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[XingWi]

SpiritWriter, on 13 February 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

I am convinced the white light I witnessed was indeed the holy spirit.

SpiritWriter, on 14 February 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

I didnt assume that any manifestation of it was God or the Holy Spirit..

Which one of these two conflicting claims of yours is correct? Really, I'm confused now.



I'm sorry if my comments came across as bit harsh. I just hate the fact that people are sometimes too arrogant and stubborn to even consider looking at their "situations" from other people's perspective (whom they have themselves invited to share btw) before outright rejecting it when they don't even have the basic knowledge about the subject. I still suggest that you should read some basics on AP though before "convincing" yourself of any "holy spirit".

Our consciousnesses and their astral experiences are far more complex than you think they are. We exist at different planes of existance at the same time. When it comes to our experiences in the other world, we can not only exist at two locations but in two different times at the same time. Yours sprang up into action when it sensed the demons to deal with them. In my opinion it was your own subtle body  that was "levitating" and it was your own subtle body fighting with the demons, both at the same time. You probably managed it a few times before and this was the one you remembered. And I will add one more (very basic) thing for your future reference: OBEs and APs are not always the same. They do not share disjoint relationship but do not share identity relationship either.


Anyway since you have already made up your mind it is pointless to discuss with you anything on this. Don't worry I will try to avoid posting in your threads in the future, I just came back to explain my take on the issue... maybe it will help someone else to understand his experience. You are entitiled to disagree if you wish. We are still cool.

[SpiritWriter]

I meant to italicize the "any".. so by saying I was interested on white light experiences I wouldn't assume that ALL were the same as mine. I would take thier experience at face value whether it be themselves, thier energy, the holy spirit, whatever I would just listen. Who am I to assume what happens to other people? I just want to share and compare notes. To be honest also I dont feel that I need to read any books before understanding what happened to me. I do understand it. Experience has its own revelations that way outweigh someone elses understanding of the matter, a book is just the authors opinion on it, it is not an authority. For me God is the authority and he shows me things in my life and gives me things to interpret. And this experience is a big one! My purpose here was to share it. I dont appose you sharing your viewpoints. I feel it adds to the whole of my or anyone else who is reading this understanding, but when you take an authoritative tone I will never be able to hear you. I cannot except anyone who tries to force what they think on me. You cannot claim to know exactly what happened in my bedroom that night.  I do appreciate any insight and comparison of experiences or explanations about your understanding but thats it.

I can easily claim that this was the Holy Spirit that took over my body because my body went into automatic prayer, I was calling on god, which is something up until that point I never would do. I will not argue that Holy Spirit is not apart from me or not a part of me, nor that the power of God does not work through me. Yes it is all a part of me, but it was a visible and very real portrayal of how these manifold powers play out.

Edited by SpiritWriter, 15 February 2013 - 04:54 PM.

[notforgotten]

SpiritWriter, on 13 February 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

I had been enduring the poltergeist activity

I used to watch my computer chair swivel around. This was done by evil spirits.

Edited by notforgotten, 26 February 2013 - 05:43 PM.

[SpiritWriter]

notforgotten, on 26 February 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

I used to watch my computer chair swivel around. This was done by evil spirits.

Crazy stuff man....

[White Unicorn]

A Buddist perception comes to my mind in this situation about humility. You can pick up truth within many beliefs, religions or philosophies.

There's an apple tree, is the apple to have pride over the seed? Apple says I know more and I contain many of those stupid seeds and the seed says I am more than the apple because I will grow into a tree and have many apples, apples will just wither and die or be eaten. The tree says I am above them all but he does not see that he's only one in the orchard and came from the seed.

There should be a harmony of existence not arguments, we are all at different stages of understanding and interpetation and can learn from each other.  

I can see where the holy spirit is seen as a form of AP but I can also see there is also something above it all and inside of it all. Some call it God and some call it Cosmic Consciousness and Unity of Eternal One.

I've seen many threads exploring the AP, demons, angels, holy spirit etc but I never noticed one on the Cosmic Consciousness, being analyzed as an experience. I would call it the "God experience" because you seem everywhere at once, looking back at everything else inside & out and experiencing everything at once ..you are the trees, the clouds, the planets, stars, the astral realms and the small things etc.  If that happens to a person, they can't help but call it "walking with God" for lack of a better description, but after after you realize there is even more than what you experienced because it was just an "orchard experience" compared to the rest of the universe as a whole. Pride sends you away form it and humility brings you to the whole.      

