Cryptids That May Actually Be E.T.s

[RobertaStack]

I was reading this article about whether specific incidents indicate an encounter is with a cryptid or alien. Of course, more information would be desperately needed in each situation to make a judgment call but these encounters do tend to smack more of the stereotypical extraterrestrial experience than dealings with animals. I don't even think the Flatwoods Monster was organic. It seems more like a machine.

Edited August 11, 2015 by RobertaStack

[Mr.United_Nations]

read this, most if not all cryptos came from story telling thats passed down generation after generation, or real life animals that look weird.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=284168

[+DieChecker]

I think that a lot of the one off monsters, like the Loveland Frog, Flatwoods Monster, Mothman.... all could be ET in origin. If a monster originated here on Earth, it would require somewhere to have come from, right? A mommy and daddy monster? Since we don't see populations of many monster/cryptids, it is logical that they came from somewhere else, or were created/mutated.

[RobertaStack]

I've heard theories that the Dover Demon was an escaped army experiment but I'm not sure I buy into that. If witnesses are to be believed, I'd say that these feel like cases of extraterrestrial or possibly extradimensional beings.

[Podo]

I think that a lot of the one off monsters, like the Loveland Frog, Flatwoods Monster, Mothman.... all could be ET in origin. If a monster originated here on Earth, it would require somewhere to have come from, right? A mommy and daddy monster? Since we don't see populations of many monster/cryptids, it is logical that they came from somewhere else, or were created/mutated.

Wouldn't it be more logical to consider that they were the product of stress, pareidolia, and overactive imaginations before assuming that they are ETs?

[Anomalocaris]

Well, Bigfoot could be Chewbacca

[Realm of Unknown]

I've heard some people say that paranormal stuff is the same way. Like things such as Shadow People or Angels are merely extraterrestrial or inter-dimensional beings.

[RobertaStack]

Wouldn't it be more logical to consider that they were the product of stress, pareidolia, and overactive imaginations before assuming that they are ETs?

A shared stress-induced hallucination among several unrelated witnesses in the case of the Dover Demon? A shared mass stress-induced hallucination in the case of the Flatwoods Monster? I'm more skeptical about the Mantis Man and I think a lot of the Moth Man stuff could be simply copy cats and overactive imagination. The rest involve multiple witnesses backing up the events. A shared hallucination sounds just as crazy as an extraterrestrial.

[Podo]

A shared stress-induced hallucination among several unrelated witnesses in the case of the Dover Demon? A shared mass stress-induced hallucination in the case of the Flatwoods Monster? I'm more skeptical about the Mantis Man and I think a lot of the Moth Man stuff could be simply copy cats and overactive imagination. The rest involve multiple witnesses backing up the events. A shared hallucination sounds just as crazy as an extraterrestrial.

I think that a better conclusion is a shared hallucination, yeah, since we know hallucinations are real, and we don't know if ETs are. I'm not ruling out ETs, I'm saying that hallucinations are a safer bet, considering we don't really have any evidence supporting them being ETs. As such, speculation on these critters is really just that: speculation. Now, I don't know much about the Flatwoods Monster so I won't speak to it, but with the Dover Demon, it exhibits common traits that are known objects of terror in humans, such as pale skin, big eyes, and big heads. That it shares things that we seem to, as a species, be universally afraid of lends itself to being some kind of commonly-achieved mental image when presented with a series of like stimuli, which in this case would have been whatever it was that the witnesses ACTUALLY saw.

But, again, none of this is anything other than speculation because there is no evidence one way or another for these particular cases. Nothing conclusive, at any rate.

[RobertaStack]

I think that a better conclusion is a shared hallucination, yeah, since we know hallucinations are real, and we don't know if ETs are. I'm not ruling out ETs, I'm saying that hallucinations are a safer bet, considering we don't really have any evidence supporting them being ETs. As such, speculation on these critters is really just that: speculation. Now, I don't know much about the Flatwoods Monster so I won't speak to it, but with the Dover Demon, it exhibits common traits that are known objects of terror in humans, such as pale skin, big eyes, and big heads. That it shares things that we seem to, as a species, be universally afraid of lends itself to being some kind of commonly-achieved mental image when presented with a series of like stimuli, which in this case would have been whatever it was that the witnesses ACTUALLY saw.

But, again, none of this is anything other than speculation because there is no evidence one way or another for these particular cases. Nothing conclusive, at any rate.

