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#1    The Religious Hoax

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Posted 15 April 2011 - 05:17 PM

http://www.themissin...com/index.xhtml

This books is recommended by Dr. Haisch from www.ufoskeptic.com.  I am ordering this ASAP, as it appears to be the only scholarly book dealing with the media being in collusion with our intelligence agencies regarding it's treatment of the ETH.  I am a bit hesitant to read this after I saw the reviews.  Nearly every reviewer of this book became enraged by the uncovered lies and half-truths.  

Segments in this book deal with the Malmstrom AFB incident, but the author isn't trying to make you believe in the ETH.  It is supposedly more of an examination of how unseen forces dictate the MSM.


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Posted 15 April 2011 - 07:32 PM

This press conference about UFOs over Washington DC in 1952 was the biggest since World War II, but Gen. Samford wasn't telling the entire truth.  They weren't the result of temperature invesions and there were certain patterns to their behavior--especially interest in nuclear facilities:



This column by Bill Henry, a well known jounalist of the era, just said that the military didn't know what the saucers were but was really trying to find out--and was ready to shoot them down if necessary:

http://www.roswellpr....html#anchor_11


And here are a number of newspapers from July 29, 1952, reporting that Truman had ordered the Air Force to "shoot them down":

http://www.roswellpr..._INS_72952.html


There are no media reports like these nowadays, even though we know the saucers haven't gove away.

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Posted 15 April 2011 - 07:57 PM

According to the Air Force's own studies, the Washington DC UFOs of 1952 were not the result of temperature inversions as Gen. Samford claimed.  They went even further and said that temperature invesions had NEVER caused UFO reports.

http://books.google....nscript&f=false

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 04:19 PM

So I have finally started reading this (just finished up James Ellroy's LA quartet, best fiction ever).

Apparently there are OVERT CIA liasions to all MSM outlets that help craft MSM's message (or lack of) regarding the ETH.  You can read the first few pages of this book on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.co...w_d_detail?pd=1

I'll post more thoughts/reviews as I plod through this book.  So far so good.  The author is well educated, and this book is very scholarly with works cited and lots of good research :)

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Posted 10 June 2011 - 07:11 PM

Near the end of the first chapter, Mr. Hansen draws an interesting comparison of science's treatment to ETH/FTL by comparing science's reaction to the Wright Brother's first flight.  The leading science journal at the time was 'Scientific American'.  It took over 5 years for that publication to recognize that 'heavier than air flight' was indeed possible, and to give due credit to the Wright Brothers.

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 04:25 PM

This book's content is maddening.  At one time in the 60's, there were over 200 CIA agents working within the MSM.  Any articles published by MSM regarding the ETH should be promptly disregarded:

http://danwismar.com...A and Media.htm

The more I read this book, the less I take the MSM seriously.  The notion that we have a free press is looking more and more like a farce.  If you are looking for the truth about ETH, you won't find it in the MSM, PERIOD.


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Posted 29 June 2011 - 05:33 PM

So I am through about the first half of the book.  Much to my surprise, the first couple hundred pages only dealt with historical events (such as WWI, WWII & Vietnam) and showed how these campaigns were influenced by by the CIA and federal government, and how the MSM bought in to every lie, and helped further a secret agenda.  There is no mention of UFO's or ETH for a good portion of this book.  This author is using historical events as a guide to formulating his theory of media complicity in the coverup of UFO's, and he does it in a very scholarly and convincing fashion.

Towards the end of this first section of the book, Dr. Hansen gives us a more recent example of complicit behavior by the media to help further the agenda of the Pentagon & CIA.  Here is an excellent write up on the lies that we were all told in order to persuade us to support the Persian Gulf War in Iraq:

http://www.represent...sAboutIraq.html

The next part of the book is going to build a model on how the CIA would most likely treat the ETH as an issue affecting national security.  He will use the disinformation that has been released by the intelligence community as a sort of barometer to gauge whether or not what was reported on by the MSM resembles similar tactics used in the past.


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Posted 30 June 2011 - 05:15 AM

View PostThe Religious Hoax, on 10 June 2011 - 07:11 PM, said:

Near the end of the first chapter, Mr. Hansen draws an interesting comparison of science's treatment to ETH/FTL by comparing science's reaction to the Wright Brother's first flight.  The leading science journal at the time was 'Scientific American'.  It took over 5 years for that publication to recognize that 'heavier than air flight' was indeed possible, and to give due credit to the Wright Brothers.