[XingWi]

I had decided not to post in any threads of the OP anymore but if this biased argument continues I will be forced to get involved to provide to it some balance.

White Unicorn, on 27 February 2013 - 04:27 AM, said:

A Buddist perception comes to my mind in this situation about humility. You can pick up truth within many beliefs, religions or philosophies.

And another one comes to my mind : One cannot sail in two boats at the same time. For if he does so, he is destined to drown.

White Unicorn, on 27 February 2013 - 04:27 AM, said:

I've seen many threads exploring the AP, demons, angels, holy spirit etc but I never noticed one on the Cosmic Consciousness, being analyzed as an experience. I would call it the "God experience" because you seem everywhere at once, looking back at everything else inside & out and experiencing everything at once ..you are the trees, the clouds, the planets, stars, the astral realms and the small things etc.  If that happens to a person, they can't help but call it "walking with God" for lack of a better description, but after after you realize there is even more than what you experienced because it was just an "orchard experience" compared to the rest of the universe as a whole. Pride sends you away form it and humility brings you to the whole.   

Is this your own opinion or a fact? You have written it as if it is a fact. Even you are among those people who are analyzing things here, you realize that, don't you?

Now please bear with me, I will have to be blunt. I think it is ridiculous and paradoxical for the OP (who calls herself a Christian) to divinize herself over a silly video game she played in a half-awake and half-asleep state. Go back to page 1 and read carefully, I have encased the word "demons" in quotes. I didnt want to expand it then to avoid making her a scapegoat for the skeptics here. I think those "demons" she "destroyed" weren't even real beings. If they were real beings do you think they would be just standing there without resisting and waiting to be destroyed? If that was indeed the power of God (the creator) would it take 2 long hours for it to "destroy" those "demons"?  That doesn't mean there are no real demons out there but here it simply doesn't seem to be the case.

"God experience" you claim??? Get me an atheist or a misotheist and I will teach him how to become this "god" and populate an entire room with "demons" just with his mind and then play a first person shooter game by shooting beams of light or laser rays or whatever he wishes to shoot at them.

Are you claiming that it was not AP and everything happened in the physical realm like the OP claims? Or are you claiming that subsequent etherialization into sub-ethereal constituents of human body and shifting of your conciousness in one of them is not possible just because you never attained it? Or are you assuming that my interpretation is less valid than yours just because my post-count is less than yours? Or are you forcing your biased interpretation for this "experience" or whatever it is just because the OP is in your friends list (I just checked your profile BTW )?

In a majority of school of thoughts about AP, this experience would be interpreted as subsequent etherialization. The astral body is just a "shell" just as the physical body is a "shell". Between the astral body and the soul there are numerous sub-ethereal constructs/states that can be attained and your conciousness can be shifted into any of those. The actual number is only known to God. When I experienced that, it was a shift of conciousness from stage 1 to stage 2 of deformed subtle body, stage 2 was very unstable and it spontaneosly proceeded to stage 3 of light and I was able to shift my conciousness into that too. Which forces me to conclude that the "light" is a part of yourself just like a "shadow" is a part of yourself. Now whether the shadow is same as the light or whether the shadow has its own conciousness or not is a whole different issue, but the fact is there is nothing "divine" about such experiences. Not that I'm generalizing it, but it is far more plausible for a meagre human to experience this rather than any "holy spirit".

Thanks, for adding your biased interpretation but I will continue to differ. Not only because it was a biased attempt to support your friends but also because it is an attempt to gratify the narcissistic tendencies and self-proclaimed "devoutness" of people whose only purpose to "share" their "experiences" seems to be to get people in these forums to admire them for their "religious" experiences and not to hold real discussions about what the experience actually could be. Seems to me it was only meant to seek attention.

Now please bear with me for a moment... this isn't a personal attack. I am forced to conclude this after seeing that a quick look at the story of the OP reveals that the accounts about her experience are filled with inconsistencies:



Sometimes the color of light is white and sometimes it is golden:

SpiritWriter, on 13 February 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

A flooding bright white light came out of the center of my chest.

SpiritWriter, on 11 August 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

A bright golden light came out of my chest.

Sometimes it takes 30 minutes to destroy the biggest demon and sometimes it takes only 10 minutes:

SpiritWriter, on 13 February 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

The biggest and most massive took the longest, probably 30 minutes just for him.

SpiritWriter, on 11 August 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

The last demon was the huge one in the middle of the room, which was the largest. He took the longest to destroy, I would say it took 10-15 minutes.

