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#181    DieChecker

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 07:30 AM

View PostTau Ceti Xeta, on 27 July 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

You make it sound so easy.  "Quite possibly in 1 night".

Okay, now we are finally getting somewhere.  I am willing to help you out. For safety reasons make the - exact copy - during the day.
Perhaps you missed the posts on pages 1, 2 and 3 where a group of like 4 or 5 made a crop circle of comparable size and complexity?

I don't see anything in your Hackpen circle that would be especially hard to make.

Did you watch your own video link? The cross hatching shows all the signs of being done with boards. I'd ask that you go back to that video and watch the part where they are taking video on the ground, and look at the cross hatching especially.

View PostTau Ceti Xeta, on 27 July 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

Clearly, making an - exact copy - of the Hackpen Hill Crop Circle is impossible to do in 1 night.
What is clearly going on here is that without one bit of supporting evidence you are making definative declarations of Fact..... But, what you really have here is OPINION.

What if there were 100 people involved? Would it still be impossible?

Edited by DieChecker, 28 July 2013 - 07:35 AM.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 02:15 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 28 July 2013 - 07:30 AM, said:

Perhaps you missed the posts on pages 1, 2 and 3 where a group of like 4 or 5 made a crop circle of comparable size and complexity?

I don't see anything in your Hackpen circle that would be especially hard to make.

Did you watch your own video link? The cross hatching shows all the signs of being done with boards. I'd ask that you go back to that video and watch the part where they are taking video on the ground, and look at the cross hatching especially.


What is clearly going on here is that without one bit of supporting evidence you are making definative declarations of Fact..... But, what you really have here is OPINION.

What if there were 100 people involved? Would it still be impossible?

I think if you actually turned off your computer, walked out into a beautiful wheat field and took a good look around

at 9AM you would realize the futility of making an exact copy.

I'm thinking you should make a phone call to MIT.

Comment on their attempt to make a crop circle in 2002.  Then ask them if they could make an - exact copy - of the

Hackpen Hill Crop Circle in 4 hours.  See what they say.

How hard is it to make a phone call?

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 02:20 PM

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 02:27 PM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 27 July 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

Excellent, thank you.
Any outside of the cereal graffiti field corrobration? Was it in the newspapers? Did Donaldson from the Dairy go and have a shufty? Or are the only people talking about it from the cereal graffiti groups?

Yes, they wrote an article in the dailymail.

"The level of detail and perfection of it is astonishing."

http://www.dailymail...ield-wheat.html


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Posted 29 July 2013 - 02:29 PM

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Too late. The Dailymail has it firmly in the history books.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 06:04 PM

Very interesting design! I can't begin to imagine how crop artists make their job with such precision.

I'm still not convinced by crop circles, though.


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Posted 29 July 2013 - 06:17 PM

View PostVyers, on 29 July 2013 - 06:04 PM, said:

Very interesting design! I can't begin to imagine how crop artists make their job with such precision.

I'm still not convinced by crop circles, though.

The good news is that you have an open mind. :tu:


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Posted 29 July 2013 - 06:21 PM

Towards crop circles, not really.
I'm embarrassed to admit I used to think they were fake, manipulated pictures.
Do you have the picture of the one made by MIT students?


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Posted 29 July 2013 - 06:28 PM

View PostVyers, on 29 July 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

Towards crop circles, not really.
I'm embarrassed to admit I used to think they were fake, manipulated pictures.
Do you have the picture of the one made by MIT students?

MIT students try to build a crop circle in 4 hours.

The MIT newsoffice wrote about it.

http://web.mit.edu/n...crops-1009.html


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Posted 29 July 2013 - 09:13 PM

View PostTau Ceti Xeta, on 29 July 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

I think if you actually turned off your computer, walked out into a beautiful wheat field and took a good look around

at 9AM you would realize the futility of making an exact copy.

I'm thinking you should make a phone call to MIT.

Comment on their attempt to make a crop circle in 2002.  Then ask them if they could make an - exact copy - of the

Hackpen Hill Crop Circle in 4 hours.  See what they say.

How hard is it to make a phone call?

- I think i already know their response.  Do you? -

OK, I went out into a large wheat field and checked how hard it was to board down the wheat... not too hard.

I also called MIT and they said it should be easily replicatable and that it was only a matter of how many people were involved.

They told me that the attempt in 2002 was not with their best people....

Edited by DieChecker, 29 July 2013 - 09:15 PM.

Here at Intel we make processors on 12 inch wafers. And, the individual processors on the wafers are called die. And, I am employed to check these die. That is why I am the DieChecker.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 09:15 PM

View PostTau Ceti Xeta, on 29 July 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

MIT students try to build a crop circle in 4 hours.

The MIT newsoffice wrote about it.

http://web.mit.edu/n...crops-1009.html

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While everyone agrees that at least some crop circles are human-made hoaxes, the students learned from BLT staff that a "true" crop circle is marked not only by a complex and precise design, but by deformation of the grains of wheat and the presence of tiny iron molecules in the vicinity of the circle.
Was this documented at the Hackpen Hill site?

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The analysis team was justifiably impressed with the final product. When they had completed a battery of tests on the site, the circle was deemed on a par with any of the documented cases.

"After building what we consider a damn good crop circle with almost perfectly straight lines and an interesting geometry, I find it hard to put any faith in tales of crop circle construction by aliens," Rizzo said. "I think they are a result of free time, boredom and a good sense of humor."


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Posted 29 July 2013 - 09:25 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 29 July 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:


They told me that the attempt in 2002 was not with their best people....

That's what I assumed after wondering how many seasoned crop circle artists study at MIT.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 09:27 PM

View PostTau Ceti Xeta, on 29 July 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Yes, they wrote an article in the dailymail.

"The level of detail and perfection of it is astonishing."

http://www.dailymail...ield-wheat.html
Interesting.
So that's a nail in the "it's digitally manipulated" coffin.
Now, onto timescale. When was the last time prior to the discovery was the field surveyed from above/a point able to view the cereal graffiti? That'd give us a working period where the vandalism could be done.

There is IMO no obvious indication of a message though, even when you see (say) Arabic writing, you can tell it's writing and there's meant to be a message there by the context, cereal communication is so bereft of that context to be virtually meaningless as a means of communication.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 04:07 PM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 29 July 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

Interesting.
So that's a nail in the "it's digitally manipulated" coffin.
Now, onto timescale. When was the last time prior to the discovery was the field surveyed from above/a point able to view the cereal graffiti? That'd give us a working period where the vandalism could be done.

There is IMO no obvious indication of a message though, even when you see (say) Arabic writing, you can tell it's writing and there's meant to be a message there by the context, cereal communication is so bereft of that context to be virtually meaningless as a means of communication.

I think the - obvious message - is: Make an exact copy of this Hackpen Hill Crop Circle....if you can.

Make it during the day & Good Luck!


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Posted 08 August 2013 - 04:31 PM

View PostTau Ceti Xeta, on 08 August 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

I think the - obvious message - is: Make an exact copy of this Hackpen Hill Crop Circle....if you can.

Make it during the day & Good Luck!


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After spending a couple hours at the Hackpen site (on day one) it was pretty obvious that the physical evidence left on the ground clearly point to its origin as being very physical and very human in nature. The extensive pattern of crushing and creasing damage on the laid mature wheat plants within this circle was noted as  being fully consistent with heavy mechanical processes employed by human crop-crunching circle-fakers in the creation of their "art".

http://www.silentcir...hacked.pen.html

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