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[TheMacGuffin]

psyche101, on 11 December 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:

A lot of people like it, in fact Boon suggested it to me, so I downloaded it, but I was not as impressed. And one of the reasons is that which you have stated, she tends to regurgitate a lot, and try to put a scincey spin on it, but IMHO, fails.

We have fired on UFOs many times or at least attempted to, and I knew that decades ago.  We have many cases on record of UFOs being chased and acting in a very evasive manner, speeding up and outmaneuvering our planes.  That much is easy to prove based on the declassified records.  

Whether we ever had anything that could shoot them down is another story.  I have said many times that we have lost planes and pilots trying to do so.

[tipotep]

TheMacGuffin, on 11 December 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

We have fired on UFOs many times or at least attempted to, and I knew that decades ago.  We have many cases on record of UFOs being chased and acting in a very evasive manner, speeding up and outmaneuvering our planes.  That much is easy to prove based on the declassified records.  

Whether we ever had anything that could shoot them down is another story.  I have said many times that we have lost planes and pilots trying to do so.

Hey Mac ,

Is there any official records of planes crashing chasing after suspected UFO's , I have no doubt they wouldn't classify it as a UFO chase but give it some other explanation , have you read or researched any ufo sightings and plane crashes that can be put in the same area at the same time ?

TiP.

[PersonFromPorlock]

tipotep, on 11 December 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:

Hey Mac ,

Is there any official records of planes crashing chasing after suspected UFO's , I have no doubt they wouldn't classify it as a UFO chase but give it some other explanation , have you read or researched any ufo sightings and plane crashes that can be put in the same area at the same time ?

TiP.

The Mantell Incident is the classic one. http://en.wikipedia....ll_UFO_incident

[psyche101]

quillius, on 11 December 2012 - 11:10 AM, said:

I hope someone can help shed some light here..........

we discuss plasma as having many elements that UFO's do. Ranging from manouverability and/or sometimes appearing as a metalic solid object...

lets look at this answer by Erling Strand:

9/ In a recent interview, you have stated that “…you have had several daytime observations, where you have seen flying discs, etc…”Even if not related to the HP, could you please provide more details on such sightings? I have had only three daytime observations, so the word “several” is wrong. I have however seen several unexplainable “things”, – such which goes into another category than HP or ufo. Two of those three observations was a flying disc. The third was a “black hole”. I did not get the impression that I was looking onto a black object, it was more like a hole into something completely black. This “black hole” changed size all the time.
Thanks Erling for this interview and you success with your Project Hessdalen

my question is this....why does Erling Strand not treat the flying discs he witnessed as possibly the HP? since the HP can take the shape of a saucer etc etc.........

at the moment I tend to think its a bit premature to try and link solid flying objects (not just light sources) as plasma when there is obviously some distinct differences between metalic particles collecting and appearing as a solid object versus some of the flying objects witnessed around the world. At least an expert in the HP thinks there is a difference......

I would agree with him. We do not know if the phenomena he has observed is restricted to Hessdalen, and from the many reports, it would seem not. Yet the constant UAP that re viewed at Hessdalen do seem to be connected by some unknown factor then keeps a specific aspect bound to that part of the country. He does not say that he thinks the UAP are even physical, he only states this is one form that he has only observed three times, and being metallic in appearance differs form phenomena seen more regularly.

But how different is it? Is the difference only aesthetic? I think that is the question.

[psyche101]

TheMacGuffin, on 11 December 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

That's why I put "Green Fireballs" in quotes, because only some of them were, and this turned out to be an investigation of all kinds of UFOs.

That term "Green Fireballs" is no more accurate than "flying saucer".

I am sure it is the source of confusion, I know it confuses me from time to time.

And interesting to see how the evolution happened from just green fireballs into much more. Thanks for making us all aware of this aspect.

Edited by psyche101, 12 December 2012 - 02:24 AM.

[TheMacGuffin]

tipotep, on 11 December 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:

Hey Mac ,

Is there any official records of planes crashing chasing after suspected UFO's , I have no doubt they wouldn't classify it as a UFO chase but give it some other explanation , have you read or researched any ufo sightings and plane crashes that can be put in the same area at the same time ?

