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#16    Mr Walker

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 12:23 AM

View Postscowl, on 29 May 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

You would be a fantastic car salesman, Mr. Walker.

Na! I'm too honest. I'd tell people all the flaws in a car . I have been offered a job as a funeral director lol. Based on the way I relate to the deceased and the grieving, and on the quality of my eulogies for the deceased.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 12:29 AM

View PostSpock_the_Future, on 29 May 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

:whistle:



I Agree !!!! :clap:


The physical connection to a physical god is similar to a person, deaf since birth, receiving a cochlear implant and being able to hear the world around them. It not only transforms them physically, but the result of the connection transforms and empowers them  on every level.

The "god" I speak of is not christian muslim etc., but the universal cosmic consciousness; very real, very physical and very interactive.

I understand your skepticism. It is like a deaf person being told how he  will be able to hear for the first time in his life, but not yet able to hear. Not just skepticism, but complete incomprehension of what that would be like, and what it would mean  for them, would be a normal reaction...

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:27 PM

View PostMr Walker, on 30 May 2013 - 12:29 AM, said:

The physical connection to a physical god is similar to a person, deaf since birth, receiving a cochlear implant and being able to hear the world around them. It not only transforms them physically, but the result of the connection transforms and empowers them  on every level.

The "god" I speak of is not christian muslim etc., but the universal cosmic consciousness; very real, very physical and very interactive.

I understand your skepticism. It is like a deaf person being told how he  will be able to hear for the first time in his life, but not yet able to hear. Not just skepticism, but complete incomprehension of what that would be like, and what it would mean  for them, would be a normal reaction...

Well I wouldn't dare discuss the topic with you as you are declaring not discussing. You have already declared me as ignorant (the deaf analogy).

Anyway what if I say the same to you (And I also do understand your Theism as I was one (It's what my parent's taught me, wanted me to be, since childhood, my brother still tries to, I've heard all that you are trying to preach, but then I doubt that you ever were an Atheist so maybe You don't understand my skepticism) ? What if when you hear it is the sound of there being no GOD, would that be a complete incomprehension of there being existence of nothing that you deafly (pun intended) believe ?

GOD has always been Christian or Muslim or Hindu maybe (too many there) , which ones are Vengeful and ask to cleanse the earth of non-believers ? I can't say but this is religion for you !!!! You need a Vengeful GOD ?

And Yes these comment of mine is very much off topic so sorry. You don't need to reply to that if you don't want to.

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 01:53 AM

View PostSpock_the_Future, on 31 May 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

Well I wouldn't dare discuss the topic with you as you are declaring not discussing. You have already declared me as ignorant (the deaf analogy).

Anyway what if I say the same to you (And I also do understand your Theism as I was one (It's what my parent's taught me, wanted me to be, since childhood, my brother still tries to, I've heard all that you are trying to preach, but then I doubt that you ever were an Atheist so maybe You don't understand my skepticism) ? What if when you hear it is the sound of there being no GOD, would that be a complete incomprehension of there being existence of nothing that you deafly (pun intended) believe ?

GOD has always been Christian or Muslim or Hindu maybe (too many there) , which ones are Vengeful and ask to cleanse the earth of non-believers ? I can't say but this is religion for you !!!! You need a Vengeful GOD ?

And Yes these comment of mine is very much off topic so sorry. You don't need to reply to that if you don't want to.

Spock The Future.
I am not responsible for how or why you respond to my words. I did not intend to compare you dispararagingly with a deaf person. I just used a practical analogy we could both understand. it is not disparaging to call a deaf person deaf, it is a fact of life.Ii do not see a deaf person as less than a hearing person, but they have a disability which limits their percetion of and interaction with their world My assumtoon is tha t99% of peol born deaf would prefer to be avble to hear.

I ws not only an atheist but a secular  humanist for my  early life The sound of no god is normal for most people but it  isa form of deafness to an external reality whic exists. What peole make of god depends on what sort of god they construct and what sort of person they are. Id hope from reading my posts you could tell that my god is loving kind intelligent and doing his best to imrove me ""My god" is the god of pagans, animists, druids, gaens, muslims, christians, jews, sikhs jainists and atheists etc. but atheists just dont know it yet.

Edited by Mr Walker, 02 June 2013 - 01:57 AM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 08:04 PM

View PostMr Walker, on 02 June 2013 - 01:53 AM, said:

Id hope from reading my posts you could tell that my god is loving kind intelligent and doing his best to imrove me ""My god" is the god of pagans, animists, druids, gaens, muslims, christians, jews, sikhs jainists and atheists etc. but atheists just dont know it yet.

