The Roswell Man Posted May 18, 2005 #1 Share Posted May 18, 2005 Stone age craftsmen in China were polishing jade objects using diamond 2,000 years before anyone else had the same idea, new evidence suggests. Quartz was previously thought to be the abrasive used to polish ceremonial axes in late stone age, or neolithic, China. But the investigations of a Chinese-US team of scientists indicate that quartz alone would not have been able to achieve such lustrous finishes. The team reports its diamond findings in the journal Archaeometry. Harvard University physicist Peter Lu and colleagues studied four ceremonial burial axes, the oldest of which dates to about 4,500 years ago. The team used X-ray diffraction and electron microprobe analysis. This determined that the most abundant mineral in the axes was corundum, known as ruby in its red form and sapphire in all other colours. Hard case The majority of prehistoric stone objects are traditionally thought to have been fashioned from rocks containing minerals no harder than quartz. But corundum is one of the hardest minerals known to science, second only to diamond. What the researchers found even more intriguing were the finely polished surfaces of the axes, which reflect an image like a mirror. To test their ideas, the researchers took a small stone sample from one of the axes, an artefact from the Liangzhou culture, and subjected it to polishing with diamond, alumina and silica, following modern techniques. The finely polished axes reflected an image like a mirror Using an atomic force microscope to examine the polished surfaces on a nanometre scale, the scientists found the diamond-polished surface most closely matched the surface from the ancient axe. Quartz could not have been the abrasive used by the ancient craftsmen. "Our understanding of the first use of diamond is based on textual evidence from 500 BC in India. But even that - though probably right - is speculative. This is physical evidence a couple of thousand years earlier," Dr Lu told the BBC News website. "Any experiment does not give you 100% certainty, but this is the only possibility that makes sense." However, even with the best modern polishing technologies available, the research team could not achieve a surface as flat and smooth as that on the ancient axe. The authors speculate that the use of diamond and corundum abrasives could be linked to an explosion in finely polished jade artefacts during the Chinese neolithic. The use of corundum could have slashed production times while diamond could have added the finishing touches, they suggest. Quartz, previously thought to have been the neolithic lapidary's abrasive of choice, is only slightly harder than jade souce: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4555235.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marduk Posted May 18, 2005 #2 Share Posted May 18, 2005 Stone age craftsmen in China were polishing jade objects using diamond 2,000 years before anyone else had the same idea, new evidence suggests. Quartz was previously thought to be the abrasive used to polish ceremonial axes in late stone age, or neolithic, China. But the investigations of a Chinese-US team of scientists indicate that quartz alone would not have been able to achieve such lustrous finishes. The team reports its diamond findings in the journal Archaeometry. Harvard University physicist Peter Lu and colleagues studied four ceremonial burial axes, the oldest of which dates to about 4,500 years ago. The team used X-ray diffraction and electron microprobe analysis. This determined that the most abundant mineral in the axes was corundum, known as ruby in its red form and sapphire in all other colours. Hard case The majority of prehistoric stone objects are traditionally thought to have been fashioned from rocks containing minerals no harder than quartz. But corundum is one of the hardest minerals known to science, second only to diamond. What the researchers found even more intriguing were the finely polished surfaces of the axes, which reflect an image like a mirror. To test their ideas, the researchers took a small stone sample from one of the axes, an artefact from the Liangzhou culture, and subjected it to polishing with diamond, alumina and silica, following modern techniques. The finely polished axes reflected an image like a mirror Using an atomic force microscope to examine the polished surfaces on a nanometre scale, the scientists found the diamond-polished surface most closely matched the surface from the ancient axe. Quartz could not have been the abrasive used by the ancient craftsmen. "Our understanding of the first use of diamond is based on textual evidence from 500 BC in India. But even that - though probably right - is speculative. This is physical evidence a couple of thousand years earlier," Dr Lu told the BBC News website. "Any experiment does not give you 100% certainty, but