The Wright brothers used the work from other scientists to accomplish their final result. One scientist, who was buoyed by the media (Lord Kelvin) was the most outspoken critic, but everyone dismisses the large role that the media played in this role. Flight models had been toyed with since the days of Da Vinci and earlier. It was their (Wright Brothers) invention of three-axis control that made the plane workable. In 1900 for example, Wilhelm Kress developed the stick control for aircraft but did not apply for a patent. His aircraft, the Drachenflieger, was constructed for water takeoff and made a first successful attempt (it was not a controlled flight like the one of the Wright brothers in 1903, but more or less larger 'hops') in 1901 at the Wienerwaldsee near Vienna. A controlled longer flight was not possible because the engine (made by Daimler) was twice as heavy as Kress had specified in his order, and could be operated only at half of its nominal power output. During one of his attempts at flight taking off from water, his plane was destroyed when it became entangled on debris floating in the lake.
I am sure I have seen Stanton Friedman use the same analogy. It is inaccurate the way it is conveyed.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 02:11 PM

Thanks for the history lesson Psyche!  Good stuff!   I think the point Terry Hansen is trying to make is that 'heavier than air' flight was largely regarded as impossible due to the technological times we lived in back then.  The points you raised further bolster this.   So many people had tried to achieve flight going back hundreds of years.  Just like ETH/FTL, many people put forth false claims of finally having reached the heavens through flight, but were all hoaxes.  The repeated failed attempts by those you mentioned were probably pretty discouraging to the science community, and only reinforced the perception that flight wasn't possible.  

The MSM and scientific community were  simply not prepared to adjust their theories and realities to this breakthrough the Wright Brothers achieved.  It changed everything, and was very much a disruptive technological advacement.  

Eventually their achievement was lauded and praised, it just took 5 years for the MSM and science community to adjust.  There are some definite correlations we could make to FTL and interstellar travel :)


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Posted 30 June 2011 - 02:25 PM

View PostThe Religious Hoax, on 30 June 2011 - 02:11 PM, said:

Thanks for the history lesson Psyche!  Good stuff!   I think the point Terry Hansen is trying to make is that 'heavier than air' flight was largely regarded as impossible due to the technological times we lived in back then.  The points you raised further bolster this.   So many people had tried to achieve flight going back hundreds of years.  Just like ETH/FTL, many people put forth false claims of finally having reached the heavens through flight, but were all hoaxes.  The repeated failed attempts by those you mentioned were probably pretty discouraging to the science community, and only reinforced the perception that flight wasn't possible.  

The MSM and scientific community were  simply not prepared to adjust their theories and realities to this breakthrough the Wright Brothers achieved.  It changed everything, and was very much a disruptive technological advacement.  

Eventually their achievement was lauded and praised, it just took 5 years for the MSM and science community to adjust.  There are some definite correlations we could make to FTL and interstellar travel :)


Hey TRH, I did see the point you were making and can see the correlation you mention.

sounds an interesting book...did the analogy come from the book?


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Posted 30 June 2011 - 04:28 PM

Yes, it came from chapter one I believe.


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Posted 30 June 2011 - 04:39 PM

View PostThe Religious Hoax, on 30 June 2011 - 04:28 PM, said:

Yes, it came from chapter one I believe.


ok thank you. Be good to hear your final thoughts upon completion of the book.  :tu:


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Posted 30 June 2011 - 05:42 PM

TRH, this isn't meant to be off topic, and I think you might enjoy this article (Kind of parallels what you are saying this book is about).  

I take it with a grain of salt considering the source...BUT...it does make some interesting points and cannot be so easily disregarded in total.  If you stop and think about some of the examples it gives, you almost have to acknowledge the vague possibility that some truth is probably included in it...

Enjoy...

http://rense.com/general78/believe.htm


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Posted 30 June 2011 - 07:22 PM

View PostDamrod, on 30 June 2011 - 05:42 PM, said:

TRH, this isn't meant to be off topic, and I think you might enjoy this article (Kind of parallels what you are saying this book is about).  

I take it with a grain of salt considering the source...BUT...it does make some interesting points and cannot be so easily disregarded in total.  If you stop and think about some of the examples it gives, you almost have to acknowledge the vague possibility that some truth is probably included in it...

Enjoy...

http://rense.com/general78/believe.htm

Wow Damrod!   That is one of the most enlightening articles I've ever read.  Thank you so much for sharing.  

This was very much on topic too, Terry Hansen makes numerous references to Bernays.  

Again, thanks!


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Posted 30 June 2011 - 08:35 PM

View PostThe Religious Hoax, on 30 June 2011 - 07:22 PM, said:

Wow Damrod!   That is one of the most enlightening articles I've ever read.  Thank you so much for sharing.  

This was very much on topic too, Terry Hansen makes numerous references to Bernays.  

Again, thanks!


You are welcome.  Here's a couple of Youtubes to pass along with the article...





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