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[Sakari]

zoser, on 03 October 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

That's the culprit.  It's amazing how we can all be so easily fooled by these things.

Zoser.. " we " is plural.

[1963]

Sweetpumper, on 03 October 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:

UFO crashing in China:

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ADGUK is a well known video hoaxer Sweetpumper!..A good hoaxer that does decent videos, but a hoaxer all the same!....And what's more.... I somehow guess that you already knew that,...didn't you!..."You little tinker".


Cheers buddy.

Edited by 1963, 03 October 2012 - 10:27 PM.

[bee]

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They're still technically UFOs zoser.....



I know...to keep everyone happy....let's say they were dark plasma something from Betelgeuse....



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[TheMacGuffin]

1963, on 03 October 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

ADGUK is a well known video hoaxer Sweetpumper!..A good hoaxer that does decent videos, but a hoaxer all the same!....And what's more.... I somehow guess that you already knew that,...didn't you!..."You little tinker".

Yes, video of an actual UFO crash is a little too good to be true, isn't it?

[TheMacGuffin]

The worst part is that if (when) there is any real UFO footage posted on You Tube, would anyone believe it given all the fakes and deliberate disinformation that it has been flooded with?

That's the truly insidious part of the whole thing, covering up the whole subject of UFOs with garbage and lies.  Yes, it's downright sinister, but clever too.

And then some jokers can come along and say "See, none of it's real.  There are no UFOs at all and the whole subject is fake."  Insidious, since it turns the Internet into a subtle part of the cover up instead of an important tool to use against it.

Edited by TheMacGuffin, 03 October 2012 - 10:51 PM.

[bee]

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well said TheMacGuffin......

[1963]

TheMacGuffin, on 03 October 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

The worst part is that if (when) there is any real UFO footage posted on You Tube, would anyone believe it given all the fakes and deliberate disinformation that it has been flooded with?

That's the truly insidious part of the whole thing, covering up the whole subject of UFOs with garbage and lies.  Yes, it's downright sinister, but clever too.

So do you think that certain well known video-hoaxers such as this ADGUK clown could be paid disinformation agents then MacGuffin?.....Do you know, that really makes sense, and seems so eminently possible!!
And to think,...i've pondered the motives of these guys for all this time, you know...Money,..Fame..Notoriety...Devilment etc, ...and something that sounds so obvious never even crossed my mind!
Thanks for pointing that option out my friend. ...i'll certainly give it consideration!


Cheers buddy.

Edited by 1963, 03 October 2012 - 11:02 PM.

[bee]

1963, on 03 October 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

ADGUK is a well known video hoaxer Sweetpumper!..A good hoaxer that does decent videos, but a hoaxer all the same!....And what's more.... I somehow guess that you already knew that,...didn't you!..."You little tinker".

little tinker.....lol

TheMacGuffin, on 03 October 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:

Yes, video of an actual UFO crash is a little too good to be true, isn't it?

when I was having a look for a pinky coloured bit of footage that I'd seen before...of a 'UFO crash' (which I found)....I stumbled on this,,,


don't know if it's been posted in the thread yet...

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Ex-USAF pilot says he chased a UFO across Texas and watched it crash on the Texas-Mexico border near Del Rio, Texas.

[tipotep]

zoser, on 03 October 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

No detail to suggest it's a bug.  The first shot looks very much as if the object was on the sky not in front of the lens.

I have to lean to the dark side here Z , I think that you are making a huge stretch from a black spot to ET , I think it could have been absolutely anything including a bug ....

The Crete pictures are one thing but I'm afraid your trying to make something out of nothing .

Keep up the TT's , I have enjoyed watching or reading them and have found a " few " to be very interesting indeed  

TiP.

[TheMacGuffin]

1963, on 03 October 2012 - 11:01 PM, said:

So do you think that certain well known video-hoaxers such as this ADGUK clown could be paid disinformation agents then MacGuffin?.....Do you know, that really makes sense, and seems so eminently possible!!
And to think,...i've pondered the motives of these guys for all this time, you know...Money,..Fame..Notoriety...Devilment etc, ...and something that sounds so obvious never even crossed my mind!
Thanks for pointing that option out my friend. ...i'll certainly give it consideration!

If I wanted to discredit UFOs completely, then I would flood the Internet with a bunch of fakes and disinformation, or just pay people to do it.

It's the same principle as recommended by the CIA's Robertson Panel in 1953, which is to use unreliable sources like sensational tabloid newspapers to run all kinds of phony UFO stories like "I married an alien" or something like that.  

