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[Scepticus]

Hold on.

Just because Ron Paul is getting most of the delegates now dosn't mean he will be the nominee.
As far as i know the delegates isn't obliged to vote for the same person at the convention, whereas they are at the democratic convention.

[Bama13]

747400, on 01 March 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

Just supposing that, somehow, the Great man did get the Nomination, but through some travesty he wasn't Elected, can we trust that his admirers would concede that the People had spoken, and, being believers in Democracy, then they must accept that with good grace? Or would they behave like many republicans did after Mr. O was elected, and go on for years about how either the election wasn't legitimate, or how Mr. O wasn't actually a U.S. Citizen, & so on & on & on?

Or like the democrats did after Bush beat Gore? Pot meet kettle.

[Bama13]

Scepticus, on 01 March 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Hold on.

Just because Ron Paul is getting most of the delegates now dosn't mean he will be the nominee.
As far as i know the delegates isn't obliged to vote for the same person at the convention, whereas they are at the democratic convention.

Do the dems still have the "super" delegates? If so it kinda takes the punch out of your post.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Bama13, on 01 March 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

Or like the democrats did after Bush beat Gore? Pot meet kettle.

technically, the latter did get more actual votes, mind, and there did seem to be some fishiness involved...
but yes, the same principle, since according to the system, wierd as it may be, the little fellow was legitimately elected, regrettable though it may have been.

[WoIverine]

Still think that even if Paul did win by actual votes and delegates, Romney or Santorum would still get the nomination because there's no way the GOP will allow Dr. Paul to take it. They will cheat to win.

[Corp]

Why would the GOP not give Paul the nomination if they voted for him?

[odiesbsc]

Personally, I would like to see Ron Paul get the nomination. BUT, I think, whoever gets the nomination, they will lose to Obozo because of massive voter fraud.
"God help us"

Odie          

Edited by odiesbsc, 01 March 2012 - 10:25 PM.

[Corp]

Or maybe they'd lose because the list of Republican front runners are rather crappy.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Corp, on 01 March 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

Why would the GOP not give Paul the nomination if they voted for him?

Well, since he does (supposedly) stand against everything the Republicans stand for, it would be rather like turkeys buying christmas presents for each other, wouldn't it ..

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

odiesbsc, on 01 March 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

Personally, I would like to see Ron Paul get the nomination. BUT, I think, whoever gets the nomination, they will lose to Obozo because of massive voter fraud.
"God help us"

Odie          

Ah, the excuse is coming out already? If Obama does win, it's not because people prefer him to the Great man, it's because of fraud.  

[aquatus1]

odiesbsc, on 01 March 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

Personally, I would like to see Ron Paul get the nomination. BUT, I think, whoever gets the nomination, they will lose to Obozo because of massive voter fraud.
"God help us"

Wow.  Pre-emptive sour grapes.

[Corp]

747400, on 02 March 2012 - 07:30 AM, said:

Well, since he does (supposedly) stand against everything the Republicans stand for, it would be rather like turkeys buying christmas presents for each other, wouldn't it ..

Maybe it's the odd wording in Spid3rCyd3's post. Gives the picture of the GOP picking Paul to run and then rigging their own votes to ensure that he doesn't get picked.

[DieChecker]

This article explained it better for me. Apparently, this stratagy is real... but only possible to pull off in Caucus states, as they are the ones where the delegate is picked after the straw poll, but don't have to be representative of that poll. The actual votes for the delegates has not happened yet, but the lists of those possible candidates is already made, and stacked (legally) with RP supporters.

http://www.guardian....n?newsfeed=true

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The fact is that Paul's delegate strategy would have little impact in a normal Republican race. The system is set up with enough winner-take-all and primary states to ensure that Paul's strategy has no chance whatsoever of picking up enough delegates via this method to actually win the nomination himself.

But it all changes when the Republican race becomes protracted and closely fought. If Santorum, Romney and Newt Gingrich all stay in the race beyond Super Tuesday and start to amass their own large piles of delegates, then reaching the vital 1,144 delegates needed to win starts to become more difficult.

If that scenario plays out – something most experts see as possible but unlikely – then Paul's delegate total becomes crucial. He could become a kingmaker, agreeing to throw his hefty delegate total behind one candidate who could then claim victory.

As a candidate with a very clearly defined agenda – on foreign policy, the role of government and fiscal issues, especially the Federal Reserve – Paul could demand a high policy price for that support.

However, even if a nominee emerges prior to the convention, Paul's delegates will still be important. If he amasses a loyal and large delegate total he will able to secure a high-profile, possibly primetime, speaking slot.

He will also be more able to get his agenda into the party's official policy platform. Given Paul's stance on issues like American foreign policy and the wars in Afghanistan, that could upset the party elite and the nominee.

Modern conventions are supposed to be highly organised, tightly controlled displays of party unity. At the very least a successful Paul delegate strategy could shatter that prospect.

So this is not an automatic win. Even if RP won every delegate in every caucus state, that would be 502 delegates. At best this would be like 40% of what is needed to win. If... he got every single delegate, which we know he has not. So... assuming that he does phenomanally and gets 80%, that means 400 delegates, with nearly 750 more to gain elsewhere.

Republican Caucus States and delegates.
Iowa 28
Nevada 28
Maine 24
Colorado 36
Minnesota 40
Washington 43
Alaska 27
Hawaii 20
Utah 40
Missouri 52
Idaho 32
Kansas 40
Nebraska 35
Wyoming 29
North Dakota 28

Total 502

[The New Richard Nixon]

Sarah palin FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....ohh wrong year lol

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Erix, on 04 March 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

Sarah palin FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....ohh wrong year lol

I was just thinking, i do miss her. Barking mad as Sanatorium & most of the other candidates are, there's no one to really match her for that unique mix of comedy value and scariness.