at me, silly I know lol) I often go round in the winter with a scarf round my face for that reason, it's harder to get away with in the summer. I can completely understand the "protection" side of it, especially psychological from the wearers viewpoint. I feel that if a woman wishes to wear it on her own terms then fair enough, if her husband/family insist even though she doesn't want to wear it then that's different. That isn't silly at all, I am the same way . I wear a hijab when I go out for the same reason, it makes me comfortable in my surroundings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Scotia Posted January 28, 2007 #17 Share Posted January 28, 2007 I guess some type of alcohol . I had a brother lived Over there for a while (wasn't him had the 4 wives ,i think he had 60 lol) he had a goat for a pet . They kept coming offering to sacrifice it or something . After a while somebody just stole it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moondoggy Posted January 28, 2007 #18 Share Posted January 28, 2007 You should see the Muslim swimwear that women are allowed to wear. It seems to me no matter what their religion dictates it seems extremist and causes repression in their society. I suppose they could say we over expose in our society. Men are supposedly visually stimulated and this may be their reasoning aside from religion. The Muslim men seem to want to make up for it when they die and get 72 virgins in heaven. What a moronic mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Scotia Posted January 28, 2007 #19 Share Posted January 28, 2007 A religion inspired by the Penis id say (72 virgins i should tell my brother about this faith lol ) . Of course isn't that what a steeple on a Christian church represents a erect Penis ? Be something now if when they get to be spirit beings and then their penises no longer work . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moondoggy Posted January 28, 2007 #20 Share Posted January 28, 2007 A religion inspired by the Penis id say (72 virgins i should tell my brother about this faith lol ) . Of course isn't that what a steeple on a Christian church represents a erect Penis ? Be something now if when they get to be spirit beings and then their penises no longer work . I did a paper on this business of steeples as there is much debate over the origins. It seems it can go two ways in archaeological history. The more ancient theory is that it dates back to the obelisk and sun worship. the tempels were naturally to point to the sun. It is believes the "phallic cults took this idea over by the sheer nature of the shape of the structure aand adopted it. All modern buildings that point upward could certainly fit that bill as well, but obviously that is not the intent at all. I know that there is an Obelisk in front of St. Peter's. I am not sure what it is doing there but it is. Another theory of this is that these structures point to heaven or are closer to heaven, like the idea behind the tower of Babel. But, it is a bit of a stretch to say that steeples were intended for worship of the male genitalia, no pun intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Scotia Posted January 28, 2007 #21 Share Posted January 28, 2007 (edited) I just put church steeple orgins in google this came up nothing I made up, i don't really know what they are . Some Pagan sign is all i know . http://atheism.about.com/b/a/031884.htm here is a other one i just found don't know who its from. http://www.piney.com/Asherah.html seem to know a little about steeples orgins . Back to the Burka . Isn't saying much for the muslim men if they have to keep women coveredup like fort knox . They can't trust each other around a nice looking woman. Edited January 28, 2007 by Nova Scotia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpressStarXVII Posted January 28, 2007 #22 Share Posted January 28, 2007 You should see the Muslim swimwear that women are allowed to wear. It seems to me no matter what their religion dictates it seems extremist and causes repression in their society. I suppose they could say we over expose in our society. Men are supposedly visually stimulated and this may be their reasoning aside from religion. The Muslim men seem to want to make up for it when they die and get 72 virgins in heaven. What a moronic mindset. I don't claim to know everything about Islam, but I am quite certain that the idea of recieving 72 virgins upon entering heaven is a misconception. The aramaic term "hur" stands for "pure white grapes" but was rather misinterprited as virginal. Perhaps the virgin concept came from the words pure and white, both assoiciating with the term virgin. common misconceptions about Islam Islam Q&A Grapes? Virgins? women in islam As far as the swimsuits for muslim women; they are made that way because Islam is supposed to determine every aspect of your life. If it is customary in the Islamic way of life to be modest and cover your body, that doesn't mean going out in the water is an acception to the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Scotia Posted January 28, 2007 #23 Share Posted January 28, 2007 this page came up on the search too moondoggy . http://www.nazarite.net/the-churches.html its cute . Some muslims do teach the 72 virgin thing ,ive seen it . and heard tapes on it . Its a reward for suicide bombing Innocent peoples . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Scotia Posted January 28, 2007 #24 Share Posted January 28, 2007 (edited) http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0...,631357,00.html i just found this with a search , sounds like quite a place that muslim Paridise place . Be a good place to be a ****** salesman lol. I just read it all setting here laughing eternal erections !!!!!! i told you it was the religion inspired by the penis. wow eternal erections ! and 72 virgins ! Just think what you athiest are going to miss! Edited January 28, 2007 by Nova Scotia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpressStarXVII Posted January 28, 2007 #25 Share Posted January 28, 2007 this page came up on the search too moondoggy . http://www.nazarite.net/the-churches.html its cute . Some muslims do teach the 72 virgin thing ,ive seen it . and heard tapes on it . Its a reward for suicide bombing Innocent peoples . Did you not read any of the articles I posted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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