ValkyrieVoice Posted September 2, 2009 #1 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Civilian Army Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Startraveler Posted September 2, 2009 #2 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Fact Check is your friend: Similar claims have been circulating in right-leaning blogs and conservative Web sites ever since July, when Obama made a single reference to a "civilian national security force" in a campaign speech in Colorado. Obama's detractors make much of his expansive (and exaggerated) description of such a force as being "just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the U.S. military. They also ignore the context.Obama was not talking about a "security force" with guns or police powers. He was talking specifically about expanding AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps and the USA Freedom Corps, which is the volunteer initiative launched by the Bush administration after the attacks of 9/11, and about increasing the number of trained Foreign Service officers who populate U.S. embassies overseas. Here is the relevant portion of what Obama actually said, with the sentences quoted selectively by Broun and others in bold. Obama, July 2, Colorado Springs, CO: [As] president I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots [from 75,000] and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals, like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their effort connected to a common purpose. People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem – they are the answer. So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We'll call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country. We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families. And we're going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. We need to use technology to connect people to service. We'll expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. You'll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets. You'll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities. This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up. Related: Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, signed by the President on April 21 (expanded AmeriCorps) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sweater Song Posted September 2, 2009 #3 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Well, as the "FactCheck" even said... Barack Obama made a completely exaggerated statement at a rally... People were alarmed and asked questions, as they should. The truth comes out that Obama was wrong... problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRS-One Posted September 2, 2009 #4 Share Posted September 2, 2009 (edited) We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. It's almost like we need some kind of semi-professional guardian of the nation. A National Guard, if you will... Edited September 2, 2009 by KRS-One Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedicTJ Posted September 2, 2009 #5 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Obama is already taking steps to control the internet, and according to people I've talked to...is about to propose legislation requiring anyone using any form of PA system (including megaphones) to pay a yearly fee of no less than $5,000 dollars. The first step in establishing Totalitarianism is to control information and the means by which it is communicated. And....since there will always be those who break the rules, you need a Gestapo to enforce the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted September 2, 2009 #6 Share Posted September 2, 2009 (edited) And even as we watch the boy scouts train to kill "right wing terrorist vets" they still denie this is what he meant. Edited September 2, 2009 by preacherman76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronGhost Posted September 2, 2009 #7 Share Posted September 2, 2009 (edited) Wow, Boy Scouts are training to be killers for Obama. We've really gone beyond people wearing tin foil hats now to some kind of strange lunacy that's really difficult to fathom. EDIT: The claim about the Boy Scouts was so bizarre, I had to look into it further. Here is the source of thes story, the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/us/14explorers.html?_r=1&em What's ironic is that the Boys Scouts have lond been associated with right-leaning religious groups (they have a no-Gays policy, etc.) These boys are being trained primarily to battle illegal immigrations from Mexico and to fight drug trafficing. Now, somehow, it's being portrayed as some kind of Obama Hitler-youth movement -- when, in fact, this program is far more right-leaning that anything that might have to do with Obama's view of the world. Edited September 2, 2009 by IronGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neognosis Posted September 2, 2009 #8 Share Posted September 2, 2009 It troubles you because you are the type of person who listens to Glen Beck. Don't be so ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted September 2, 2009 #9 Share Posted September 2, 2009 It troubles me cause I dont like the idea of living in a police state, exactly like 0bama said we would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted September 2, 2009 #10 Share Posted September 2, 2009 What is most scary is, after he said it, they clapped and cheered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp Posted September 2, 2009 #11 Share Posted September 2, 2009 There are some super paranoid people on these fourms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted September 2, 2009 #12 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Wow, Boy Scouts are training to be killers for Obama. We've really gone beyond people wearing tin foil hats now to some kind of strange lunacy that's really difficult to fathom. EDIT: The claim about the Boy Scouts was so bizarre, I had to look into it further. Here is the source of thes story, the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/us/14explorers.html?