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#1    Ashotep

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:25 AM

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Mar. 12, 2013 — Ongoing glacier loss in the Canadian high Arctic is accelerating and probably irreversible, new model projections by Lenaerts et al. suggest. The Canadian high Arctic is home to the largest clustering of glacier ice outside of Greenland and Antarctica -- 146,000 square kilometers (about 60,000 square miles) of glacier ice spread across 36,000 islands.

Canadian Arctic Glacier Melt Accelerating, Irreversible, Projections Suggest

Its a shame that this may be irreversible.  A lot of wild life depend on conditions remaining relatively the same.


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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:55 PM

Climate change is incessant, though the rate might change.

Whether mankind has contributed to it is the big question.


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Posted 13 March 2013 - 02:32 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 13 March 2013 - 01:55 PM, said:

Climate change is incessant, though the rate might change.

Whether mankind has contributed to it is the big question.
Not really.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 02:00 AM

I don't think there is any question about mans involvement.


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 02:25 PM

It seems to me that man's contribution to the phenomenon cannot be denied, but I am no authority.

It is interesting that from our observations it seems that similar processes are at play on other planets in our solar system.


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 03:06 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 16 March 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:

It seems to me that man's contribution to the phenomenon cannot be denied, but I am no authority.

It is interesting that from our observations it seems that similar processes are at play on other planets in our solar system.
What other planets?  This is news to me.


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Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:42 PM

The earth is not a slave to be whipped and beaten by a master. She will grab the whip and pull us into the flames.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:29 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 16 March 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

What other planets?  This is news to me.

Just finished a terrific book, The Source Field Investigations.  Can't remember the author at this moment, just published in 2012.

An amazing book and long.  At the end as he is attempting to tie it all up he cites NASA data and others who regularly visually monitor planets, and over the last several decades, which is all the data that there is I guess, those observations suggest significant atmospheric change going on.  Several planets as I recall.

So, it appears that the entire solar system is undergoing similar change to what we are? :-*

David Wilcock was his name.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 06:21 AM

This would imply something going on either with the sun (for which I know of no evidence from solar observation) or in the solar system environment (what that might be I can't imagine).

My inclination then is to dismiss it; such observations may be accurate but not mean anything beyond that planets sometimes experience changes.


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:29 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 16 March 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

Just finished a terrific book, The Source Field Investigations.  Can't remember the author at this moment, just published in 2012.

An amazing book and long.  At the end as he is attempting to tie it all up he cites NASA data and others who regularly visually monitor planets, and over the last several decades, which is all the data that there is I guess, those observations suggest significant atmospheric change going on.  Several planets as I recall.

So, it appears that the entire solar system is undergoing similar change to what we are? :-*

David Wilcock was his name.
To try to draw any conclusions about the solar system from dataset's which are less than a century long (many less than a decade) is ridiculous and would not be tolerated if it was attempted in terrestrial climatology. What would have to be shown is that climate change is happening in all parts of the solar system in ways which cannot be correlated to normal planetary seasonal effects. Then you would have to establish the actual mechanism.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:39 PM

All the data means is that change is constant.  Not just on this planet, but on the others too.  Nothing really profound there.


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:15 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 17 March 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

All the data means is that change is constant.  Not just on this planet, but on the others too.  Nothing really profound there.
All change has a driver - the whole thing of climate science is to identify the drivers and there relative contributions.
When you have accounted for the natural drivers which have caused most historic climate change - you have to account for the residual and that is where mans effects on the planetary system come in.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:33 PM

Agreed, and I wonder if there are drivers that man is not aware of?


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:45 AM

View PostRaptor Witness, on 16 March 2013 - 05:42 PM, said:

The earth is not a slave to be whipped and beaten by a master. She will grab the whip and pull us into the flames.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:03 AM

Antarctica is gaining ice while the arctic is losing it. Feels more like a cycle to me. Could man influence climate? Sure. Do I think its enough to throw the earth into a premature cycle? No I don't think so. Not enough data. Do I think we are polluting the air quality. Yes I do. But any catastrophic climatic change may simply be a natural cycle. We are at the end of an ice age. Ice will recede. I'm still reading up to see if something convinces me otherwise but I'm just not entirely convinced yet. Besides from what a meteorologist friend of mine said is that if we change the climate in the way its being suggested we would actually see a new ice age start encroaching.  The world would balance itself out again. I don't have all the answers though not even close... :)

Edited by Aus Der Box Skeptisch, 19 March 2013 - 07:45 AM.

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