Hi Mr. Walker,

So  when you say my god it means that SHE/HE is your personal GOD and is doing your best to improve you. We call it unconscious mind. Even Theist cannot know your personal GOD let alone Atheists, SHE/HE is as personal to you as invisible friends are for children, they cannot be shared.

And as I said earlier you don't leave room for discussion, You always declare, Please don't mind me saying this but it seems to me as the case with you.

Finally I Agree that you cannot be responsible for how or why I respond to your words, I am the one responsible for my Words and Actions and you for yours.

Spock The Future

And a lie, Mr. Mulder, is most convincingly hidden between two truths.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:04 PM

So honestly isn't it about personal freedom and our own believes as Mr. Walker undoubtedly prove. He has his own belief system, thus his own GOD. Why try to make me believe the same ? I won't ever try to dissuade him not to believe, why try to make me believe and try to force me to it ?.

This is what I never liked and expected (I'll tell you) from my family. When I joined the forum I treat you all like the same (Like Family). Let's have different views, share them, try and convince and not try to force with holier then thou attitude.

Try and understand, I am ready to try and understand the views of my Theists friends till the time they do not start to declare themselves as ultimate salvation. I don't declare mine as one, I just say I believe there is no GOD, I am not forcing you to believe otherwise, if my reasons seem good enough to you then think about it, don't follow me, just follow yourself and your thinking, otherwise follow the priests you like, who am I to say otherwise ?

Most fights and killings We had were because of religion since ancient times. There is a religion being practiced now whom almost all the terrorists follow and who consider religion above nation and peace (You all know which one, convert and kill the ones who won't convert they say !), Still politicians need to have votes and these people breed like rabbits (They do !!), So democracy goes bust. Would I still want a religion on earth unless it teaches a peaceful way of life ? something which is on you alone and where WE like Mr. Walker decide who your own personal GOD is and allows US to pursue your own way of enlightenment and attain peace with all of mankind ?

Or do you want to be dictated about what and who you should believe (Or else treated as enemy)  by your so called enlightened priests ?

You tell me !

And a lie, Mr. Mulder, is most convincingly hidden between two truths.

I am a bad subject for polls, I believe almost anything.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:05 AM

View PostSpock_the_Future, on 29 May 2013 - 08:03 PM, said:

This is that is required I guess and no religious doctrines get there, they do preach it but never practice it


This is not fault of the religious doctrines, but fault of the people who claim to adhere to it yet in the same time perverse it as much as they can. Make no mistake, if you believe in God and his Enemy, you will understand that Devil does everything in its power to stop or misguide message of God, and best way is to gradually mix lies with truth. For example, if you look into catholic doctrines, and behaviour, it is far away from teachings of Christ, yet that Church claims to be based on Him!
That is the same reason Hebrew officials decided to remove Jesus to preserve their tradition based on Torah. Although teachings of Christ were completely in accordance with Torah. Even when they knew His works couldn't be done without help of God, they still rebuked Him and denied Him. Don't you see the pattern there?

View PostSpock_the_Future, on 29 May 2013 - 08:03 PM, said:

And I Agree when you say " because merely verbally declaring someone's faith isn't getting someone into heaven". You let someone else take the fall for the crimes that humanity did and make that a religion ? Then what is the basis for that religion ? Next time humanity does more crimes let some or other Goat take the blame for it, suffer and die and we all are washed off our sins ?


No human is forced to transfer the blame to scapegoat. You can do your best to live by Justice, but at the end, you will be judged according to your deeds. Crist came us to teach that there are some things you can do even above the requirements of law, and those things are mercy and humility. I believe you don't have children of your own? If you did, you would understand how normal is to forgive your children and take their blame on yourself, instead of punishing them every time they break your rule.

I find it hard to understand that people have very sound understanding of parents-child relationship, yet cannot comprehend God- humans relationship, although they are so similar.

View PostSpock_the_Future, on 29 May 2013 - 08:03 PM, said:

And sins, Christianity starts with Original sin, does it not ? so even a baby needs to repent when born, and who gets to decide what is sin and blasphemy ?

No, Christianity teaches children are without sin. But again, Catholic church has perverted that and made up story about Originas Sin, although Jesus himself clearly stated that children are innocent.


