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[OverSword]

Vein Capital, on 20 July 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

I think that fear of death is what leads one to want immortality. If you could be immortal, however, the fear of the death would be gone, which would mean that once you have what you want, you're whole reason for wanting it is gone. Life would become meaningless.

I disagree, once you're immortal I'm guessing you could still be killed through drowning, extreme injury, or whatever, you would probably be even more careful and take fewer risks.  After a while there would probably be alot of people with missing digits and limbs and what have you.

[TheSpoonyOne]

It would have to be kept secret, you could never let the world know that there was a way of achieving immortality, because then people would go insane to gain access to it, it would be complete madness!

[Junior Chubb]

Mr Right Wing, on 20 July 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

Ok if a Los Angeles farmer........ oh look they manage quite well in a desert.

Securing water supplies and irrigation arent exactly expensive or technically demanding. Where I live in England the water is taken from the sea, desalinated and purified. But as I said Ethiopia is backwards. Do they even have electricity and motorways?

So comparing an Ethiopian farmer to a British farmer was a bit harsh? Now comparing that same farmer to a farmer in LA that makes a little bit more sense (a little bit)

I will go with your judgement that securing water supplies and irrigation arent exactly expensive or technically demanding (as I have little knowledge of the subject), but in a country that is 'backwards' is it fair to blame the individuals?

In your first post quoting me you say the Ethiopians are 'backwards' (individuals) in your second its the country (no electricity and motorways) that is 'backwards'. So the country is 'backwards' and the people are 'backwards', surely if an Englishman/American had been raised there they would be 'backwards' too?

Still not really sure what your point is, or why you quoted my post.

There are comments in this thread suggesting other factors (soil quality, climate and politics). You seem to be knowledgeable and vocal on the subject, maybe you should start a thread on the subject as it seems to have aroused a bit of interest.

I am sorry if quoting Grey14's post provoked you into declaring Ethiopia's 'backwardness' and thus helped steer a few posts off topic...

Edited by Junior Chubb, 20 July 2012 - 10:52 PM.

[Mr Right Wing]

Junior Chubb, on 20 July 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

So comparing an Ethiopian farmer to a British farmer was a bit harsh? Now comparing that same farmer to a farmer in LA that makes a little bit more sense (a little bit)

I will go with your judgement that securing water supplies and irrigation arent exactly expensive or technically demanding (as I have little knowledge of the subject), but in a country that is 'backwards' is it fair to blame the individuals?

In your first post quoting me you say the Ethiopians are 'backwards' (individuals) in your second its the country (no electricity and motorways) that is 'backwards'. So the country is 'backwards' and the people are 'backwards', surely if an Englishman/American had been raised there they would be 'backwards' too?

Still not really sure what your point is, or why you quoted my post.

There are comments in this thread suggesting other factors (soil quality, climate and politics). You seem to be knowledgeable and vocal on the subject, maybe you should start a thread on the subject as it seems to have aroused a bit of interest.

I am sorry if quoting Grey14's post provoked you into declaring Ethiopia's 'backwardness' and thus helped steer a few posts off topic...

You're diverting the debate and missing he point.

One little desert country where the people have problems with droughts is not a true representation of most of the planet. Most of the planet which isnt put to use in farming, city building, or other forms of productivity.

As for aging I've already told people how to live for several hundred years. 4-OHT (Estrogen) lengthens telomeres which reverses aging. Whole cows milk is an excellant source of it.

You need to beware of cancer when having a pint of whole cows milk every other day so plenty of fruit or veg.

[Junior Chubb]

Mr Right Wing, on 20 July 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

You're diverting the debate and missing he point.

I am not sure why you think I am diverting the debate. The thread is about Ray Kurzweil and his view that immortality 20 years away. I quoted Grey14's post concerning farming in Africa asking if his post was in jest. The subject of Africa was already in conversation before my post (or I would not have been able to quote a post about it), despite this I apologised if my post had added more off topic content to the thread. I even suggested starting a different thread to tackle this issue. I do not see how I am diverting the debate in this case, and even if I did temporarily do so, that has passed and no longer relevant or deserving of a 'diverting' accusation.

Maybe you think I am diverting the debate away from our 'back and forth' about Ethiopia, if that is the case I am 'diverting the debate' as this is not the place for it (as OverSword pointed out). Surely that is the correct thing to do in this situation (and does not deserve a 'diverting' accusation), resolve an off topic debate with a new thread?

