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[the L]

In ancient records such as Kalachakra Tantra and from some texts of Zhang Zhung culture we learn about Shambala. Empire (mythical) hidden in inner Asia. In time it becomes Budhists Pure land which is land where reality is spiritual.
So what do you think does Shamabala describe different state of mind, „land“ that can be only reached trough meditation or even with using some substance (drug)? Could it be that they describe some ancient civilization?
Thanks in advance.

[Time Spy]

the L, on 28 July 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

In ancient records such as Kalachakra Tantra and from some texts of Zhang Zhung culture we learn about Shambala. Empire (mythical) hidden in inner Asia. In time it becomes Budhists Pure land which is land where reality is spiritual.
So what do you think does Shamabala describe different state of mind, „land“ that can be only reached trough meditation or even with using some substance (drug)? Could it be that they describe some ancient civilization?
Thanks in advance.

Respecting lIfe and the land around you while in consideration to spiritual purity, no matter the date in time, comes down to  the health and safety of those you love.  Shambala is a state of mind, whereas such an unusual pnenomenon in balance can be assumed to actually remain for any period in time.  Drugs and natural substances of the earth, often super enhancing the natural state of reality, no matter how bad or good for the individual(s), has nothing to do with mediation on that which is transpiring in the world around us.  Focusing clearly upon that which is really important is apprciatiaing that safety and health if and when it becomes available to you.

[Beany]

I think Lobsang Ramtha? talks about visiting something like Shambala in one of his books. Some of his claims are pretty fantastic, but they make interesting reading.

[White Unicorn]

I interpret Shambala as being  Buddist version of the Hebrew Garden of Eden. There are two one higher or spiritual level and the lower earthly one but both are connected with each other.

[The Puzzler]

As the 14th Dalai Lama noted during the 1985 Kalachakra initiation in Bodhgaya, Shambhala is not an ordinary country:

Although those with special affiliation may actually be able to go there through their karmic connection, nevertheless it is not a physical place that we can actually find. We can only say that it is a pure land, a pure land in the human realm. And unless one has the merit and the actual karmic association, one cannot actually arrive there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shambhala

[Abramelin]

the L, on 28 July 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

In ancient records such as Kalachakra Tantra and from some texts of Zhang Zhung culture we learn about Shambala. Empire (mythical) hidden in inner Asia. In time it becomes Budhists Pure land which is land where reality is spiritual.
So what do you think does Shamabala describe different state of mind, „land“ that can be only reached trough meditation or even with using some substance (drug)? Could it be that they describe some ancient civilization?
Thanks in advance.

http://www.bibliotec...shambahla12.htm

http://www.spiritofm...r3/blovodye.htm

Buy this book: "The Ancient Wisdom" by Geoffrey Ashe, and read about Nicholas Roerich and Belovodiye:

http://www.amazon.co...e/dp/0333198670


I bought the book in a second-hand bookstore, many years ago.

[Abramelin]

Beany, on 29 July 2012 - 03:51 AM, said:

I think Lobsang Ramtha? talks about visiting something like Shambala in one of his books. Some of his claims are pretty fantastic, but they make interesting reading.

The guy was an Englishman claiming to be a reincarnated Lama.

I think we can safely skip anything he fabricated. What he wrote about was based on what he had read, not what he had personally experienced in that 'past lifetime'.

[the L]

Abramelin, on 29 July 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

http://www.bibliotec...shambahla12.htm

http://www.spiritofm...r3/blovodye.htm

Buy this book: "The Ancient Wisdom" by Geoffrey Ashe, and read about Nicholas Roerich and Belovodiye:

http://www.amazon.co...e/dp/0333198670


I bought the book in a second-hand bookstore, many years ago.

232 pages. Can you sum it for us even I could understand it. if memory still serve you.

Edited by the L, 29 July 2012 - 07:54 PM.

[Abramelin]

I don't do 'summaries' of books.

If you are really interested, you buy or borrow the book.

[Danten]

If we are questioning its existence, then it does exist.  Play Uncharted 2 and it's through a secret entrance in an ancient temple in Tibet.  Simple enough I think.

[Helen of Annoy]

the L, on 29 July 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

232 pages. Can you sum it for us even I could understand it. if memory still serve you.

Short, sweet and in Croatian:

http://hr.scribd.com...tnika-Svjetlost

sums the whole “Roerich found Belovodiye” thing up in few pages.
Apparently, Slavic Shambala is in Tibet and great white pyramid (that you can’t see on Google Earth) marks it. According to that logic, maybe South Slavic Shambala is in Visoko, at least you can see that pyramid, whether it’s a pyramid or not.
(Beware of Russian mysticism, sooner or later its nationalist side pops up and scares the unorthodox bejesus out of you.)

Shambala, or Belovodiye, is a state more than a place, according to my own belief. A state of mind you can’t keep until the world goes in that direction too or you go batshit crazy and stop paying attention to material reality in which we live at the moment.

Back to Roerich, I think his paintings speak more of his own Belovodiye than his writings, such things sound hollow and fake when you write about them but they can inspire some kickass surrealist art.
(Looks like old icons, folk naive painting and comic book style collided while author was on shrooms. Definitely would hang one of those in my living room if they weren’t so damn expensive. And I hate prints.)

[Abramelin]

Hi Helen, thanks for the Scribd doc. I wasn't really 'in the mood' to do a summary of a book I have, and read almost 20 years ago.

But if you (not you; English, ggrrr) are a bit on a spiritual trip, Ashe's book is a nice read.

Off topic: Helen, you once translated the "Book of Veles" on my request, and you did a great job, and I again thank you for taking all that trouble.

But are you ok if I use your posts/translations from the "The Book of Veles" thread to create a blog (on Blogger,com) about it? I'll mention your (user)name of course

My plan was to use everything you posted, even when you said you had a 'headache' or something, lol.

Your work (because that's what it was) is the only available translation into English.



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Edited by Abramelin, 31 July 2012 - 04:39 PM.

[Helen of Annoy]

Abramelin, on 31 July 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

Hi Helen, thanks for the Scribd doc. I wasn't really 'in the mood' to do a summary of a book I have, and read almost 20 years ago.

But if you (not you; English, ggrrr) are a bit on a spiritual trip, Ashe's book is a nice read.

Off topic: Helen, you once translated the "Book of Veles" on my request, and you did a great job, and I again thank you for taking all that trouble.

But are you ok if I use your posts/translations from the "The Book of Veles" thread to create a blog (on Blogger,com) about it? I'll mention your (user)name of course

My plan was to use everything you posted, even when you said you had a 'headache' or something, lol.

Your work (because that's what it was) is the only available translation into English.



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Absolutely, use it, complete with headaches if you will , you have my blessing   Only that translation is very, very rough draft, and I still haven’t got into phase of polishing it and adding shitload of remarks and footnotes that text begs for. It is a fake, but very interesting fake with a lot of authentic bits and pieces that must be preserved.

[Abramelin]

OK, and thanks again.

No need for 'polishing', it all looks ok to me. The extra 'personal bits' makes it more of a struggle, lol. I like that.

At least - and for the first time - we have a translation into English.

Mind you, there was none up to the moment you started translating.

[Abramelin]

Here it is:

http://bookofveles.blogspot.nl/

It needs a bit of cleaning up, but you won't believe it: at the moment I tried to create the blog, one of your countrymen, drunk, was yelling into my ears, lol.