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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:35 AM

Fair enough, however it wasn't the bulk of my contribution anyway and the bulk of what i did post is ontopic. I still want to hear why Seeker is contemplating what he is.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:50 AM

View PostbLu3 de 3n3rgy, on 18 November 2012 - 04:35 AM, said:

I still want to hear why Seeker is contemplating what he is.
"What he is..." You do mean 'why he is' contemplating becoming a mason?


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:54 AM

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:55 AM

I find this interesting because the two people I know who are Masons are women. They were family Masons who were raised in it and considered it their "faith". One woman I know went to Mason gatherings in other countries (like exchange students) and was very involved in it. I wonder if it was a different organization.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:55 AM

View PostSakari, on 18 November 2012 - 02:40 AM, said:

See what you started Seeker :)


As for rituals, especially regarding children, that is a pretty big accusation to make from anyone....Any investigations involved in this, or just rumors?

I would think at least 1 or 2 of the kids would have pressed charges......


WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS TO JOIN THE MASONS?
The person who wants to join Freemasonry must be a man (it's a fraternity), sound in body and mind, who believes in God, is at least the minimum age required by Masonry in his state, and has a good reputation. (Incidentally, the "sound in body" requirement -- which comes from the stonemasons of the Middle Ages -- doesn't mean that a physically challenged man cannot be a Mason; many are).

Those are the only "formal" requirements. But there are others, not so formal. He should believe in helping others. He should believe there is more to life than pleasure and money. He should be willing to respect the opinions of others. And he should want to grow and develop as a human being.

HOW DOES A MAN BECOME A FREEMASON?
Some men are surprised that no one has ever asked them to become a Mason. They may even feel that the Masons in their town don't think they are "good enough" to join. But it doesn't work that way. For hundreds of years, Masons have been forbidden to ask others to join the fraternity. We can talk to friends about Freemasonry. We can tell them about what Freemasonry does. We can tell them why we enjoy it. But we can't ask, much less pressure, anyone to join.

There's a good reason for that. It isn't that we're trying to be exclusive. But becoming a Mason is a very serious thing. Joining Freemasonry is making a permanent life commitment to live in certain ways. We've listed most of them above -- to live with honor and integrity, to be willing to share with and care about others, to trust each other, and to place ultimate trust in God. No one should be "talked into" making such a decision.

So, when a man decides he wants to be a Freemasonry Mason, he asks a Mason for a petition or application. He fills it out and gives it to the Mason, and that Mason takes it to the local lodge. The Master of the lodge will appoint a committee to visit with the man and his family, find out a little about him and why he wants to become a member of the Masons, tell him and his family about Freeasonry, and answer their questions. The committee reports to the lodge, and the lodge votes on the petition. If the vote is affirmative -- and it usually is -- the lodge will contact the man to set the date for the Entered Apprentice Degree. When the person has completed all three degrees, he is a Master Mason and a full member of the Freemasonry fraternity.

This is the truth about joining Freemasonry, you have to ask which leads to a petition and inspection if you are of dubious character or committed crimes or various immoralities, when it comes to the vote, you will be "black balled". Its all about growing each brother spiritually to wisdom and to do charity to serve God and make the world a better place.

Unfortunately, there are even a few evil secret societies interacting hiddenly within some lodges. These are NOT the Freemasons when you hear the evil horror stories,  any more than Satanists practicing a black mass means all Catholics practicing a mass are just practicing another form of Satanism or that all priests are gay and pediphiles!  The rites they do may be similar in some aspects but are in total opposition to the original rites of tradition.

There  is good and evil throughout the whole world and in every society. Please don't judge the whole of the traditions by the perverted few who call themselves Masons when they are not!

By the way, there are Masonic orders that include women. There is a lot of fellowship for all family members of the Masons, but even family members have to ask to join if they  want to go through the degrees of instruction of what ever order they wish to be  an initiate.