View PostSpock_the_Future, on 29 May 2013 - 08:03 PM, said:

The power hungry priests ? Clergy ? Have you ever stopped and counted the number of Child abuses done by the Clergy ? and they still maintain their posts. Is that not Sin and deserve punishment ? Why do you people let them continue ? Throw them out for your religion's sake and then tell me that your religion teaches all that you are telling me that it does. Show them cause and consequence first.

What some fallen members of clergy do to children is despicable, and such monsters deserve every punishment for their actions. But this is also perversion of Gods will, because clergy should be able to marry to woman and have lawful sexual relationships, that would certainly decrease such cases.
But you can't judge the christian faith because of shortcomings of some people who claim to be christian yet behave like ungodly beasts.  Same thing goes for every religion, it is really irrelevant what faith someone says to believe in, God knows heart of men, and judges accordingly.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:20 PM

View PostAmalthe, on 05 June 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

This is not fault of the religious doctrines, but fault of the people who claim to adhere to it yet in the same time perverse it as much as they can. Make no mistake, if you believe in God and his Enemy, you will understand that Devil does everything in its power to stop or misguide message of God, and best way is to gradually mix lies with truth. For example, if you look into catholic doctrines, and behaviour, it is far away from teachings of Christ, yet that Church claims to be based on Him!
That is the same reason Hebrew officials decided to remove Jesus to preserve their tradition based on Torah. Although teachings of Christ were completely in accordance with Torah. Even when they knew His works couldn't be done without help of God, they still rebuked Him and denied Him. Don't you see the pattern there?
Well therein maybe lies the logic. People quoting GOD and perversing it ! How are you different ? Hmmm...... You say that SHE/HE was quoted wrong and the same makes you different ! Who wrote the doctrines and message of so called GOD may I ask ? We people (or the angels or the apostles ) ? Were you there when it was done ? any solid proof it terms of there being photos or videos as is asked in this forum ? And are you sure that they were not in the Influence of Devil when they wrote it ? You tell me. GOD and HER/HIS Enemy (Created by HER/HIM of course, Lucifer ha... ha...). So GOD Creates HER/HIS enemy so that we can argue over it and feel glad somewhere ? Well we can have a discussion here lasting eternity (Pun Intended).

View PostAmalthe, on 05 June 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

No human is forced to transfer the blame to scapegoat. You can do your best to live by Justice, but at the end, you will be judged according to your deeds. Crist came us to teach that there are some things you can do even above the requirements of law, and those things are mercy and humility. I believe you don't have children of your own? If you did, you would understand how normal is to forgive your children and take their blame on yourself, instead of punishing them every time they break your rule.

I find it hard to understand that people have very sound understanding of parents-child relationship, yet cannot comprehend God- humans relationship, although they are so similar.
So GOD is a parent who send HER/HIS child to suffer the sins committed by Humanity and instead of coming down HER/HIM self and not send HER/HIS own single child to suffer the pain (As A good parent let me take the blame and suffer and be beaten by whips and be crucified and not my beloved child Jesus as you say !), And should I tell you what Jesus had to suffer ? Me being a parent would I allow that to happen to my own child ? what are you trying to say here  ? Explain GOD's relationship with HER/HIS own pure and most loved son Jesus who was tortured while that could be stopped by An all powerful GOD ? Is that being a Good Parent ? Let the good child who can do the most Good be Killed for someone, who are Us the ignorant and sometimes Atheist people who you know will never understand and those who do become priests who are The Theists, try and become all powerful by becoming religious freaks ? Would they ever realize and Tell themselves that they represent the unfortunate child Jesus and deem that whatever was said or whatever was written in that backward century is right ? That stupid Idiot called GOD who just let HER/HIS Son be slaughtered is Happy now and listens to the bigoted priest and lets her/him decide who dies as a witch or warlock or not ( !! They would be forced to kiss my feet the priest thinks because of the power of fear of GOD that I Wield. Them being the utmost decision maker in the early 20K for the religion !!!!!!!!, ,it still is the case in this so called scientific century ? Or Is SHE/HE not the all knowing one ? stop kidding yourself.


View PostAmalthe, on 05 June 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

No, Christianity teaches children are without sin. But again, Catholic church has perverted that and made up story about Originas Sin, although Jesus himself clearly stated that children are innocent.

Well there you are and you did read the Bible eh ?


