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#16    redhen

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 11:21 PM

"Asked what he would say if God appeared to him after his death and demanded to know why he had failed to believe, the British philosopher and staunch evidentialist Bertrand Russell replied that he would say, 'Not enough evidence, God! Not enough evidence.'


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 11:26 PM

View PostArbenol68, on 01 July 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

That's the whole "No atheists in foxholes" argument. It's been shown not to be universal.

But, it's not really surprising. When faced with desperate situations people will often go through similar stages of thought to the grief process. Disbelief, anger, bargaining and finally acceptance. This is part of the bargaining stage. It's not really that surprising.

But the only thing it tells me, is that when faced with a desperate or life threatening situation, we're more likely to grasp at irrational straws in a last ditch attempt to save ourselves.

Well for me the clarity is not so certain about the conclusions regarding the irrationality of the individuals concerned as not all Atheists are by choice or even of sound of mind in some cases, god is not a menu choice and its not an equation one can prove nor negate by default with logic, the behavior of the pious or religious should not be the definition of god nor god be held responsible for the bad behaviors of humankind ...

Some hold the position of that if god is such and such then such and such proves god doesn't exist or even worse god is bad and is useless, that makes one greater or is held to be of a higher status than god which in effect and by default proves the fallacy of the logical conclusions.

God is not for understanding ... God is for accepting, if one does not accept GOd it does not mean the nonexistence of GOd,
mankind's failure is mankind's own and due to no one not even a devil as is mankind's own short comings.
God does not fail ... Devil never succeeds ... it is all due to mankind ... and that is all mankind has to answer for ... not to judge whether GOd did a good job or not,
So what is the point of a GOd ?
NOthing really ... at least not within the jurisprudence of a single man woman or child ... in terms of eternity and all ... God's plan goes on as it ever had since the point of beginning ... whether mankind is along for the ride and how long is entirely up to mankind ...

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 11:32 PM

The god some of you people describe is no better than the worst dictators in human history.  A man wou think's it's his right to have people bow to him.  To kneel before him and give him their unconditional faith.  If you don't give him love and respect, you will be condemned to a life of servitude in hell.  He will also condemn Homosexuals and sinners.  Let's not forget what sins are, Lust (wanting to be with the person you love, aka your wife.  Even religious people have families.), Greed (wanting something), Pride (you are never proud of your family or accomplishments) need I go on?, Gluttony, Envy, Sloth, Wrath.  

Those seven 'sins' as people call them are the foundation of the Human condition.  You hate gays?  Guess what sin that is....Wrath.

The so called seven sins that will condemn you to hell describe every single human being with a heart & brain and no matter how hard you want or try to deny it.  You cannot deny that you are human and everyone feel's these fundamental feelings.

These "seven" deadly sins are emotions that Make us Human

If your so called "god" says I am going to go to hell because I don't believe in him, I support homosexuality and I feel every one of those emotions on a daily basis.  How is that any different to a Dictator.  That sounds awefully like Hitler to me.  A man who wanted a pure race in his vision and condemned anyone who didn't worship him or fit his view of a perfect being to death camps.

I am Agnostic and a science person.  I don't believe god made the earth in seven days but think there could be some higher plane of existence.  If god is real, I would hope he is far more enlightened then his human worshippers make him out to be.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 12:13 AM

I've seen everyone else give loaded and less than realistic answers to the OP question, so putting myself in that hypothetical situation honestly of an Atheist meeting his or her god, my question would be "who are you?". Something I would undoubtedly long to know. You are a god type, yes. But who are you?

I'm sure the conversation could go to quite interesting places from this starting point.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 12:17 AM

View Postkrypter3, on 01 July 2013 - 11:32 PM, said:


If your so called "god" says I am going to go to hell because I don't believe in him, I support homosexuality and I feel every one of those emotions on a daily basis.  How is that any different to a Dictator.  That sounds awefully like Hitler to me.  A man who wanted a pure race in his vision and condemned anyone who didn't worship him or fit his view of a perfect being to death camps.

That's fine. It's clear you don't believe in some religions that talk about a God. Why then must you believe the aspect of their religion when they tout 'God' as a perfect, holiest of good being?

Is that really obligatory?

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 01:09 AM

I'm sensing some condescension with this topic.

Thomas Paine wrote in The Age of Reason that “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous execution, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God."
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 01:23 AM

I am a Pagan, I got more Gods.  My Gods would beat up your God and toss him the lake of fire, then my Gods and I would go have a glass of mead, maybe do some drumming.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 01:35 AM

View PostJor-el, on 01 July 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

Imagine if you will a hypothetical situation, (please don't argue the possibility or impossibility of such an encounter)....

After having lived a full and plentiful life as an atheist, you die, and much to your surprise, there is God waiting to for you... :santa:

He looks at you and asks.... What have you got to say for yourself?

How would you answer?

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Edited by ChloeB, 02 July 2013 - 01:35 AM.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 01:41 AM

View Post_Only, on 02 July 2013 - 12:13 AM, said:

I've seen everyone else give loaded and less than realistic answers to the OP question, so putting myself in that hypothetical situation honestly of an Atheist meeting his or her god, my question would be "who are you?". Something I would undoubtedly long to know. You are a god type, yes. But who are you?

I'm sure the conversation could go to quite interesting places from this starting point.

*in my ominous and commanding James Earl Jones voice*  "Your first mistake my son is to assume I'm a who at all."  Okay, next let's ask him what are you, where are you, when are you, and how are you?  And not how like, "oh I'm fine, thanks for asking" but how did you come to be?

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 01:42 AM

View PostDarkwind, on 02 July 2013 - 01:23 AM, said:

I am a Pagan, I got more Gods.  My Gods would beat up your God and toss him the lake of fire, then my Gods and I would go have a glass of mead, maybe do some drumming.

I'll be on your team.  I'm sure I'll tick their god off with my questions.  And I already have a drum, though I play it terribly, hopefully you have tolerant Gods, lol.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 01:44 AM

They put up with my playing. Just get them drunk, they like a good party.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 01:58 AM

Hmmm... if I were a atheist.. I would say

I knew you were a woman..

but as a pagan.. I would say

Told everyone you were a woman :D


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 02:02 AM

View PostDarkwind, on 02 July 2013 - 01:44 AM, said:

They put up with my playing. Just get them drunk, they like a good party.

Excellent strategy!

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 02:37 AM

View Post_Only, on 02 July 2013 - 12:17 AM, said:

That's fine. It's clear you don't believe in some religions that talk about a God. Why then must you believe the aspect of their religion when they tout 'God' as a perfect, holiest of good being?

Is that really obligatory?

I don't believe in any religion.  You misinterpreted me.  I don't believe in a certain aspect, I don't believe in 'god' or any deity for that matter but simply hope that if by the off chance there is an all powerful being guiding us.  He is more enlightened than those who worship him.  Whoever that being may be.  But I myself don't believe we are being guided by an all powerful being, nor do I believe god created the earth and it's occupants.

Aliens that have been mistaken as gods....maybe :alien: but that's a whole other ball game.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 02:42 AM

I see god as an individual thing, he is who you want him to be.  An imaginary force that give's you hope in a time of need, gives you courage when you go to war, or there's a bunch of them looking over you.  The mind is a powerful thing and some people find comfort in believing that they are a part of a grander design.  But then you get people who twist religion and turn it into a weapon.  That's when things become outrageous, when people use religion as card to push their own agenda's.





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