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 05:46 AM

My grandfather was a mason.he also worked for the government part time.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:46 AM

View Postdarkmoonlady, on 18 November 2012 - 04:55 AM, said:

I find this interesting because the two people I know who are Masons are women. They were family Masons who were raised in it and considered it their "faith". One woman I know went to Mason gatherings in other countries (like exchange students) and was very involved in it. I wonder if it was a different organization.
There are women in the masons,but its usually because a man in her family is a mason .
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The women wear the star depicted here,usually in jewelry . Pins,necklaces,rings.
I have the ring . I just liked the design because it looks like a pentagram . My uncle was a mason ,so he got it for me.

As for the rest ,in the USA,now,most mason lodges are just a way for men to be involved with community ,and do social things together .
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:45 AM

Hi Simbi,

I have interest in the Order of the Eastern Star, Eleanor Roosevelt, wife of Franklin D. Roosevelt was a member, it is probable that the shape of the Pentagon comes from this:-

http://en.wikipedia....he_Eastern_Star

Under "History" you find that Queen Ester Chapter No.1 was established in Washington DC on 1st December 1874, Egyptian Sunrise day marker was chosen for as Sun rose at location, Sirius Isis star was setting in the West, astronomy graph below:-

http://2012forum.com...=3890&mode=view

The Pentagon had it's ground-breaking ceremony on 11th September 1941, i feel they used ancient Greek day marker on actual day, thus ceremony must have been after sunset, for as Sun set, Alnilam, Belt of Orion, and Osiris star was aligned to the NADIR, graph on link below:-

http://2012forum.com...=3889&mode=view

Please note that masons are not the only ones to align Egyptian Stars, and not all of them do it.


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:46 AM

View PostSakari, on 18 November 2012 - 02:40 AM, said:

See what you started Seeker :)


As for rituals, especially regarding children, that is a pretty big accusation to make from anyone....Any investigations involved in this, or just rumors?

I would think at least 1 or 2 of the kids would have pressed charges......


WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS TO JOIN THE MASONS?
The person who wants to join Freemasonry must be a man (it's a fraternity), sound in body and mind, who believes in God, is at least the minimum age required by Masonry in his state, and has a good reputation. (Incidentally, the "sound in body" requirement -- which comes from the stonemasons of the Middle Ages -- doesn't mean that a physically challenged man cannot be a Mason; many are).

Those are the only "formal" requirements. But there are others, not so formal. He should believe in helping others. He should believe there is more to life than pleasure and money. He should be willing to respect the opinions of others. And he should want to grow and develop as a human being.

HOW DOES A MAN BECOME A FREEMASON?
Some men are surprised that no one has ever asked them to become a Mason. They may even feel that the Masons in their town don't think they are "good enough" to join. But it doesn't work that way. For hundreds of years, Masons have been forbidden to ask others to join the fraternity. We can talk to friends about Freemasonry. We can tell them about what Freemasonry does. We can tell them why we enjoy it. But we can't ask, much less pressure, anyone to join.

There's a good reason for that. It isn't that we're trying to be exclusive. But becoming a Mason is a very serious thing. Joining Freemasonry is making a permanent life commitment to live in certain ways. We've listed most of them above -- to live with honor and integrity, to be willing to share with and care about others, to trust each other, and to place ultimate trust in God. No one should be "talked into" making such a decision.

So, when a man decides he wants to be a Freemasonry Mason, he asks a Mason for a petition or application. He fills it out and gives it to the Mason, and that Mason takes it to the local lodge. The Master of the lodge will appoint a committee to visit with the man and his family, find out a little about him and why he wants to become a member of the Masons, tell him and his family about Freeasonry, and answer their questions. The committee reports to the lodge, and the lodge votes on the petition. If the vote is affirmative -- and it usually is -- the lodge will contact the man to set the date for the Entered Apprentice Degree. When the person has completed all three degrees, he is a Master Mason and a full member of the Freemasonry fraternity.




Firstly the Lodge I am talking about is in England. Completely different to the US. The Lodge my Step dad was part of is Scottish freemasons and they are different from the English and US ones.

I know all the info you posted.

My "accusations" are more than that they come from trustworthy sources and it's more than a little rumor.


Also there has been more than 1 case of Lodges being charged with pedophilia and necrophilia. I read at least 4 cases yesterday that went public while trying to find info on the lodge I was talking about. One of which is a famous case in Wales. Where a 4 year old buy said he witnessed them digging up graves and killing infants in rituals. Obviously he was sexually abused. They where taking children from a famous bernardos orphanage in wales.