Sometimes the light is the "holy spirit" and sometimes it is not:

SpiritWriter, on 13 February 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

I am convinced the white light I witnessed was indeed the holy spirit.

SpiritWriter, on 14 February 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

I didnt assume that any manifestation of it was God or the Holy Spirit.

And I'm sure there are many other inconsistencies if one reads carefully all the accounts of this story that are scattered across different threads but I'm not going to waste my time on searching those. I took it from only two threads so far.

Was this experience even real? What was the real purpose of making this thread? Was it only to seek attention? There are many questions that come to mind. But one thing is for sure there is something fishy about all this which the friends of the OP, it seems, have deliberately chosen to ignore. I'm not obligated to ignore these inconsistencies or whatever purpose lies behind making such threads so thank you but I will stay away from entertaining that. I'm a believer but also a rational person so I will take everything narrated to me with a grain of salt.

And I also think it is time for the skeptics of these forums to join this thread to add some balance to it by sharing their own interpretations about the experience of the OP (or mine ). Because I think that the request of the OP that the skeptics should stay away from this thread and not try to debunk her experience is not reasonable. They may debunk mine too if they wish, I don't mind.

Thank you.

[SpiritWriter]

Whatever dude. You already questioned some of those same statements and ive explained them maybe you should read them since you took the time to wonder so much about it..

I was just trying to share my experience I really dont know what your problem is. The light was bright white and the last one took the longest time to destroy.  No its not about attention it is about sharing... dont you think people should share thier experiences? And now you want to get skeptics involved? Why? You want me to feel terrible about what happened to me? You sound like a hater.. you keep saying you wont post here anymore but im not gonna copy and paste how many times.

Im ignoring you from now on. Your tactics are not helpful, for future reference you should know that. You keep questioning whether im christian or not, worry about yourself.

Peace forever, you are on block, I cant hear you...

Edited by SpiritWriter, 27 February 2013 - 01:43 PM.

[SpiritWriter]

White Unicorn, on 27 February 2013 - 04:27 AM, said:

A Buddist perception comes to my mind in this situation about humility. You can pick up truth within many beliefs, religions or philosophies.

There's an apple tree, is the apple to have pride over the seed? Apple says I know more and I contain many of those stupid seeds and the seed says I am more than the apple because I will grow into a tree and have many apples, apples will just wither and die or be eaten. The tree says I am above them all but he does not see that he's only one in the orchard and came from the seed.

There should be a harmony of existence not arguments, we are all at different stages of understanding and interpetation and can learn from each other.  

I can see where the holy spirit is seen as a form of AP but I can also see there is also something above it all and inside of it all. Some call it God and some call it Cosmic Consciousness and Unity of Eternal One.

I've seen many threads exploring the AP, demons, angels, holy spirit etc but I never noticed one on the Cosmic Consciousness, being analyzed as an experience. I would call it the "God experience" because you seem everywhere at once, looking back at everything else inside & out and experiencing everything at once ..you are the trees, the clouds, the planets, stars, the astral realms and the small things etc.  If that happens to a person, they can't help but call it "walking with God" for lack of a better description, but after after you realize there is even more than what you experienced because it was just an "orchard experience" compared to the rest of the universe as a whole. Pride sends you away form it and humility brings you to the whole.      

Thank you white unicorn... I was talking to a friend about this just this morning and she mentioned part of the bible when God spoke, some perceived it as thunder and others as the voice of angels. Jesus proceeds to say the voice didnt come because of me but for your sakes... I just hope someone got something out of my story if nothing more. I know that I experienced it and it may not be the same as anyone else, or perhaps somewhere out there this has happened similarly to another person. But it is a part of that whole, whether a seed or an apple or whatever.. but part of the whole. Thanks again

XO

Edited by SpiritWriter, 27 February 2013 - 03:36 PM.

[Brian Topp]

SpiritWriter, your stories sound a lot like japanese mangas.

[White Unicorn]

XingWi, on 27 February 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

I had decided not to post in any threads of the OP anymore but if this biased argument continues I will be forced to get involved to provide to it some balance.



And another one comes to my mind : One cannot sail in two boats at the same time. For if he does so, he is destined to drown.





Is this your own opinion or a fact? You have written it as if it is a fact. Even you are among those people who are analyzing things here, you realize that, don't you?

