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#46    Simbi Laveau

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:21 PM

View PostSakari, on 14 December 2012 - 04:15 PM, said:






Since you enjoy looking at me so much, I thought I should share a pic with you that is more current,( and how I have looked for 15 years 99% of the time ) and not as bad. I do not have hair, and I sure the hell do not look like a cop. But hey, I could care less what people think about how I look, although you seem to like it, so here ya go :)

And your right, that picture makes me look fat, and for that I will change it back to just Sakari...Poor girl does not need some fat slob next to her.
dude ....is it me,or is there some sort of skull face in your photo ,right next to your motorcycle .
****,throw some holy water on it .
You know what they say,there are two kinds of motorcycles .
The ones that have had an accident ,and the ones that are going to have an accident .
SSeriously .there an apparition in the pic. Unless you out it there .lol


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:26 PM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 14 December 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

dude ....is it me,or is there some sort of skull face in your photo ,right next to your motorcycle .
****,throw some holy water on it .
You know what they say,there are two kinds of motorcycles .
The ones that have had an accident ,and the ones that are going to have an accident .
SSeriously .there an apparition in the pic. Unless you out it there .lol


Yes Simbi, there is a " ORB " there :)

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As long as you are very defensive, and pay attention to what others are doing, and thinking ahead, you are fine....Been in one accident.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:34 PM

View PostOdin11, on 14 December 2012 - 06:34 AM, said:

No they don't, some people just think their rights are more then what they are. The 1st amendment does not give you the right to do and say what ever you want. The 4th amendment does not give you the right to resisted arrest. And the 5th amendment does not give you the right to not answer police when they question you.
Well I'll have to defer to your defense to this very reply.  I never said that.

But what you're suggesting here is that Americans don't exercise their 1st Amendment, 4th Amendment, or 5th Amendment rights?   That's an incredible statement and I seriously doubt you actually believe that.

I do have the right not to answer police when they question me.   I don't have the right to lie to them, or any other monkey business that isn't covered by the 5th (see your reply to me for more), but in stating what you think is the law, you got that one wrong.  The 4th amendment has nothing to do with resisting arrest; it has plenty to do with resisting search and seizure.  The first Amendment exists to protect controversial and unpopular statements; not uncontroversial and popular ones that don't need protection.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:03 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 14 December 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

Actualy thats exactly what the 5th gives you the right to do.


yes, corrcet.and also according to the video, and how it is in court, if you are proven wrong once, everything else you said, even truth, wont matter.

Edited by aztek, 14 December 2012 - 06:03 PM.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 02:52 AM

View PostYamato, on 14 December 2012 - 05:34 PM, said:

Well I'll have to defer to your defense to this very reply.  I never said that.

But what you're suggesting here is that Americans don't exercise their 1st Amendment, 4th Amendment, or 5th Amendment rights?   That's an incredible statement and I seriously doubt you actually believe that.

I do have the right not to answer police when they question me.   I don't have the right to lie to them, or any other monkey business that isn't covered by the 5th (see your reply to me for more), but in stating what you think is the law, you got that one wrong.  The 4th amendment has nothing to do with resisting arrest; it has plenty to do with resisting search and The 4th amendment has nothing to do with resisting arrest.  The first Amendment exists to protect controversial and unpopular statements; not uncontroversial and popular ones that don't need protection.

I know you did not, my point is some people break the law and think the amendments protect them.

No, I'm suggesting that Americans don't understand their Amendment rights.

If you're out in public and you do something and police come up to you to ask question about why you're doing what you're doing, you have to cooperate with them. You can’t ignore them and say nothing. That’s what I meant.

I know the 4th amendment has nothing to do with resisting arrest, but that’s my point. In too many videos, I see people walking away or jerking away from police trying to question them. Then when the police take them down other people start screaming about false arrest, its not.

All I meant with the 1st amendment is that you can’t obstruct traffic, yell fire at the movies, or things like that, yet some people think you can.


Edited by Odin11, 15 December 2012 - 02:53 AM.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 03:00 AM

"When used to compel obedience."

Disobedience = Freedom

Obedience = Enslavement

This reminds me of how two cops put a taser on a man who was having a seizure.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 03:38 AM

View PostDrayno, on 15 December 2012 - 03:00 AM, said:

"When used to compel obedience."

Disobedience = Freedom

Obedience = Enslavement

This reminds me of how two cops put a taser on a man who was having a seizure.


This lady was not having a seizure. She was very drunk, and she spat in a officers face!



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Posted 15 December 2012 - 03:57 AM

View PostSakari, on 15 December 2012 - 03:38 AM, said:

This lady was not having a seizure. She was very drunk, and she spat in a officers face!



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I didn't say I didn't condone tasing her if they had legitimate cause.

I'm just saying, that authoritarian stance, tossing around words like "obedience", spells trouble.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:08 AM

View PostSakari, on 15 December 2012 - 03:38 AM, said:

This lady was not having a seizure. She was very drunk, and she spat in a officers face!



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oh please , don't be a drama queen here, ever had cop scream in your face so you covered with his spit??? i have and know others that did. should i charge him with attempted murder??

teasers are made to disable  threat, drunks, and high on drugs, not to shot at anyone who he thinks, insulted him, gime a brake, any cop that has a partner by his side, tases small women cuz she spit in his face, is a trigger happy thug, and it only matter of time before he shoots someone for going for his valet.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:34 AM

View PostSakari, on 15 December 2012 - 03:38 AM, said:

This lady was not having a seizure. She was very drunk, and she spat in a officers face!