I understand that the rule of the skeptic is that proof is required or it doesn't exist and I respect that. I think such thinking has saved the human race a ton of money and effort and I'm glad skeptics are out there bringing a weighted balance to such incidents. But the concept of shared dreams of such a specific nature has as much concrete evidence as foreign visitors not of the human race. I can understand misidentification in the case of the Dover Demon and maybe misidentification is what you mean and I'm misunderstanding you. Some have posited that the unrelated witnesses of the Dover Demon saw a newborn moose and their minds processed the strange sight as some sort of alien or mutant creature. I could see that for sure. But I'm just as astounded by the idea of unrelated witnesses seeing the same diminutive, white Golem creature as a shared stress hallucination as I would be had they seen an extraterrestrial.

[Podo]

I understand that the rule of the skeptic is that proof is required or it doesn't exist and I respect that. I think such thinking has saved the human race a ton of money and effort and I'm glad skeptics are out there bringing a weighted balance to such incidents. But the concept of shared dreams of such a specific nature has as much concrete evidence as foreign visitors not of the human race. I can understand misidentification in the case of the Dover Demon and maybe misidentification is what you mean and I'm misunderstanding you. Some have posited that the unrelated witnesses of the Dover Demon saw a newborn moose and their minds processed the strange sight as some sort of alien or mutant creature. I could see that for sure. But I'm just as astounded by the idea of unrelated witnesses seeing the same diminutive, white Golem creature as a shared stress hallucination as I would be had they seen an extraterrestrial.

Misidentification is what I was aiming for, yes. I'm sure these people saw SOMETHING, I just think they were scared, or it was dark, or [insert any other factor here], and it messed with their perceptions. I'm Canadian and have seen plenty of baby moose in my time, and their heads are huge, bald, and they have gigantic eyes, so it seems a legitimate explanation. Potentially, anyway. As for hallucinations, there are many documented cases for mass hallucinations and mass hysteria, so I argue that it is NOT just as likely as ETs visiting Earth. We have observed and recorded such hallucinatory and hysterical phenomenon on many occasions, while there is no solid evidence for ETs ever visiting this planet. Life elsewhere in the universe is almost a sure thing, but unfortunately there is just no reason to believe they've ever been to Earth.

[+DieChecker]

Wouldn't it be more logical to consider that they were the product of stress, pareidolia, and overactive imaginations before assuming that they are ETs?

Yeah, given all mundane explanations are excluded, I think aliens is more likely then one off mutant.

[+DieChecker]

I've heard some people say that paranormal stuff is the same way. Like things such as Shadow People or Angels are merely extraterrestrial or inter-dimensional beings.

The converse is also true. All aliens, bigfoots, shadow people, faeries, ghosts and whatnot could be Abrahamic demons.

[RobertaStack]

Misidentification is what I was aiming for, yes. I'm sure these people saw SOMETHING, I just think they were scared, or it was dark, or [insert any other factor here], and it messed with their perceptions. I'm Canadian and have seen plenty of baby moose in my time, and their heads are huge, bald, and they have gigantic eyes, so it seems a legitimate explanation. Potentially, anyway. As for hallucinations, there are many documented cases for mass hallucinations and mass hysteria, so I argue that it is NOT just as likely as ETs visiting Earth. We have observed and recorded such hallucinatory and hysterical phenomenon on many occasions, while there is no solid evidence for ETs ever visiting this planet. Life elsewhere in the universe is almost a sure thing, but unfortunately there is just no reason to believe they've ever been to Earth.

Thanks for clarifying. I haven't heard of any hard evidence of a shared hallucination. Can you provide an example? I believe you, I'm just curious because it sounds interesting.

[Podo]

Thanks for clarifying. I haven't heard of any hard evidence of a shared hallucination. Can you provide an example? I believe you, I'm just curious because it sounds interesting.

Shared hallucinations fall under the umbrella term Mass Hysteria. The UFO Boston scare is an example, as are all these other ones on Wikipedia. There are also more discussions and examples of it here.

[PrisonerX]

Hopkinsville goblin case intrigues me. If the story is legit, I don't see why anyone would take them for cryptids. To me, they seem almost certainly extraterrestrial in nature.

Fun Fact: The above character ^^ Sableye (Pokemon), is based on that case.