Now please bear with me, I will have to be blunt. I think it is ridiculous and paradoxical for the OP (who calls herself a Christian) to divinize herself over a silly video game she played in a half-awake and half-asleep state. Go back to page 1 and read carefully, I have encased the word "demons" in quotes. I didnt want to expand it then to avoid making her a scapegoat for the skeptics here. I think those "demons" she "destroyed" weren't even real beings. If they were real beings do you think they would be just standing there without resisting and waiting to be destroyed? If that was indeed the power of God (the creator) would it take 2 long hours for it to "destroy" those "demons"?  That doesn't mean there are no real demons out there but here it simply doesn't seem to be the case.

"God experience" you claim??? Get me an atheist or a misotheist and I will teach him how to become this "god" and populate an entire room with "demons" just with his mind and then play a first person shooter game by shooting beams of light or laser rays or whatever he wishes to shoot at them.

Are you claiming that it was not AP and everything happened in the physical realm like the OP claims? Or are you claiming that subsequent etherialization into sub-ethereal constituents of human body and shifting of your conciousness in one of them is not possible just because you never attained it? Or are you assuming that my interpretation is less valid than yours just because my post-count is less than yours? Or are you forcing your biased interpretation for this "experience" or whatever it is just because the OP is in your friends list (I just checked your profile BTW )?

In a majority of school of thoughts about AP, this experience would be interpreted as subsequent etherialization. The astral body is just a "shell" just as the physical body is a "shell". Between the astral body and the soul there are numerous sub-ethereal constructs/states that can be attained and your conciousness can be shifted into any of those. The actual number is only known to God. When I experienced that, it was a shift of conciousness from stage 1 to stage 2 of deformed subtle body, stage 2 was very unstable and it spontaneosly proceeded to stage 3 of light and I was able to shift my conciousness into that too. Which forces me to conclude that the "light" is a part of yourself just like a "shadow" is a part of yourself. Now whether the shadow is same as the light or whether the shadow has its own conciousness or not is a whole different issue, but the fact is there is nothing "divine" about such experiences. Not that I'm generalizing it, but it is far more plausible for a meagre human to experience this rather than any "holy spirit".

Thanks, for adding your biased interpretation but I will continue to differ. Not only because it was a biased attempt to support your friends but also because it is an attempt to gratify the narcissistic tendencies and self-proclaimed "devoutness" of people whose only purpose to "share" their "experiences" seems to be to get people in these forums to admire them for their "religious" experiences and not to hold real discussions about what the experience actually could be. Seems to me it was only meant to seek attention.

Now please bear with me for a moment... this isn't a personal attack. I am forced to conclude this after seeing that a quick look at the story of the OP reveals that the accounts about her experience are filled with inconsistencies:



Sometimes the color of light is white and sometimes it is golden:







Sometimes it takes 30 minutes to destroy the biggest demon and sometimes it takes only 10 minutes:







Sometimes the light is the "holy spirit" and sometimes it is not:






And I'm sure there are many other inconsistencies if one reads carefully all the accounts of this story that are scattered across different threads but I'm not going to waste my time on searching those. I took it from only two threads so far.

Was this experience even real? What was the real purpose of making this thread? Was it only to seek attention? There are many questions that come to mind. But one thing is for sure there is something fishy about all this which the friends of the OP, it seems, have deliberately chosen to ignore. I'm not obligated to ignore these inconsistencies or whatever purpose lies behind making such threads so thank you but I will stay away from entertaining that. I'm a believer but also a rational person so I will take everything narrated to me with a grain of salt.

And I also think it is time for the skeptics of these forums to join this thread to add some balance to it by sharing their own interpretations about the experience of the OP (or mine ). Because I think that the request of the OP that the skeptics should stay away from this thread and not try to debunk her experience is not reasonable. They may debunk mine too if they wish, I don't mind.

Thank you.

I was trying to make the point that  people are working on different levels of understanding,  and we should be sharing with others especially those who are beginners and trying to understand it better.  Seems like people always start out with a religious or  demonic view when they start out trying to comprehend it and get more frustrated than helped sometimes.

Humility in the way of tolerance and unifying peace are required to attain some of the higher levels. If  you don't have that you get stuck in the the other "astral shells". I can tell you have a good understanding when you said the astral is also a shell, many don't realize that.

The OP may have contradicted herself as you said but then so have you in a way. You alluded that there was no God just AP to her but then you said only Gods knows how many the actual number is?  

