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#1    JayRob303

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Posted 02 July 2005 - 07:38 AM

My question to you is, did Joseph and Mary have more children after Mary was blessed with giving birth to the Son of God.  

They were married, and it wasn't traditional for their times to only have 1 child.

If so, that could mean that there is a bloodline of Jesus possibly still in existance today...right?

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Posted 02 July 2005 - 07:40 AM

They had more children.  I believe James was Jesus' brother, and He had a couple other brothers and sisters.  So technically it's a maybe, because they could've died out somewhere.


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Posted 02 July 2005 - 08:01 AM

Yeah, there is a mention of James being Jesus' brother.  But there is no real hard evidence to suggest either way.  Personally I believe they would have had children.

The teachings of the Catholic church (from what I understand at least) maintains Mary remained a virgin.

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Posted 02 July 2005 - 08:06 AM

I personally find that very hard to believe.  To me, it would seem that a married couple would continue to 'propogate'.

If not...poor Joseph...

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Posted 02 July 2005 - 11:17 AM

No, Mary had more kids.


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Posted 03 July 2005 - 03:13 AM

First to show that Mary did not remain a virgin:

(MATTHEW 1:25) And knew her not till she had brought forth her
firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. (KJV)

Knew her not "TILL", Which means Joseph physically knew Mary or had sex with Mary after Jesus was born.

BUT, Jesus is not the son of Joseph. So no blood line between the other children and Jesus. Christ's line did not go on. Mary and Joseph's line went on.

That is why Matthew 1:25 shows Joseph knew her not till she brought forth her FIRSTBORN Son, and he called His name Jesus. To show Jesus is the First born. To show Joseph knew Mary afterwards. So the Other sons Mary had would not be considered Virgin born. To Single out Jesus as the promised Messiah from the rest of the Children.

(MATTHEW 13:55) Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother
called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and
Judas? (KJV)
(MATTHEW 13:56) And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence
then hath this man all these things? (KJV)

Remember also that Joseph took Mary to be taxed, He did not take his Children and Mary. Jospeh being an old man with Children is a made up story to account for the others and keep Mary a Virgin. Sorry, the "TILL" shows she did not stay a virgin.

(LUKE 2:3) And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city. (KJV)
(LUKE 2:4) And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of
Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called
Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:) (KJV)
(LUKE 2:5) To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great
with child. (KJV)


Also: Mary does not have to be of the House of David. The Child does. He can be the First begotten of the dead at Bethlehem. For the promises spoken of by God in the Old Testament are seen to be fulfilled by Jesus. So Jesus is the Son of David God was speaking of.

The prophecies in the old Testament, the Fulfillment in Christ is what links David to Jesus. Mary is the Surrogate Mother.

(REVELATION 1:5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful
witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the
kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our
sins in his own blood, (KJV)


Jesus told Martha "I am the Resurrection." before going to the cross."

Jesus went tot he cross as a King (Psalms 2:6/7) The Body of Christ with us in that Body is what is "This day have I begotten Thee.", As the Body of Christ is born at Golgotha.

And Jesus told the Disciples He was going to leave the Earth and go to the Father AGAIN before He went to the cross. So He had already died once on earth. Which opened up the First begotten of the dead at Bethlehem.

(JOHN 16:28) I came forth from the Father, and am come into the
world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. (KJV)

David got the promise from God that his son would be raised to be the Son of God. a promise God swore in His Holiness not to alter. and not to lie unto David. The next son born unto David (present sons do not fit the promise. "shall proceed from the bowels is a future event") was born to Bathsheba outside wedlock, She was still married to Uriah the Hittite.

Jesus comes in the volume of the book:

(PSALMS 51:5) Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my
mother conceive me. (KJV)

(EZEKIEL 16:3) And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy
birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an
Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite. (KJV)

(2SAMUEL 11:3) And David sent and inquired after the woman. And one
said, Is not this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of
Uriah the Hittite? (KJV)
(2SAMUEL 11:4) And David sent messengers, and took her; and she
came in unto him, and he lay with her; for she was purified from
her uncleanness: and she returned unto her house. (KJV)
(2SAMUEL 11:5) And the woman conceived, and sent and told David,
and said, I am with child. (KJV)

God sent a prophet to David with a parable. A parable of a man who takes a poor man's sheep to prepare for the WAYFARING man who had come unto him. When he had many sheep of his own. David already had many wives.

(2SAMUEL 12:4) And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he
spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for
the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's
lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him. (KJV)

(JEREMIAH 14:8) O the hope of Israel, the saviour thereof in time
of trouble, why shouldest thou be as a stranger in the land, and as
a wayfaring man that turneth aside to tarry for a night? (KJV)

The promise of the Messiah is the wayfaring man who has come unto David. And David took Bathsheba and prepared for Him.

Remember the Potters vessel, It was marred, and the same lump of clay was made over.