I might well be missing the point because I still don't know what your point is.

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One little desert country where the people have problems with droughts is not a true representation of most of the planet. Most of the planet which isnt put to use in farming, city building, or other forms of productivity.

Why are you telling me this? What has this go to do with my post? Are you confusing me with someone else? (Sorry for the triple question whammy!) I made no mention of 'one little desert country representing most of the planet'. I was merely asking Grey14 if his comment ('If they tended farms they would not be starving.') was in jest or not, simple as that, no hidden agendas or implications. You might have assumed I was taking part in your conversation but believe me I was not.

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As for aging I've already told people how to live for several hundred years. 4-OHT (Estrogen) lengthens telomeres which reverses aging. Whole cows milk is an excellant source of it.

You need to beware of cancer when having a pint of whole cows milk every other day so plenty of fruit or veg.

I read your posts earlier, interesting. It seems a bit far fetched to me (hundreds of years?), I thought the human digestive system had issues with milk after childhood (especially pasteurised milk), added to this you mention a cancer link.This does not sound like a recipe to long life to me (unless you mean't long life milk ).

Thanks for the information though, I will look into it before dismissing it out of hand.

Edited by Junior Chubb, 21 July 2012 - 12:22 AM.

[siggiesis]

Woot! I'm gonna live forever! Um...but I can't have babies and no real sex?!?! What kind of life is that? I might as well go to prison.

[Wickian]

Immortality will be great for the individual(if you're important or rich enough for it), but terrible for the species.  The only way I can see them releasing it to the public is at an extremely extravagant price so only a few hundred people will even be able to afford it.

[Collateral Damage]

Personally I believe this to be fascinating. If anything, I hope for it to be achievable and kept secret to the mass. This could help benefit our search for E.T. life as a species greatly. Let's say catastrophe begins sometime in the future, and Mother Earth is about to witness her dying day... With immortality, it's possible we could easily habitate other planets. Whether the planet can support life or not, depending on the conditions, we as a species are know for bending the rules of nature for our own survival. It's possible that one day our own will be living on another Earth, manmade.
Traveling light years from home could be achieved, making the searchee's more willing for a go.
I'm pretty stoked for the next 20+ years of my life, these drastic changes upon modern-day society will be beyond mind blowing.

Edited by ViViDviSioN, 22 July 2012 - 06:11 AM.

[spud the mackem]

ouija ouija, on 17 July 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

'Well-respected scientist'/'World-renowned scientist' my @*$*

  He's been reading Dracula.What a loada Moo Poo.

[ZaraKitty]

The world will become over-populated. We won't be able to have enough resources to keep so many people alive who are still breeding people to keep alive who will then breed people who will be kept alive.

It will be a slow and painful death if you choose immortality.

[OverSword]

spud the mackem, on 23 July 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

He's been reading Dracula.What a loada Moo Poo.

If you read one of my earlier posts you will see a quite extensive list of scientists actively working on longevity/immortality.  Many of these scientists are also employed as (for example) heads of departments at large universities and top researchers of pharmacological companies.  They've already got a pretty good idea which protiens stop being produced which causes damage to DNA and aging.  If they know that how far off can they be from finding a solution to that problem and making it so DNA continues to repair itself past 30?  Those who can't see past thier genitals and just can't imagine immortals whos main preoccupation isn't reproductions really lack imagination and are probably in thier teens or twenties and are therefore handicapped by raging hormones.

[rainbow_guts1102]

seems legit. i would gladly be a test subject. just...gotta be careful who he exposes it to...cause that could go wrong..

[Jack_of_Blades]

I'm still waiting on the hover cars, wooly mammoth, and Mars colony we've been promised....

Seriously, not going to happen.

[green_dude777]

Jack of Blades,

Not sure what exactly you're implying, but those things you mentioned are possible.  The mammoth is in process, the hover car and Mars colony are not economically feasible. They're definitely possible though.

Try this; think about the benefits of the hover cars and Mars colony, then compare those benefits to the projected costs.

[Kazoo]

I am worried what this would mean for society.

  The upper class would actually become genetically superior to the lower class. Which will lead to a new form of discrimination and well other things that would suck for the poor.