Nowadays, they could send in someone to post Internet blogs and stories about how they are in contact with aliens or have been visiting ET planets, which is the same type of thing George Adamski and other "contactees" were trying to sell in the 1950s.  It's just a matter of adapting the same kinds of hoaxes and disinformation to a new medium.

Ever notice that UFO conferences often get flooded with all kinds of loonies who then get their brief moments of glory on the evening news?  It's the same thing again, and is designed to make the whole subject look kooky, bogus, lunatic fringe, etc.

[1963]

bee, on 03 October 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

little tinker.....lol





when I was having a look for a pinky coloured bit of footage that I'd seen before...of a 'UFO crash' (which I found)....I stumbled on this,,,


don't know if it's been posted in the thread yet...

Hi Bee!...Sorry to be a party-pooper, but I started a thread on this 'Shady-Old-Coot's' story back in march....

http://www.unexplain...opic=223305&hl=


I must admit that he had me convinced until I found the truth about the old man's reliability on Kevin Randle's site....

http://kevinrandle.b...-interview.html

made me feel pretty gullible , i'll tell you!  


Cheers Bee.

[1963]

TheMacGuffin, on 03 October 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

If I wanted to discredit UFOs completely, then I would flood the Internet with a bunch of fakes and disinformation, or just pay people to do it.

It's the same principle as recommended by the CIA's Robertson Panel in 1953, which is to use unreliable sources like sensational tabloid newspapers to run all kinds of phony UFO stories like "I married an alien" or something like that.  

Nowadays, they could send in someone to post Internet blogs and stories about how they are in contact with aliens or have been visiting ET planets, which is the same type of thing George Adamski and other "contactees" were trying to sell in the 1950s.  It's just a matter of adapting the same kinds of hoaxes and disinformation to a new medium.

Ever notice that UFO conferences often get flooded with all kinds of loonies who then get their brief moments of glory on the evening news?  It's the same thing again, and is designed to make the whole subject look kooky, bogus, lunatic fringe, etc.

Wise words my friend!

Cheers buddy.

[TheMacGuffin]

1963, on 03 October 2012 - 11:26 PM, said:

Hi Bee!...Sorry to be a party-pooper, but I started a thread on this 'Shady-Old-Coot's' story back in march....

made me feel pretty gullible , i'll tell you!  

I wouldn't feel too badly about it since we've all been caught by fakes now and again, and there are so many that it's hard to keep track of them all.  Of course, the same methods are used to discredit those who might have genuine UFO information, which makes our task even harder.

Every fake like this also sows more distrust and suspicion about the entire UFO subject in general, but the fact remains that this "Laredo crash" was always based on one questionable source.  Once in a while, though, I still run into someone who argues that it really happened after all.

[bee]

1963, on 03 October 2012 - 11:26 PM, said:

Hi Bee!...Sorry to be a party-pooper, but I started a thread on this 'Shady-Old-Coot's' story back in march....

http://www.unexplain...opic=223305&hl=


I must admit that he had me convinced until I found the truth about the old man's reliability on Kevin Randle's site....

http://kevinrandle.b...-interview.html

made me feel pretty gullible , i'll tell you!  


Cheers Bee.

cheers 1963.....I hadn't formed an opinion on it one way or the other....will take a look at your links.....


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[Slave2Fate]

TheMacGuffin, on 03 October 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

If I wanted to discredit UFOs completely, then I would flood the Internet with a bunch of fakes and disinformation, or just pay people to do it.

It's the same principle as recommended by the CIA's Robertson Panel in 1953, which is to use unreliable sources like sensational tabloid newspapers to run all kinds of phony UFO stories like "I married an alien" or something like that.  

Nowadays, they could send in someone to post Internet blogs and stories about how they are in contact with aliens or have been visiting ET planets, which is the same type of thing George Adamski and other "contactees" were trying to sell in the 1950s.  It's just a matter of adapting the same kinds of hoaxes and disinformation to a new medium.

Ever notice that UFO conferences often get flooded with all kinds of loonies who then get their brief moments of glory on the evening news?  It's the same thing again, and is designed to make the whole subject look kooky, bogus, lunatic fringe, etc.

While that is certainly one interpretation I think that plain old storytelling and tomfoolery are just as likely to be the case with most hoaxes. People like spinning a good yarn and stringing people along with their story. Even the people who know the story is false often enjoy the charade. Why do you think fiction authors can so successfully ply their trade?

As far as the 'loonies' at UFO conventions I think it is more about acceptance. It's a place where some can go to share a story (true or not) and in all likelihood find a connection with others with similar stories or events. That's how I see UFO conventions any way. More of a mingling place for those with common beliefs as opposed to some sort of information disclosure and dissemination event.