View PostAmalthe, on 05 June 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

What some fallen members of clergy do to children is despicable, and such monsters deserve every punishment for their actions. But this is also perversion of Gods will, because clergy should be able to marry to woman and have lawful sexual relationships, that would certainly decrease such cases.
But you can't judge the christian faith because of shortcomings of some people who claim to be christian yet behave like ungodly beasts.  Same thing goes for every religion, it is really irrelevant what faith someone says to believe in, God knows heart of men, and judges accordingly.

Why are these fallen members still not thrown out ? Why do they still continue and get to better and upward posts ? Where is the punishment ?

So you think they should marry ! Then why is the management so backward and unthoughtful ? They still cover and employ them. Beasts they are, and are actually the followers of the Enemy of GOD ? and yet they are still free to preach the word of so called GOD ?

There is one religion that I can quote (I would be reprimanded on the forum if I name that religion) can justify all the killings that they do (They are told that they will have 72 virgins in heaven !!), Are you going to compare with them and say you are better ? Does being less bad then the worst that there can be, makes your religion better ?

Can't say that I understand, then It's just me, there are multitude of opinions about it. Who knows who is right, at least I do not wish to force you based on fear mongering about going to hell to make me believe you. All the religions I know do that.

Edited by Spock_the_Future, 05 June 2013 - 08:31 PM.

And a lie, Mr. Mulder, is most convincingly hidden between two truths.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:06 PM

Not being entirely understood and being preached every now and then. This is actually the issue. This is what I call "The Repercussions of being an Atheist".

I never force you. Why does the religious people try to force the issue down my throat ? Live and let live !! What happened to that ?

Edited by Spock_the_Future, 05 June 2013 - 09:06 PM.

And a lie, Mr. Mulder, is most convincingly hidden between two truths.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 09:46 AM

View PostSpock_the_Future, on 05 June 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

Not being entirely understood and being preached every now and then. This is actually the issue. This is what I call "The Repercussions of being an Atheist".

I never force you. Why does the religious people try to force the issue down my throat ? Live and let live !! What happened to that ?

I'm sorry mr. Spock, but if you look at my first post, I simply explained to you why are you experiencing what you experience, and I gave you direct advice, to read and quote Epistle of Romans, whenever your family is bothering you. I did not enter any sort of preaching, but obviously you are the one who has issues and has need to solve them with this community. If you think my statements are bothering you or seem preachy, feel free to say so and i will not bother you, i got enough things to hunt in my swamp :D
Still your last reply will require some clarification.

View PostSpock_the_Future, on 05 June 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

Well therein maybe lies the logic. People quoting GOD and perversing it ! How are you different ? Hmmm...... You say that SHE/HE was quoted wrong and the same makes you different ! Who wrote the doctrines and message of so called GOD may I ask ? We people (or the angels or the apostles ) ? Were you there when it was done ? any solid proof it terms of there being photos or videos as is asked in this forum ? And are you sure that they were not in the Influence of Devil when they wrote it ? You tell me. GOD and HER/HIS Enemy (Created by HER/HIM of course, Lucifer ha... ha...). So GOD Creates HER/HIS enemy so that we can argue over it and feel glad somewhere ? Well we can have a discussion here lasting eternity (Pun Intended).
The same questions were asked in beginning of Christianity. And different people gave different answers, their doctrines were different in different cities, although they received same message from apostles. This problem was specifically adressed by Paul and other apostles in several epistles. However, one thing you seem to miss the whole time. Power of Christianity doesn't lie in theology, doctrines or philosophical answers. Power of Christianity lies in supernatural displays of Gods love. That was the only reason Christianity spread so quickly and thoroughly, when you saw the work of God in your life, you left no doubt.
You are free to believe whatever you choose, and it doesn't matter, you will be judged by your decisions and actions. My only desire is to explain that existance of God, who is loving and caring, who gave His Son to be sacrified, doesn't contradict current state of the world and doesn't have logical errors, hence it is possible. I'm not trying to prove it is probable.

View PostSpock_the_Future, on 05 June 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

So GOD is a parent who send HER/HIS child to suffer the sins committed by Humanity and instead of coming down HER/HIM self and not send HER/HIS own single child to suffer the pain (As A good parent let me take the blame and suffer and be beaten by whips and be crucified and not my beloved child Jesus as you say !)

God IS the one who has been beaten and crucified. He didn't send someone else, He went the whole way.

View PostSpock_the_Future, on 05 June 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:


And should I tell you what Jesus had to suffer ? Me being a parent would I allow that to happen to my own child ?what are you trying to say here  ?