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She was cuffed. Tazer means a fall possible broken neck jaw skull nose loss of teeth or eye over a cop getting a cold that after being spit on makes no never mind.  Glad you are not a cop. Maybe people that are bleeding at the sight of a car accident should be tazered befor paramedics can treat them. Your condoning a pattern that the police have zero accountability, they do. Just to show I don`t hate cops but hold them to a higher standard then a street thug here ya go.




Edited by The Silver Thong, 15 December 2012 - 04:39 AM.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:36 AM

View PostDrayno, on 15 December 2012 - 03:57 AM, said:

I didn't say I didn't condone tasing her if they had legitimate cause.

I'm just saying, that authoritarian stance, tossing around words like "obedience", spells trouble.

The cop should be charged with attempted murder, she was cuffed.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:39 AM

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oh please , don't be a drama queen here, ever had cop scream in your face so you covered with his spit??? i have and know others that did. should i charge him with attempted murder??

teasers are made to disable  threat, drunks, and high on drugs, not to shot at anyone who he thinks, insulted him, gime a brake, any cop that has a partner by his side, tases small women cuz she spit in his face, is a trigger happy thug, and it only matter of time before he shoots someone for going for his valet.


Drama Queen?

I am not the one crying about someone who is irresponsible enough to get in this type of situation anyway.

No I have not had a cop spit in my face, nor have I had run ins with Police. If I made choices that put me in a position to be yelled at by anyone, that is my fault, and my bad choice. The only people that cry about things like this, are people that did stupid things, whether they want to admit it or not. I do not feel sorry for you either. And I highly doubt a Police Officer spat in your face.


I said it enough now.....If people would not do stupid things, and would use their damn brains, and grow up, we would not have these discussions.

I find it very funny people are defending someone that put their self in a position of being arrested by getting stupidly drunk in the first place.

And spitting in someones face, especially a officer of the law, is basically a Hazmat concern. Go back and look at the list. Why do you think dentists wear face shields?

She assaulted a officer, he took the proper procedure, and I applaud him.


But hey, if you enjoy defending drunks, drug addicts, and just stupid people that can not control themselves in public, and can not obey laws ( and common sense ) feel free.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:42 AM

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She was cuffed. Tazer means a fall possible broken neck jaw skull nose loss of teeth or eye over a cop getting a cold that after being spit on makes no never mind.  Glad you are not a cop. Maybe people that are bleeding at the sight of a car accident should be tazered befor paramedics can treat them. Your condoning a pattern that the police have zero accountability, they do. Just to show I don`t hate cops but hold them to a higher standard then a street thug here ya go.


I know you are smarter then this.....Big difference between purposely spitting in someones face, and a injured person. That was just, well, a stupid comment.



Maybe you missed some facts.......


Using a Taser to subdue a violent suspect is safer than police batons and fists. That is the surprising conclusion of a study of incidents in which US police used force to tackle a person who was resisting arrest.
Several suspects have died in the US after being tasered, and human rights groups have spoken out against the weapons, also called conductive electrical devices (CEDs). But John MacDonald of the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia and colleagues have found they seem to result in fewer injuries than more conventional methods such as batons.
The team examined over 24,000 cases where police had used force, including almost 5500 incidents involving a Taser. After controlling for factors such as the amount of resistance shown by the suspect, they found that Taser use reduced the overall risk of injury by 65 per cent.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:49 AM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 15 December 2012 - 04:36 AM, said:

The cop should be charged with attempted murder, she was cuffed.


She assaulted attempted and succeeded Battery on him......By the definition of the law.


Battery is a criminal offence involving unlawful physical contact, distinct from assault which is the apprehension, not fear, of such contact.




He followed procedure ( most likely, investigation not done ) to stop further assaults.

Attempted Murder by definition :

In order for a person to be guilty of attempted murder, that person should have deliberately, intentionally or recklessly with extreme disregard for human life, attempted to kill someone.

Edited by Sakari, 15 December 2012 - 04:51 AM.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:51 AM

View PostSakari, on 15 December 2012 - 04:42 AM, said:

I know you are smarter then this.....Big difference between purposely spitting in someones face, and a injured person. That was just, well, a stupid comment.



Maybe you missed some facts.......


Using a Taser to subdue a violent suspect is safer than police batons and fists. That is the surprising conclusion of a study of incidents in which US police used force to tackle a person who was resisting arrest.
Several suspects have died in the US after being tasered, and human rights groups have spoken out against the weapons, also called conductive electrical devices (CEDs). But John MacDonald of the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia and colleagues have found they seem to result in fewer injuries than more conventional methods such as batons.
The team examined over 24,000 cases where police had used force, including almost 5500 incidents involving a Taser. After controlling for factors such as the amount of resistance shown by the suspect, they found that Taser use reduced the overall risk of injury by 65 per cent.


http://www.newscient...-and-fists.html






Hard to argue facts.

Stupid is as stupid does. How much do police departments pay out in law suits every year for this crap.  Cops that think there own citizens are the enemy is a big problem. I live in Canada thank goodness as the US seems to be slowly reducing itself into a police state where the cops are the judge jury and executioner.  Watch your back as a broken tail light on your car could result in a tazer that kills you.  Just sayin smart guy.  As tazing a hand cuffed women in a precent with many cops was to much for them. Tells me how weak the force is with out the bs of act now and don`t worry as there will be no reprecusions.   Watch your back and make sure you bow and drop to the pavement.

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