Edited August 13, 2015 by PrisonerX

[+DieChecker]

Hopkinsville goblin case intrigues me. If the story is legit, I don't see why anyone would take them for cryptids. To me, they seem almost certainly extraterrestrial in nature.

Fun Fact: The above character ^^ Sableye (Pokemon), is based on that case.

I think the fact they called them goblins, and that the description exactly matches medieval descriptions of goblins, leads directly to them being a cryptozoological entity.

[PrisonerX]

I think the fact they called them goblins, and that the description exactly matches medieval descriptions of goblins, leads directly to them being a cryptozoological entity.

So in spite of all the other information given that indicates they're ET, you'd go with Cryptids because the word 'goblin' was used?

EDIT: Forgive me, I overlooked the part about their description matching that of medieval stories. I'd appreciate if you could link/share these stories with me, as I'm interested to compare.

Edited August 14, 2015 by PrisonerX

[Podo]

So in spite of all the other information given that indicates they're ET, you'd go with Cryptids because the word 'goblin' was used?

EDIT: Forgive me, I overlooked the part about their description matching that of medieval stories. I'd appreciate if you could link/share these stories with me, as I'm interested to compare.

This encounter seems very UFO-ish to me, since lights in the sky were seen by the family before and after, and the things seemed to be intelligent.

[+DieChecker]

So in spite of all the other information given that indicates they're ET, you'd go with Cryptids because the word 'goblin' was used?

Actually they could be either. I think that is the entire point of this thread. That many, if not most, if not all, alien reports could just as easily be some terrestrial creature.

EDIT: Forgive me, I overlooked the part about their description matching that of medieval stories. I'd appreciate if you could link/share these stories with me, as I'm interested to compare.

My internet kung fu has failed me. But pointed ears. Short stature, big eyes, long arms... all go back to medieval goblins.

[Rlyeh]

This encounter seems very UFO-ish to me, since lights in the sky were seen by the family before and after, and the things seemed to be intelligent.

From what I read the original report only mentions a shooting star, later retellings of the story has the UFO landing bit. Edited August 15, 2015 by Rlyeh

[PrisonerX]

Actually they could be either. I think that is the entire point of this thread. That many, if not most, if not all, alien reports could just as easily be some terrestrial creature.

My internet kung fu has failed me. But pointed ears. Short stature, big eyes, long arms... all go back to medieval goblins.

So you can't provide any material that supports your claim that these 'goblins' were reported in medieval times?

[+DieChecker]

So you can't provide any material that supports your claim that these 'goblins' were reported in medieval times?

It is completely true that goblins is just another name for demons, faeries, gnomes and whatnot, and that many of those were short, green, and had pointed ears. How is that so hard to understand? You want a college dissertation to prove some point on a internet forum?

[PrisonerX]

It is completely true that goblins is just another name for demons, faeries, gnomes and whatnot, and that many of those were short, green, and had pointed ears. How is that so hard to understand? You want a college dissertation to prove some point on a internet forum?

No, I'm simply not familiar with any 'goblin' stories from medieval times that bear resemblance to the Hopkinsville case in particular. I was hoping, since you claimed knowledge of some, that you could share them so I could read and increase my chances of drawing a more accurate conclusion on the matter.

Your apparent impatience and deflection leads me to believe there will be no chance of that happening though.

Edited August 16, 2015 by PrisonerX

[+DieChecker]

No, I'm simply not familiar with any 'goblin' stories from medieval times that bear resemblance to the Hopkinsville case in particular. I was hoping, since you claimed knowledge of some, that you could share them so I could read and increase my chances of drawing a more accurate conclusion on the matter.

Your apparent impatience and deflection leads me to believe there will be no chance of that happening though.

Most of my knowledge on goblins comes from a mis-spent youth reading books and playing Dungeons and Dragons. But, even before I played D&D, I read many books on mythology, folklore and the supernatural. I drew pictures of mythological monsters all the time. I couldn't get enough of them. BUT... I have tried to research this online, and I have failed. I know very much that I've seen descriptions of "little people" that very much resemble the Hopkinsville goblins. But I can't find any pictures online that are not modern in origin, and basically only a image will do at this point.

I did find several images that are called "demons" which are an OK match, and goblin is sometimes used to refer to demons, but in many of those pictures I did find, there are other goblins, which look completely different. So, I discarded those also.

So all you have is my opinion, based on my memory, at this point.