I assume you would take the blame for your child, like God did.

View PostSpock_the_Future, on 05 June 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

  Explain GOD's relationship with HER/HIS own pure and most loved son Jesus who was tortured while that could be stopped by An all powerful GOD ? Is that being a Good Parent ?
If God would have forcefully stopped torture of Jesus, then Satans actions would be able to separate God and men for eternity. Jesus death meant that God and men can finally be reconciled.

View PostSpock_the_Future, on 05 June 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

Let the good child who can do the most Good be Killed for someone, who are Us the ignorant and sometimes Atheist people who you know will never understand and those who do become priests who are The Theists, try and become all powerful by becoming religious freaks ? Would they ever realize and Tell themselves that they represent the unfortunate child Jesus and deem that whatever was said or whatever was written in that backward century is right ?
Again, as i said, God doesn't divide people according to their beliefs. God doesn't support mindless hate outbursts of fanatical theists of any sort. Can't you understand that principles of God are humility and sacrifice, and that is only thing that matters to God?

View PostSpock_the_Future, on 05 June 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

That stupid Idiot called GOD who just let HER/HIS Son be slaughtered is Happy now and listens to the bigoted priest and lets her/him decide who dies as a witch or warlock or not ( !! They would be forced to kiss my feet the priest thinks because of the power of fear of GOD that I Wield. Them being the utmost decision maker in the early 20K for the religion !!!!!!!!, ,it still is the case in this so called scientific century ? Or Is SHE/HE not the all knowing one ? stop kidding yourself.


Bigoted priests who burn people to death are not doing Gods will, they follow the religion of Satan, which is way older than any Abrahamic religion. Don't you find it strange for instance that 99% of rituals in Catholic church have pagan origin? That shows you who is the true master of their doctrines. God does not go around and punish people for their sins or what not.That is a concept that humans have very hard time to understand, because we all have experiences with cause and effect law. Remember, once disciples asked Jesus about man blind from birth: "who's guilt is that this man is blind, is it his parents fault or his fault?" Even disciples couldn't take their mind out of that circle. Do you know what Jesus replied?

View PostSpock_the_Future, on 05 June 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

Well there you are and you did read the Bible eh ?
It seems that you also could use a little reading to better fortify your standpoints :) Matthew 18:1 and Mark 10:14 are exaples of what i wrote.


View PostSpock_the_Future, on 05 June 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

Why are these fallen members still not thrown out ? Why do they still continue and get to better and upward posts ? Where is the punishment ?
As I said, after 2K years of Satan manipulation, system is corrupt. Such individuals should be put to trial and in punishment.

View PostSpock_the_Future, on 05 June 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

So you think they should marry ! Then why is the management so backward and unthoughtful ? They still cover and employ them. Beasts they are, and are actually the followers of the Enemy of GOD ? and yet they are still free to preach the word of so called GOD ?

There is one religion that I can quote (I would be reprimanded on the forum if I name that religion) can justify all the killings that they do (They are told that they will have 72 virgins in heaven !!), Are you going to compare with them and say you are better ? Does being less bad then the worst that there can be, makes your religion better ?

You really should calm down when you get to forums :) No religion is better then any other in terms of assurance of goodness. God judges by heart, not by vocation or religious group.

View PostSpock_the_Future, on 05 June 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

Can't say that I understand, then It's just me, there are multitude of opinions about it. Who knows who is right, at least I do not wish to force you based on fear mongering about going to hell to make me believe you. All the religions I know do that.

You know in your heart what is right. Every day when you have to make moral decision, you know what is right thing to do. And fear mongering is absolutely wrong way to make people believe, but that is what happens when religion looses its supernatural abilities to motivate humans.This effect happens in any type of organization, not only religious. But true faith motivates people by love and humility and good example. So try to find something like that in your environment, any you will know that's where God is present.


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 09:55 AM

View PostAmalthe, on 06 June 2013 - 09:46 AM, said:

If God would have forcefully stopped torture of Jesus, then Satans actions would be able to separate God and men for eternity. Jesus death meant that God and men can finally be reconciled.
What was Satan's actions pray tell? It certainly wasn't thirst for blood, that goes to God.


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 04:46 PM

View PostMr Walker, on 02 June 2013 - 01:53 AM, said:

"My god" is the god of pagans, animists, druids, gaens, muslims, christians, jews, sikhs jainists and atheists etc. but atheists just dont know it yet.