So yes that kind of thing does happen. It's not a conspiracy, it's a sad fact.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:17 PM

View PostCoffey, on 18 November 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

Firstly the Lodge I am talking about is in England. Completely different to the US. The Lodge my Step dad was part of is Scottish freemasons and they are different from the English and US ones.

I know all the info you posted.

My "accusations" are more than that they come from trustworthy sources and it's more than a little rumor.


Also there has been more than 1 case of Lodges being charged with pedophilia and necrophilia. I read at least 4 cases yesterday that went public while trying to find info on the lodge I was talking about. One of which is a famous case in Wales. Where a 4 year old buy said he witnessed them digging up graves and killing infants in rituals. Obviously he was sexually abused. They where taking children from a famous bernardos orphanage in wales.


So yes that kind of thing does happen. It's not a conspiracy, it's a sad fact.



That is sad....Sounds different then in the US though......

You know, if you know about a child sex crime, or have any information on it, you should be contacting the Police......it would be the right thing to do. :tu:

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 05:16 PM

Seeker, I've been a Freemason for over 15 years. The first couple of answers were way off, but things got better after that. You won't be asked to join - you must request admission to a Lodge. You can ask a friend that is a Mason (the easiest and more comfortable way), or do what I did... I wrote, "I am interested in joining," on one of my business cards and slipped it through the Temple mail slot. Three days later I got a phone call - and it was about two months later that I began my journey.

One of the things we really try to prevent are people joining for "mercenary" reason - like getting business contacts and the like. I was a smelly government worker, so it didn't matter to me. As a member of the military, I moved every few years, and I've always been slow to develop new friendships - and I figured that being a member of an international fraternity, I'd have something in common and making friends would be easier. I'll say that it has been VERY enjoyable.

My only word of "warning" is that in many Lodges, there will be pressure to be involved in the hierarchy - and it is VERY time consuming. In the ritual of the First Degree, you are Charged to NOT get so deep into the Lodge that it interferes with your business, family or general life. We don't want you to get burnt out and end up quitting.
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darkmoonlady, there are females involved in what is called, "Co-Masonry" - but they are not only not recognized by regular Freemasons, they are shunned. Imagine, if you will, calling yourself a graduate of a world-rated college (Harvard, Cambridge, etc) after you and your friends organize a "graduation" ceremony and get a pretty diploma. Are you REALLY a graduate of that university? What will that university say about your relationship with them? It works the same with Co-Masonry - all Regular Lodges have declared all Co-Masonic Lodges to be "irregular" and anyone that is involved in them to be guilty of "unMasonic Conduct" - and guilty of one of the most severe "crimes" that we have. As a fraternity (as opposed to a sorority or co-ed club), any woman that identifies herself as a Mason will immediately identify herself as a poser and a fake, and any relationship she may want to have with that Freemason (business or personal) is immediately impossible.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:17 PM

View PostTravelling Man, on 18 November 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

Coffee, any chance we could get a link to a news article from a reliable news agency? My Google-fu is weak today, and I can't find any mention of this story.

I just googled for it, but it brings up all the Jimmy Savile stuff now. I've tried Welsh pedophile necrophilia masons as keywords, but that brings up Jimmy Savile stuff. I think he was connected to it and that's why I read the article on it. It was someone like the Daily mail or Guardian who ran the main article which was about the welsh Masons case. It happened in the 70's.


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Here is the interview with the ma who was the a boy the time:



Savile was a freemason and a Knights Hospitaller and it seems like the Royal family and government covered for him and many others. A high up bishop who was a close friend of the Royal family has also been charged, IT department found loads of child porn on his laptop.

View PostSakari, on 18 November 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

That is sad....Sounds different then in the US though......

You know, if you know about a child sex crime, or have any information on it, you should be contacting the Police......it would be the right thing to do. :tu:


With the one I was mentioning I think the people involved did, but not sure what happened in the end.


