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Are Extraterrestrials Really Demons?


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#316    psyche101

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 01:18 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 13 April 2013 - 02:38 AM, said:

Psyche, we can't repeat many or most events in such a strict environment. How does Randi expect to test a mass sighting of a unique event? It's impossible. As for my comment about him, it mostly has to do with his creepy eugenicist leanings.


The main and most prominent mas hallucination I can think of is the Fatima event, and it was indeed predicted. Any event will do. And demonstration will do. All it must pass is a test of honesty, and that is not only where every challenge to date has fallen down, but it does seem more than suspicious that this upsets people.

Are you taking about his survival of the fittest comment? That seems to be at the heart of this eugenics claim?


I’m a believer in Social Darwinism. Not in every case. I would do anything to stop a twelve-year-old kid from doing it. Sincerely. But in general, I think that Darwinism, survival of the fittest, should be allowed to act itself out. As long as it doesn’t interfere with me and other sensible, rational people who could be affected by it. Innocent people, in other words.



May I ask, why do you find this statement offensive? I thought most people were of this opinion?

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 01:20 AM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 14 April 2013 - 08:48 PM, said:

Demons exist within us (inside). No need to search anywhere.

Good call.

Now that is profound, accurate, and impossible to deny. I find this the most accurate description in the thread.

Well said.  :tu:

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 01:41 AM

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Pink elephants. Unicorns, rivers of psychedelic rainbows, I bet he "saw" quite a bit on Opium. Nothing he experienced on Opium was actually supernatural. It's why people take it I believe. To escape reality. He just sold his dreams was all.

People were pretty religious and rather naive back then too, you only had to say your had a neutral opinion of the devil, and people would fear you. Although not all that long ago, it was commonplace to believe in witches, spells and the like.  I suppose that is why Fonzie was considered tough in the day? Imagine him fronting an LA street gang?

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Crowley would not command the interest he did back than today. He would just be another drugged out nutter.

Tesla was amazing, I didn't get to post that before and I wasn't aware that he smoked marijuana.

Those are good points you made and they came along with pictures,  thumbs up

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:12 AM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 14 April 2013 - 08:48 PM, said:

Demons exist within us (inside). No need to search anywhere.

Most of us can agree on that. I definitely won't search for demons.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:21 AM

For those of us who don´t believe in either, this is a really weird topic question. Like: "Is Santa Claus really the Easter Bunny"?

How does one comment on a double absurdity like that.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:36 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 15 April 2013 - 01:18 AM, said:

The main and most prominent mas hallucination I can think of is the Fatima event, and it was indeed predicted. Any event will do. And demonstration will do. All it must pass is a test of honesty, and that is not only where every challenge to date has fallen down, but it does seem more than suspicious that this upsets people.

Are you taking about his survival of the fittest comment? That seems to be at the heart of this eugenics claim?


I’m a believer in Social Darwinism. Not in every case. I would do anything to stop a twelve-year-old kid from doing it. Sincerely. But in general, I think that Darwinism, survival of the fittest, should be allowed to act itself out. As long as it doesn’t interfere with me and other sensible, rational people who could be affected by it. Innocent people, in other words.



May I ask, why do you find this statement offensive? I thought most people were of this opinion?

Fatima is just one example of a shared incident. It doesn't explain the hundreds of others that have little or nothing to do with it. It definitely can't be used to debunk them without failing the BS test. Your quote is not that offensive, but this site gives a few more of them that aren't so uncontroversial.

http://www.patheos.c...ditheeugenicis/

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:43 AM

View PostZaphod222, on 15 April 2013 - 02:21 AM, said:

For those of us who don´t believe in either, this is a really weird topic question. Like: "Is Santa Claus really the Easter Bunny"?

How does one comment on a double absurdity like that.

Read the previous 321 posts. Maybe that will answer your question.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:45 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 15 April 2013 - 02:43 AM, said:

Read the previous 321 posts. Maybe that will answer your question.