I resent that.  No you can't declare your god to be mine also.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 04:57 PM

View PostAmalthe, on 06 June 2013 - 09:46 AM, said:

Bigoted priests who burn people to death are not doing Gods will, they follow the religion of Satan, which is way older than any Abrahamic religion. Don't you find it strange for instance that 99% of rituals in Catholic church have pagan origin? That shows you who is the true master of their doctrines.

Repulsive statement, how patronising, how smug and self righteous, and how totaly wrong. Those priests were Christians and they murdered people because they did the "will" of their non existant god. Do not insult anybody with this garbage that anything bad done in the name of Christianity is actually paganism or the work of satan. How ridiculous, how insulting, how typical of Christian apologists.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 05:26 PM

Only online for a few min.. so will say whats running through my mind as it runs through it, without editing, so hope everyone can follow!

I think when it comes to Christians, their faith is just that.. faith. From the very beginning (not mankind, but from birth, ours).. we need other people, as an infant you needed someone to feed you, care for you, as you grew you learned about being in groups, being judged. As early as 4 yrs of age (watched a documentary bout it today, with Morgan Freeman!) children will do things in order to 'belong' or 'fit in' as they become self aware.

We carry these thought processes with us till the day we die. In general, when you are in a family that is religious, they depend on one another, sort of a 'group mentality', in order to help feed one anothers faith. We all do it in one way or another, it is just the way we are, the way we are brought up. Maybe it has to to do with our genetic makeup, to belong..

SO here you are, suddenly (to them) outside the group mentality.. the family way of doing/thinking. It is not something simple like a dress style or something, it is major, for them, life affirming thing.. it is religious.

Part of them believes they will go to heaven, or at least.. have a damn good shot at it. Now, if you do not believe, how will YOU get to heaven? If you are not in heaven, how will they feel? They are taught that they will be happy and overjoyed to be in heave, that tears and fears will be done away with, yet at the same time, there is that tiny bit of doubt.. enough to where they think they will be sad in heaven without you, and doubt for that, when they believe god will take away pain.. can lead to doubt and uncertanty in other things, and so they run into a few little logical issues that does not work well with 'faith' in god.

ergo, they need you to believe as they do.

Thats my thoughts on it, and each family and person are different, but in general, this group/family mentality is a major issue where religious beleifs are concerned.

My kids are lucky, I am agnostic/atheist.. they were not brought up religiously at all. I just said 'look at different things and make your own mind up'. They are agnostic, by their choice, they tried different faiths, from southern baptist to budism.

I never denied them any faith, if they needed rides to a church, I gave them. I had no issues with it at all, and sitll do not. I figure that if this is the ONLY life I have, then it is the only life others have, and I will be damned if I will make other people miserable in any way shape or form.

Which means, if they are religious, I will respect them their faith, I will not follow it, nor will I permit them to 'preach' at me, but I will show respect when we sit at a dinner table together and they want to say grace, I remain silent with my head bowed.. if they say they are praying for me because I am sick, I thank them politely and smile because they cannot hear my thoughts :P

I do feel bad for those angsty religious people who cannot show respect to others who do not believe. I feel bad for them because something must be horribly wrong with their 'faith', if they cannot allow others their rights to a non faith.

Something is wrong when you feel a need to make others believe as you do and cannot show them the respect you wish them to show you.

Thats my opinion on the whole thing.

I go my own way, and even when they show lack of respect, i keep giving it, but show up less often.. eventually they get it, because I do not argue/discuss with them. I just thank them for their thoughts and change the subject.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 05:35 PM

These topics always make me shake my head and roll my eyes. (So I should stay out of them right?)

There are just as many repercussions of being an atheist as there are for being a vegetarian, or homeschooler, or Yankees fan, or wearing unfashionable clothing, or voting for the "wrong" candidate or anything someone doesn't agree with.

Some people aren't going to like how you do things and will try to change you.  That statement is such a basic kindergarten lesson it amazes me when people don't accept it as fact, no matter what the topic.

If you are an adult, act like an adult already. Say "I'm not interested in discussing religion with you," or some such and change the subject. If they won't change the subject, leave.

If you're a kid, suck it up until you're 18 and then move out.

It really mystifies me that some people believe they have some right to do whatever they want in life and no one is allowed to say anything against them ever. Ridiculous.

If you're an atheist, stop giving religion so much power. It's no different than someone urging you to vote for the other guy on American Idol or whatever.

Embrace the impossible.




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