Happens with a lot of things though, It's not specific or connected to masons in my opinion. Just a load of people who let power go to their heads and corrupt them in those cases. Takes 1 twisted mind to twist some more minds and before you know it it gets out of control. Hitler was a classic case of this.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:55 PM

So what really does go on at a typical Mason meeting?  Also, is the movement dying out?  Just asking since I am a female and don't seem to have much of a chance anyway at this organization, based on what Travelling Man said.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:58 PM

View PostTravelling Man, on 18 November 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

Seeker, I've been a Freemason for over 15 years. The first couple of answers were way off, but things got better after that. You won't be asked to join - you must request admission to a Lodge. You can ask a friend that is a Mason (the easiest and more comfortable way), or do what I did... I wrote, "I am interested in joining," on one of my business cards and slipped it through the Temple mail slot. Three days later I got a phone call - and it was about two months later that I began my journey.

One of the things we really try to prevent are people joining for "mercenary" reason - like getting business contacts and the like. I was a smelly government worker, so it didn't matter to me. As a member of the military, I moved every few years, and I've always been slow to develop new friendships - and I figured that being a member of an international fraternity, I'd have something in common and making friends would be easier. I'll say that it has been VERY enjoyable.

My only word of "warning" is that in many Lodges, there will be pressure to be involved in the hierarchy - and it is VERY time consuming. In the ritual of the First Degree, you are Charged to NOT get so deep into the Lodge that it interferes with your business, family or general life. We don't want you to get burnt out and end up quitting.
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darkmoonlady, there are females involved in what is called, "Co-Masonry" - but they are not only not recognized by regular Freemasons, they are shunned. Imagine, if you will, calling yourself a graduate of a world-rated college (Harvard, Cambridge, etc) after you and your friends organize a "graduation" ceremony and get a pretty diploma. Are you REALLY a graduate of that university? What will that university say about your relationship with them? It works the same with Co-Masonry - all Regular Lodges have declared all Co-Masonic Lodges to be "irregular" and anyone that is involved in them to be guilty of "unMasonic Conduct" - and guilty of one of the most severe "crimes" that we have. As a fraternity (as opposed to a sorority or co-ed club), any woman that identifies herself as a Mason will immediately identify herself as a poser and a fake, and any relationship she may want to have with that Freemason (business or personal) is immediately impossible.
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Coffee, any chance we could get a link to a news article from a reliable news agency? My Google-fu is weak today, and I can't find any mention of this story.


I'm curious of your comment Co-Masonry women are shunned..... are you including OES ?..since they do not claim to be a certain Mason Degree of the Lodge or participating in the seperate rites nor do they claim to be  Master Masons of Scottish Rite, York etc. In the states OES is embraced not shunned by the other Orders. You've only been in the Order for 15 years, some of the Heirarchy takes many more.


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:04 PM

View PostTravelling Man, on 18 November 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

Seeker, I've been a Freemason for over 15 years. The first couple of answers were way off, but things got better after that. You won't be asked to join - you must request admission to a Lodge. You can ask a friend that is a Mason (the easiest and more comfortable way), or do what I did... I wrote, "I am interested in joining," on one of my business cards and slipped it through the Temple mail slot. Three days later I got a phone call - and it was about two months later that I began my journey.

One of the things we really try to prevent are people joining for "mercenary" reason - like getting business contacts and the like. I was a smelly government worker, so it didn't matter to me. As a member of the military, I moved every few years, and I've always been slow to develop new friendships - and I figured that being a member of an international fraternity, I'd have something in common and making friends would be easier. I'll say that it has been VERY enjoyable.

My only word of "warning" is that in many Lodges, there will be pressure to be involved in the hierarchy - and it is VERY time consuming. In the ritual of the First Degree, you are Charged to NOT get so deep into the Lodge that it interferes with your business, family or general life. We don't want you to get burnt out and end up quitting.
Good advice. :)  I'd emphasise that you'll need a Mason to Propose you for membership, a Mason to Second that proposal and no enemies in that Lodge who will black-ball you.  You will also have to believe in God or at least pretend to.  You will be joining a clique and some of those cliques are extremely choosy about who they sit beside every month. You'll be ok if you have a key though.  *sticks tongue out*  :)  Good luck!





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