I could contradict myself as well if I were relating an experience and my view of it if it happened years ago. How I would understand it now is much different then say when I was 4 years old.  It does not really conflict,  it is perception during that time or place when you didn't have as many experiences to build on.

We all have our experiences and try to understand more about them. Words are not adquate to describe them and everyone uses different words or personifications to describe them. Just like anything else we all have our areas of strengths and weaknesses. I accept friends to PM, doesn't mean I have the same exact  views on everything.

"Are you claiming that it was not AP and everything happened in the physical realm like the OP claims? Or are you claiming that subsequent etherialization into sub-ethereal constituents of human body and shifting of your conciousness in one of them is not possible just because you never attained it?"

I claim nothing because I don't personally know at this moment in time which OP experienced. There could have been physical manifestations with the AP that she experienced while in the body. In that state,  she would have a hard time drawing the line herself to which was really which.    

"seems to be to get people in these forums to admire them for their "religious" experiences and not to hold real discussions about what the experience actually could be. Seems to me it was only meant to seek attention."

I see that too on many forums. Ego takes away from the truth by having a closed mind to understanding what you really experienced. But that same ego has an underlying faith to achieve certain areas of AP and even manifestations at the physical level. Double edged sword each has to learn to balance and interpret for themselves.

I'm glad you posted because I think you have much to offer others too  

Edited by White Unicorn, 28 February 2013 - 12:38 AM.

[XingWi]

White Unicorn, on 28 February 2013 - 12:09 AM, said:

I was trying to make the point that  people are working on different levels of understanding,  and we should be sharing with others especially those who are beginners and trying to understand it better.  Seems like people always start out with a religious or  demonic view when they start out trying to comprehend it and get more frustrated than helped sometimes.

Humility in the way of tolerance and unifying peace are required to attain some of the higher levels. If  you don't have that you get stuck in the the other "astral shells". I can tell you have a good understanding when you said the astral is also a shell, many don't realize that.

You are still lecturing me on humility? Ha Ha! This is unbelievable. Can't you see who is the one displaying self-conceit here? The OP shows tantrums and blocks everyone who tries to explain to her that she could be confusing her experience with physical reality like many other beginers are confused. I mentioned "alien abduction" before just to illustrate this fact. I will be angry if someone invites me to explain a certain experience only to find later that the invitation was meant only for those who agree with her "holy spirit" conviction. That is not conceit. I was indeed here to help when I saw that the thread was receiving no response but turns out the intention of the OP was not to undertand her experience but just to seek re-inforcement for her conviction.

I have formally studied the middle-eastern texts about the astral apart from other interpretations. I can understand, sometimes people equate post-count with knowledge on this website. I do not post here much due to my busy schedule but that doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.

White Unicorn, on 28 February 2013 - 12:09 AM, said:

The OP may have contradicted herself as you said but then so have you in a way. You alluded that there was no God just AP to her but then you said only Gods knows how many the actual number is?  

I could contradict myself as well if I were relating an experience and my view of it if it happened years ago. How I would understand it now is much different then say when I was 4 years old.  It does not really conflict,  it is perception during that time or place when you didn't have as many experiences to build on.

No I haven't contradicted myself. You have misread my statement. I didn't say there is no God, I said there is nothing "divine" or "taken over by the holy spirit" about a silly sleep paralysis episode. And I also said that I can have this experience duplicated by ANYONE in any circumstance. Otherwise I'm a believer in God.

And about the contradictions in the story of Spiritwriter, she has contradicted herself just recently after joining this website in a short period of time so her contradictions cannot be the result of change of perception over a long period of time. Read carefully the title of this thread, it says: "My most intense experience". If this is the most intense experience then it should be etched in her memory more than anything else, yet there are profound inconsistensies in her story. I'm not sure about you but in my opinion, consistency is the most important factor in determining whether the person is a liar/fraud or not. And in this case, in the story of OP, the inconsistensies are too strong to be ignored, for which she has failed to give proper explanations BTW. I know you will continue to support the OP despite her inconsistencies because you are her friend, but I simply don't feel the need to do the same. To me, a liar is a liar and a fraud is a fraud even if they are my friends or from my own religion. And I just don't like liars who seek attention because they give a bad name to all the experiencers. I know my view may seem to you a bit extreme, but you can ask anyone on these forums about the level of inconsistencies in this story and they will tell you the same.

White Unicorn, on 28 February 2013 - 12:09 AM, said:

We all have our experiences and try to understand more about them. Words are not adquate to describe them and everyone uses different words or personifications to describe them. Just like anything else we all have our areas of strengths and weaknesses. I accept friends to PM, doesn't mean I have the same exact  views on everything.