(JEREMIAH 18:4) And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in
the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as
seemed good to the potter to make it. (KJV)

Deuteronomy 23:2 shows a child born outside wedlock can not enter the congregation even till His tenth generation. God used a 100 year generation in referring to egypt, David and Bathsheba had the child in about 1004 bc. Mary gave birth in about 4 bc to Jesus. 10 100-year generations.

God said in the end of Malachi as He stops speaking that He would send Elijah, then 400 silent  years, or 10 40 year generations.  God doubles that which He has established, then brings it to pass.

The Child died 7 days after birth. All children go to God, So who God foreknew, for 1,000 years that is. He did predestine to conform to the image of His Son, Born of a Virgin, Born in Bethlehem. Born in 4 bc.

The wise men knew the promise to David, they knew it would be the Child that died, they knew it had to be 1,000 years, and they knew the SIGN or STAR was the Brightness of the Moon. and they knew what to bring, and who should come.

They were Bible students. Not astrologers.

(ISAIAH 60:22) A little one shall become a thousand, and a small
one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time. (KJV)

1004 bc to 4 bc, Right on time.

(ISAIAH 60:1) Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of
the Lord is risen upon thee. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 60:2) For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and
gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and
his glory shall be seen upon thee. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 60:3) And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings
to the brightness of thy rising. (KJV)

"We three kings"

(ISAIAH 60:4) Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they
gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come
from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. (KJV)

"You will find Him lying in a manger" because there are other babies there.

(ISAIAH 60:5) Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine
heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea
shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come
unto thee. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 60:6) The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the
dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come:
they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the
praises of the Lord. (KJV)


Gold and Incense. Now do you see how they knew what to bring. Isaiah told them, and He told who should come.

(ISAIAH 60:19) The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither
for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord
shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory. (KJV)

Stars are for signs and the Sign is the brightness of the moon.

God hid the moon for a reason, He wanted them to go to Jerusalem, and they thought that was where they were to go anyway. For That is where He is recorded as Born. But He was born there 1,000 years ago.

(PSALMS 87:4) I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon to them that
know me: behold Philistia, and Tyre, with Ethiopia; this man was
born there. (KJV)
(PSALMS 87:5) And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was
born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her. (KJV)
(PSALMS 87:6) The Lord shall count, when he writeth up the people,
that this man was born there. Selah. (KJV)

The Child is born there to David and Bathsheba, and the Body of Christ is born there the day of the cross, as Psalms 2:6/7 shows, and so it is written. And so they came to Jerusalem and said "Where is He who is born King of the Jews?"

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Posted 03 July 2005 - 09:58 PM

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Yeah, there is a mention of James being Jesus' brother. But there is no real hard evidence to suggest either way.

Does anyone else see the humor here?


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Posted 04 July 2005 - 12:01 AM

iv heard of James but thats it.


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Posted 04 July 2005 - 03:04 AM

Shandar5.

I see you seeing humor there. There is no HARD EVIDENCE Jesus was conceived in Mary. He was implanted without any HARD EVIDENCE.

I have some Vet experience, I have dealt with sick puppies before.

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 03:51 PM

QUOTE(shandar5 @ Jul 4 2005, 07:58 AM)
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Yeah, there is a mention of James being Jesus' brother. But there is no real hard evidence to suggest either way.

Does anyone else see the humor here?

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I see what you mean, perhaps I wasn't as clear as I should have been  tongue.gif   What I should have said was that the "James, brother of Jesus" reference was rather obscure, and may not literally refer to Jesus as in Jesus the Son of God, the man crucified in approximately AD33, for claiming to be the King of the Jews.

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Posted 07 July 2005 - 03:30 AM

Where in the bible does it say "Mary, the Mother of Jesus, had other children."?  No where. You assume Mary had other children because of english translations from the original greek that because the word "till" and brothers" are used that Mary had other children.
Some early church writings taught Joseph was a very old man when he married Mary. And...was married  once before, but his 1st wife died. So these brothers could have very well have been Christ's step-brothers from Joseph's 1st marriage.
  Here's another therory. In hebrew they used the same word for "brother as they do for "cousins, members of the same village, and of course brother. Naturally the greek speaking Hebrews did the same thing while writing the gospels. Which is why we have so many biblical conflictions with scripture.
  And why does Jesus, while hanging on the cross, tell John to take Mary into his care? Jn 19:27 (don't forget about jewish customs and family values here.) Why can't the "brothers of Jesus" take care of their own mother? Is Jesus mad at them perhaps for not showing up at his own death! There have been times when I was pissed at my brother but I wouldn't trust the care of my mother to a pal instead of my own brother. I don't think Christ would either.



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Posted 10 July 2005 - 04:23 AM

QUOTE(Peako @ Jul 3 2005, 07:01 PM)
iv heard of James but thats it.

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im not sure about this, but Jude may have been related. im assuming it is somewhere in the ECF's writings.


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