TiP.

One of the classic cases was the F-94 crash in Walesville, NY, when the UFO disabled the fighter that was sent after it and the plane crashed, killing some people in the ground.  There are quite a few cases from the 1950s, when Eisenhower had Air Defense Command get very aggressive with the UFOs.

If there is some kind of Cold War with UFOs, I have always suspected that there was an escalation at that time, for whatever reason.  As far as I have ever been able to determine, the UFOs over Washington in the summer of 1952 seems to have provoked a more aggressive response from the US military.  

If you look at a lot of  the UFO reports from that time, they aren't even going to Blue Book at all, or at least only as an afterthought, they are going to the Pentagon and to Air Defense Command.


http://www.google.co...354675689,d.eWU

[TheMacGuffin]

I also get the impression that at this time there were requests from lower down the military chain of command to start getting more aggressive with these UFOs.  Even during the "green fireballs" investigation, there were requests from the military for permission to open fire on them, and shortly after this Gen. William Mathaney came up with his plan to "pounce" the UFOs.  

There seems to have been a debate going on behind the scenes over whether there was any way to shoot them down, given their speed and maneuverability, but I suspect that by 1953 they had a really clear directive from Eisenhower to shoot them down if they kept up all these airspace violations and didn't respond the radio messages.  

I have always thought that they were listening in on our own communications, but getting any kind of response was very unusual.  

I recall one case from the 1950s where a UFO seemed to know the name of the pilot that was chasing it and actually said it a couple times on the radio, in a very creepy voice.

[Keegan Gene]

There is footage, Stone carvings and many other mediums throughout our past as a species up until the present, the explanation lies in thousands of documented accounts over thousands of years, the answers lie in our religions.

If you are really interested in this check this out, a clip from my collected research material.



Nasa footage on request, hit me up?

[psyche101]

[quillius]

psyche101, on 12 December 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

I would agree with him. We do not know if the phenomena he has observed is restricted to Hessdalen, and from the many reports, it would seem not. Yet the constant UAP that re viewed at Hessdalen do seem to be connected by some unknown factor then keeps a specific aspect bound to that part of the country. He does not say that he thinks the UAP are even physical, he only states this is one form that he has only observed three times, and being metallic in appearance differs form phenomena seen more regularly.

But how different is it? Is the difference only aesthetic? I think that is the question.

dont get this Psyche?....he says that what he observed doesnt come into the HP, I am sure he doesnt mean location wise.......so the question is why would he not consider it to be the HP?

I dont think it differs because of those seen regularly otherwise no metalic appearance would constitute the HP, but it does rare or not

[Sweetpumper]

Keegan Gene, on 12 December 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

There is footage, Stone carvings and many other mediums throughout our past as a species up until the present, the explanation lies in thousands of documented accounts over thousands of years, the answers lie in our religions.

If you are really interested in this check this out, a clip from my collected research material.



Nasa footage on request, hit me up?

They are having a fascinating discussion in the ancient aliens thread.  You should check it out and stuff.

[DONTEATUS]

THat is So Old world B.S.!

[psyche101]

quillius, on 12 December 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

dont get this Psyche?....he says that what he observed doesnt come into the HP, I am sure he doesnt mean location wise.......so the question is why would he not consider it to be the HP?

I dont think it differs because of those seen regularly otherwise no metalic appearance would constitute the HP, but it does rare or not

Why is HP called HP?

I think what he is seeing is something he considers wider than HP, and quite possibly another form of UAP. The appearance also gives the indication of the UFO phenomena, therefore worldwide, and not restricted to Hessdalen.

But then again, after more information, he may label this HP type 2. It's all pretty much up on the air ATM. Pun intended

Sweetpumper, on 12 December 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

They are having a fascinating discussion in the ancient aliens thread.  You should check it out and stuff.

Thanks mate.

[DONTEATUS]

What is a "HP" again?

[psyche101]

DONTEATUS, on 13 December 2012 - 03:51 AM, said:

What is a "HP" again?

Itz a puter

Itz a printer!

Or Hessdalen Phenomena