What I was saying was that you have deliberately avoided mentioning "the demons" and "the physical realm" (areas in which you differ with the OP) and overdid the "God experience" part just to support her claims and it was a biased attempt on your part IMO (apart from ignoring her inconsistencies), and such biased interpretations can sometimes lead to misinformation about such experience and new-experiencers reading this will get even more confused. I can understand your passsion to support your friends but confusing other readers especially new-experiencers is not the way of doing that.

White Unicorn, on 28 February 2013 - 12:09 AM, said:

I claim nothing because I don't personally know at this moment in time which OP experienced. There could have been physical manifestations with the AP that she experienced while in the body. In that state,  she would have a hard time drawing the line herself to which was really which.

Yes. That is exactly what I said before but the OP keeps insisting that it was the "holy spirit" that took over her body and lifted it and that they were real "demons" in the physical.

Anyway, I think you have good knowledge too but you must also realize that despite the differences in various of schools of thoughts about astral there are atleast some common views that they share concerning certain experiences that can be used to explain them. And I think, the experience of the OP (if it is not a lie) is one of those.

Thank you for sharing your view.

Edited by XingWi, 28 February 2013 - 06:59 AM.

[XingWi]

SpiritWriter, on 27 February 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

Whatever dude. You already questioned some of those same statements and ive explained them maybe you should read them since you took the time to wonder so much about it..

I was just trying to share my experience I really dont know what your problem is. The light was bright white and the last one took the longest time to destroy.  No its not about attention it is about sharing... dont you think people should share thier experiences? And now you want to get skeptics involved? Why? You want me to feel terrible about what happened to me? You sound like a hater.. you keep saying you wont post here anymore but im not gonna copy and paste how many times.

Im ignoring you from now on. Your tactics are not helpful, for future reference you should know that. You keep questioning whether im christian or not, worry about yourself.

Peace forever, you are on block, I cant hear you...

Ha Ha! Spiritwriter I find it very entertaining the way you assume that the world revolves around you. Do you really think that I'm concerned about your faith when there are millions of liberals already? One more drop in the ocean, should that really worry me? You seem to assume that I'm asking you about your faith everytime I show you things that are incompatible with your own faith, I would have done the same if a Buddhist said he believed in "eternal hell".  So please don't assume that everything is about you.

Yes I didn't want to post again but I was forced to come back to explain my stance when your friends began posting about our humility and pride.

And you assume I'm using "tactics" if I have exposed the inconsistencies in your story? I have done the same with other believers on this website before.

Go ahead sister, block everyone who doesn't agree with you then you will only hear the "truth" that you want to. Peace.

Edited by XingWi, 28 February 2013 - 07:16 AM.

[XingWi]

Brian Topp, on 27 February 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

SpiritWriter, your stories sound a lot like japanese mangas.

Brian, what do you deduce from the inconsistencies in the story of SpiritWriter?

[SpiritWriter]

For the record this posting has nothing to do with ego. It is actually very important to me and something I think about everyday of my life. I was there when it happened so I know what it was. Yes it was demonic and religious how could it not be when there was manifestation of demons in my room and my body possessed with the holy spirit, me praying with light shooting out of me..  I had to block xing wi, i also feel he may have something to offer but he does not talk to me appropriately, nor is he open minded. Maybe i havent gone astral traveling as much as you guys have but that doesnt mean i dont have understanding. Understanding is on many realms and inter-related i have been walking with god for a while, I know I have a long way to go but I also know that so do you and everybody else. God is always working and surprising. I say that to say I dont like being treated like Im dumb. I understand it is about principalities more than anything else. I feel sad that anyone would think this is about ego but i have no control about what others think. I went to the bookstore today and through some synchronistic events they they had a book about the white light that seems pretty good so far.

Peace be blessed 4 now

[mad6]

SpiritWriter,
Many year ago, in the early 90's, I had an experience with light. I was studying religions and meditating daily. My chosen lesson for the day was "love everyone. Its easy to love those who love you. Try to love strangers in your heart and mind" As I was driving to
school that day practicing this exercise on pedestrians and fellow drivers...I experienced a gentle glow of light. It didnt last long. It came from within but I felt as though I glowed for several seconds. It kind of freaked me out for awhile. To this day I have never
been able to duplicate this. I never forgot it though...and know it really happened.

peace