_r=1&em What's ironic is that the Boys Scouts have lond been associated with right-leaning religious groups (they have a no-Gays policy, etc.) These boys are being trained primarily to battle illegal immigrations from Mexico and to fight drug trafficing.Now, somehow, it's being portrayed as some kind of Obama Hitler-youth movement -- when, in fact, this program is far more right-leaning that anything that might have to do with Obama's view of the world. No they are not man. The post directly spoke of a situtation where kids entered a building that was over taken by a iraqi war Vet. The vet had already killed 2 people, and they were going in to kill him. They also spoke of a 10 year old girl with a m-16 getting ready to rush a bus that had been highjacked by Iraq war vets. This has NOTHING to do with illegals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted September 2, 2009 #13 Share Posted September 2, 2009 (edited) IMPERIAL, Calif. — Ten minutes into arrant mayhem in this town near the Mexican border, and the gunman, a disgruntled Iraq war veteran, has already taken out two people, one slumped in his desk, the other covered in blood on the floor. Todd Krainin for The New York Times In a training exercise run by Border Patrol agents, Explorer scouts from Visalia, Calif., prepare to storm a “hijacked” bus. More Photos » The responding officers — eight teenage boys and girls, the youngest 14 — face tripwire, a thin cloud of poisonous gas and loud shots — BAM! BAM! — fired from behind a flimsy wall. They move quickly, pellet guns drawn and masks affixed. Edited September 2, 2009 by preacherman76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted September 2, 2009 #14 Share Posted September 2, 2009 There are some super paranoid people on these fourms Paranoid??? The man striaght said he wanted a Civilan national sercurity force, as well trained and funded as the millitary" Then we see hundreds of thousands of children being trained to kill terrorist. I mean, I hate to call people names but are you dumb? Thats what gets me the worst, I know your not dumb. Worse, you are mind controled. Wake up man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp Posted September 2, 2009 #15 Share Posted September 2, 2009 (edited) Aren't the Boy Scouts about camping and doing good deeds? That's what we have up here. preacherman every other thread on these boards seem to be about how the government is going to become this vast totalitarian state. Every little idea that's put forward is proof that 'they' out to get us all. That the government, no matter who's in power, wants to enslave us all for some unknown evil purpose. And of course anyone who doesn't think exactly the way you do must be mind controled. Our elected officials are jerks and corrupt but to believe that they want to kill millions and enslave the rest just because they can is nothing more than being paranoid. I'm wide awake thank you. Perhaps you need to stop jumping at shadows. Edited September 2, 2009 by Corp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted September 2, 2009 #16 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Aren't the Boy Scouts about camping and doing good deeds? That's what we have up here. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/us/14explorers.html?_r=2&em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp Posted September 2, 2009 #17 Share Posted September 2, 2009 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/us/14explorers.html?_r=2&em Well that's just a stupid idea. The only thing that could come of something like that in real life would be a lot of dead kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronGhost Posted September 2, 2009 #18 Share Posted September 2, 2009 No they are not man. The post directly spoke of a situtation where kids entered a building that was over taken by a iraqi war Vet. The vet had already killed 2 people, and they were going in to kill him. They also spoke of a 10 year old girl with a m-16 getting ready to rush a bus that had been highjacked by Iraq war vets. This has NOTHING to do with illegals. Didn't you read the article in the NYT? It's almost all about illegals and Mexican drugs wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Honeybadger Posted September 2, 2009 #19 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Obama already has ACORN to give his marching orders to. What does he need another civilian Army for ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Startraveler Posted September 2, 2009 #20 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Paranoid??? The man striaght said he wanted a Civilan national sercurity force, as well trained and funded as the millitary" Knowing that people like yourself wouldn't actually seek out what Obama actually said, I posted it above. He specifically defines what he means by "civilian national security force" in the speech: So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We'll call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country. We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families. And we're going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. Yes, you're paranoid. Or extremely susceptible to believing any insinuation or suggestion made by Glenn Beck. We have a long history of using military metaphors in our politics ("campaigns," anyone?): the War on Poverty wasn't really a military incursion, Sargent Shriver wasn't really a general, and Community Action Agencies weren't bombing Cambodia. Metaphors are tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stardrive Posted September 2, 2009 #21 Share Posted September 2, 2009 There are some super paranoid people on these fourms Emphasis on "super". This is like the 5th time this has been brought up and I still haven't seen hide nor hair of this child "army" that folks are going on about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronGhost Posted September 2, 2009 #22 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Emphasis on "super". This is like the 5th time this has been brought up and I still haven't seen hide nor hair of this child "army" that folks are going on about. Right. I mean, it's just crazy, isn't it? And really, the Boy Scouts have always been a sort of right-leanging organization -- I think they sued to maintain their rights to ban gays from the ranks. All this new paramilitary offshoot stuff is just more righty kind of behavior. Yet, somehow, people are tortuously morphing this into some kind of sinsister Obama plan to take over the country. It's soooo nutty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRCivic98 Posted September 2, 2009 #23 Share Posted September 2, 2009 a civilian militia working for the government versus militias that are formed by backwoods rednecks (as I've heard people call them). Now let's check this one out. Government versus the people...seems about right. But the old rule still applies. Professional soldiers are predictable...but the world is full of deadly amaetuers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted September 2, 2009 #24 Share Posted September 2, 2009 'when people have lost everything and have nothing left to lose they lose it' --Gerald Celente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neognosis Posted September 2, 2009 #25 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Paranoid??? The man striaght said he wanted a Civilan national sercurity force, as well trained and funded as the millitary" Then we see hundreds of thousands of children being trained to kill terrorist. I mean, I hate to call people names but are you dumb? No he didn't. You are misquoting. I can't decide if you are milicious, mentally ill, or just a moron. Whichever, it's unfortunate that you know how to use a computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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