this is the only possibility that makes sense." However, even with the best modern polishing technologies available, the research team could not achieve a surface as flat and smooth as that on the ancient axe. The authors speculate that the use of diamond and corundum abrasives could be linked to an explosion in finely polished jade artefacts during the Chinese neolithic. The use of corundum could have slashed production times while diamond could have added the finishing touches, they suggest. Quartz, previously thought to have been the neolithic lapidary's abrasive of choice, is only slightly harder than jade souce: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4555235.stm 628064[/snapback] see, i told you there'd be an encore didn't I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Roswell Man Posted May 18, 2005 Author #3 Share Posted May 18, 2005 i was thinking when u were going to pick that up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marduk Posted May 18, 2005 #4 Share Posted May 18, 2005 i was thinking when u were going to pick that up 628147[/snapback] Next week I'm gonna have another go at the lottery numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odinson Posted May 19, 2005 #5 Share Posted May 19, 2005 see, i told you there'd be an encore didn't I 628122[/snapback] Yep, you did. Either you're a seer, or the Chinese are the creators of all civilization, art, crafts, science, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marduk Posted May 19, 2005 #6 Share Posted May 19, 2005 see, i told you there'd be an encore didn't I 628122[/snapback] Yep, you did. Either you're a seer, or the Chinese are the creators of all civilization, art, crafts, science, etc 629257[/snapback] I guess I'm a seer, or maybe i'm just chinese hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odinson Posted May 19, 2005 #7 Share Posted May 19, 2005 see, i told you there'd be an encore didn't I 628122[/snapback] Yep, you did. Either you're a seer, or the Chinese are the creators of all civilization, art, crafts, science, etc 629257[/snapback] I guess I'm a seer, or maybe i'm just chinese hehe 629266[/snapback] Well, if you're both, I'll have to call you the Fortune Cookie guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Roswell Man Posted May 19, 2005 Author #8 Share Posted May 19, 2005 or just plain flukey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marduk Posted May 19, 2005 #9 Share Posted May 19, 2005 (edited) or just plain flukey 629651[/snapback] Not really. sometimes archaeological departments in various countries get bored lets look at the three big discoveries in detail and see if theres a pattern 1) oldest homo fossil. so what next week they'll find one older in ireland 2) earliest civilisation 5000 years ago. so basically not as old as egypt then. so what 3) chinese first to use diamonds as a polishing tool. zzzzzzzzzzzzz see on their own they're all pretty minor league crap but three in a row woohoo surf that wave dudes i bet these three have been burning a hole in their pockets for months. see not a seer not chinese not flukey just cynical Edited May 19, 2005 by marduk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conspiracy Posted May 19, 2005 #10 Share Posted May 19, 2005 soooooooo almost everything IS made from china Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Roswell Man Posted May 20, 2005 Author #11 Share Posted May 20, 2005 hey guys just trying to post useful info jeez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marduk Posted May 20, 2005 #12 Share Posted May 20, 2005 hey guys just trying to post useful info jeez 631060[/snapback] you're being a bit paranoid today roswell man no ones having a go at you unless you're chinese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Roswell Man Posted May 20, 2005 Author #13 Share Posted May 20, 2005 got exams 2day plus housemate annoyed me 2day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marduk Posted May 20, 2005 #14 Share Posted May 20, 2005 go study Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Roswell Man Posted May 20, 2005 Author #15 Share Posted May 20, 2005 maybe while hunting the hunters were panseys and a little insecure of their looks lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marduk Posted May 20, 2005 #16 Share Posted May 20, 2005 maybe while hunting the hunters were panseys and a little insecure of their looks lol 631996[/snapback] uh oh somebody call this guy a doctor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Roswell Man Posted May 22, 2005 Author #17 Share Posted May 22, 2005 cant we take a joke lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marduk Posted May 22, 2005 #18 Share Posted May 22, 2005 cant we take a joke lol 634789[/snapback] maybe if i understood it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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