You mean my urgent question if Santa is really the Easter Bunny has been answered?
Do tell!! Which message, please?

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:49 AM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 15 April 2013 - 01:41 AM, said:

Tesla was amazing, I didn't get to post that before and I wasn't aware that he smoked marijuana.

Those are good points you made and they came along with pictures,  thumbs up

I agree with Tesla, heck, the fluoro tube alone is an amazing piece of ingenuity. I would really have liked to have seen more of his wireless electricity, but it it's nice to know he finally got recognition for inventing the radio.
I do not think it is well advertised that he was a bit of a stoner. But on the plus side, he has inspired a lot of stoners to think I suppose.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 03:09 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 15 April 2013 - 02:36 AM, said:

Fatima is just one example of a shared incident. It doesn't explain the hundreds of others that have little or nothing to do with it. It definitely can't be used to debunk them without failing the BS test. Your quote is not that offensive, but this site gives a few more of them that aren't so uncontroversial.

http://www.patheos.c...ditheeugenicis/

But Fatima is an event that could be documented  Are not many religious "miracles" like bleeding statues, or the claim of stigmata ongoing phenomena that not only are claimed to be repeated, but can be predicted? It just seems to me that examples exist, but are not tested, and left to faith?

With Randi's comment, he himself had this to say:


I received this direct quote from Mr. Randi through the James Randi Education Foundation:


The statement “I’m a believer in social Darwinism,” did not come from me. In fact, I had to look up the expression to learn what was being referred to. This attack appears to be calling me a Nazi, nothing less. I demand that Mr. Storr refer me to the original sources to which we assume he has referred. Until then, I’ll only say that he has carefully selected phrases and statements out of context, not the sort of referencing that I would have expected from him.



But if we say these are his exact words, I still do not see them as offensive, if I may illustrate:



[T]hose individuals who were stupid enough to rush into the arms of the mythical houris and/or Adonis’s they would expect to greet them, would simply do so and die – by whatever chemical or biological fate would overcome them… [T]he principle of Survival of the Fittest would draconically prove itself for a couple of years, after which Natural Selection would weed out those for whom there is no hope except through our forbearance.
Any weeping and wailing over the Poor Little Kids who would perish by immediately gobbling down pills and injecting poison, is summoning up crocodile tears, in my opinion. They would – and presently do – mature into grown-up idiots, and Darwin would be appalled that his lessons were ignored.


He would be describing a crack junkie thief would he not? Gang members? People who want to upset society as their idea of a model society, one where they are the leaders? Would we miss such an element of society?

I’m a believer in Social Darwinism. Not in every case. I would do anything to stop a twelve-year-old kid from doing it. Sincerely. But in general, I think that Darwinism, survival of the fittest, should be allowed to act itself out. As long as it doesn’t interfere with me and other sensible, rational people who could be affected by it. Innocent people, in other words.


We are good on this one I believe? Not to mention Randi says this is out of context?


These are stupid people. And if they can’t survive, they don’t have the IQ, don’t have the thinking power to be able to survive, it’s unfortunate; I would hate to see it happen, but at the same time, it would clear the air


Obviously some tongue in cheek that some could find offensive, but overall, pretty benign. Is this any worse?

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Just Google Stupid People, Randi is anything but alone with this comment.


I think that people with mental aberrations who have family histories of inherited diseases and such, that something should be done seriously to educate them to prevent them from procreating. I think they should be gathered together in a suitable place and have it demonstrated for them what their procreation would mean for the human race.


People like Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini?




What we do not see is anyone asking Randi, nor do we see his points refuted. I tend to find drama as a successful mask. And I have to say, the comments and complaints seem to revolve around one persons fragmented opinion of some misquotes. But I do believe the nature of his challenge is likely to make him many enemies as he has taken the magic out of the trick. How do you feel about the obvious charlatans he has exposed? Do you not see that as a service to humanity? I thought he deserved a medal for ousting Popoff?

Edited by psyche101, 15 April 2013 - 03:17 AM.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 03:34 AM

View PostZaphod222, on 15 April 2013 - 02:45 AM, said:

You mean my urgent question if Santa is really the Easter Bunny has been answered?
Do tell!! Which message, please?

It might be the one about the Great Pumpkin. Feel free to start your own thread on the Sarcasm Elf.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 03:52 AM

Psyche, how does that relate to the pilot and the crowd? It's mixing apples with oranges. Sure, you can compare bleeding pictures with weeping statues, weeping portraits with bleeding icons, Mary's face on a cracker with Mary's face on a pancake, etc.. Fatima, as well as these examples, share religious themes. They're not in the same category as a flying saucer, which is a nuts-and-bolts object. Now, you could say that all of the experiences can be skewed by the witnesses' own perspectives, as well as their interpretations. Still, it's not ingenuous to put all claims in the same category. It's best to look at the individual case on its own.

It's good that Randi exposed some cons and nuts. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't think that his challenge encompasses all situations, though. It covers some of them well, but others....not so much. I found other questionable comments from him. One site was linked from the Anomalist, and his quotes were out of line. Some of his followers and supporters admitted that they were. I hope that I saved the site in question.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 05:36 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 15 April 2013 - 03:52 AM, said:

Psyche, how does that relate to the pilot and the crowd? It's mixing apples with oranges.

Did you not say any event that is supernatural cannot be recorded? The plane should have RADAR all around it, ground teams that can confirm an object as many people with digital cameras. Why do we get pictures like this:


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Instead of pictures like this?


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Does this not indicate personal interpretation?


View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 15 April 2013 - 03:52 AM, said:

Sure, you can compare bleeding pictures with weeping statues, weeping portraits with bleeding icons, Mary's face on a cracker with Mary's face on a pancake, etc.. Fatima, as well as these examples, share religious themes. They're not in the same category as a flying saucer, which is a nuts-and-bolts object. Now, you could say that all of the experiences can be skewed by the witnesses' own perspectives, as well as their interpretations. Still, it's not ingenuous to put all claims in the same category. It's best to look at the individual case on its own.

Paredolia I get, but why can none of the above things be presented to Randi? Just one would do, and the circumstances are flexible. We also must remember that every UFO explanation to date has been prosaic.

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 15 April 2013 - 03:52 AM, said:

It's good that Randi exposed some cons and nuts. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't think that his challenge encompasses all situations, though. It covers some of them well, but others....not so much. I found other questionable comments from him. One site was linked from the Anomalist, and his quotes were out of line. Some of his followers and supporters admitted that they were. I hope that I saved the site in question.


It seems to me that if someone had a genuine case that people would be against Randi. He too seems to have come to a lifetime conclusion that whilst no proof for the Supernatural exists, proof of charlatans abounds.

Maybe he had a bad day, I am not sure of the comments you refer to, but considering his exposure to the media, if this is all there is, it does not appear to me to be "in character", but more of a random comment. Many hate him, as he has uncovered the means to fool people that ruined many plans, so it is not surprising that some would slander him.

Edited by psyche101, 15 April 2013 - 05:38 AM.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 05:37 AM

While I can agree that aliens might not be as nice as everybody claims they would be I fail to see why demons would come to us in space ships and have big heads and eyes and little bodies. Also why would demons preform experiments on people while abducting them? It doesbt make sense. Can angels abduct us?


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 05:40 AM

View PostGodofcats, on 15 April 2013 - 05:37 AM, said:

While I can agree that aliens might not be as nice as everybody claims they would be I fail to see why demons would come to us in space ships and have big heads and eyes and little bodies. Also why would demons preform experiments on people while abducting them? It doesbt make sense. Can angels abduct us?

Well that is a very good point, demons should know humans pretty well by now, the probes are redundant. Maybe they are kinky demons?

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