Need Real help with ghosts & poltergeists

[eco4patrick]

I have recently uploaded a pic titled Angels and Ghosts. This is a real pic and when there are enities present this is the same blurred and redish color the pictures turn out. For example, you can take 6 in a row and the middle two will be this way and the others will be perfect. the 2 weird ones will show arms or hands or faces not attached to anyone.

The problem is my 2 year old granddaughter, who obviously inherited my "gifts" (if you want to call them that) can see them. They scare the crap out of her. She can't speak well yet so I don't know if she has all the gifts but I suspect so from the way she acts.

I want to interject a question here, Is It common for psycic abilities to skip every other generation? My daughter has great intuition but thats all. Your thoughts.

Anyway, to continue, the poltergeist activity seems to be coming from 2 entities although there seems to be as many as 3 others in the house.

Although my daughter is very used to all the weird stuff from having me as her mother, and no I don't tell others about what I can do, things have always just happened since I was 3 so to me, it's just a part of life. Her and her husband are starting to get very upset.

I cannot get them to go and permanently leave her alone. I don't have the connection I did to ghosts as I did when I was an extremely frieghten child. (Everyone calling you a witch, the church telling you it's all from the Devil and your family and friends being afraid of you, you pretty much learn to shut off alot of that.)

Any real help would be appreciated. Thanks

[dancin'hamster]

Hi Eco

Poltergeist activity is person centred and is caused by RSPK. Any fear of the phenomena adds fuel to the fire so-to-speak.

If you believe that the house is genuinely haunted why not try to get help from a reputable organisation - an no - not those 'soul rescue' con-men but a serious group who will perhaps try to get to the bottom of the problem. There are lots of sites on the web advertising help and support for families in this position.

Good luck.

Hammy x x x

[Althalus]

Just a quick question if I may, what has been happening in the house to say that it is Poltergeist activity, if you are seeing spirits then it could be that they are just ghosts. By the sound of it, nasty ones, but just ghosts all the same.

[eco4patrick]

The Poltergeist activity includes shelves flying across the room with their contents. Now mind you not just dropping I meen flyng. Kithchen cupboards open, close,open, etc.,etc. The little boy ghost makes a lot of noise within the toy box usually every morning before my grandaughter is awake. These ghosts will bother her all night unless my daughter asks them to please leave her alone all night so she can rest. she tells them they can go in the living room instead. That's where thi weird picture was taken.

Lots of other strange things too, but you get the jist of it.

If you know other web sites for real help, please let me know. Thanks

[Kismit]

Is It common for psycic abilities to skip every other generation?

In my limited experience the answer would be yes , but as I say my experience is limited .

inherited my "gifts"

By gifts what exactly do you mean ?

[Phenomenon]

By gift we mean a gift of creation.We are all born with psychic ability.Some learn to use it more than others and some never become aware of the gift.

Poltergeist activity is person centred and is caused by RSPK. Any fear of the phenomena adds fuel to the fire so-to-speak.

This remark is incredibly inaccurate.Of course there are situations whereby a poltergeist like haunting can take place due to the energy's of people and their belief that it is genuine (RSPK) or better known to most as Psychokinesis.This can involve a single person or indeed as reported many times an entire family.They claim that people can actually create the conditions and symptoms that are so common with this phenomenon.But there are genuine poltergeist activities that involve real spirits and these are most defiantely not in the imagination.No advice is better than bad advice.

As with most hauntings, and there are many forms, apparitions are possible with poltergeist activity.How we decifer the information and decide what is a naughty ghost and what is a poltergeist is something we may never know.Then again they are one and the same.

[dancin'hamster]

Poltergeist activity is person centred and is caused by RSPK. Any fear of the phenomena adds fuel to the fire so-to-speak.

This remark is incredibly inaccurate.Of course there are situations whereby a poltergeist like haunting can take place due to the energy's of people and their belief that it is genuine (RSPK) or better known to most as Psychokinesis.This can involve a single person or indeed as reported many times an entire family.They claim that people can actually create the conditions and symptoms that are so common with this phenomenon.But there are genuine poltergeist activities that involve real spirits and these are most defiantely not in the imagination.No advice is better than bad advice.

Excuse me?

Increadably inaccurate?

Having been involved with minor Poltergeist activity and spending many years investgating and researching the paranormal I find your comment increadably rude.

[Phenomenon]

I'm sorry if you find my comments rude.

Poltergeist activity is person centred and is caused by RSPK. Any fear of the phenomena adds fuel to the fire so-to-speak.

This was your comment.Sorry if you feel offended, but this is inaccurate.If indeed you have the experience you say you have then you will know that not all poltergeist activity can be explained with this theory.

[dancin'hamster]

From my personal experience ~ and ALL the genuine poltergeist cases I've been lucky enough to research, the results are the same. Person-centred (although not always a single individual).

Hauntings, however, are a totally different matter.

Some 'active' hauntings produce phenomena similar to poltergeist activity.

I am at a total and complete loss as to how to explain this kind of haunting.

Hey.........think about it....me - speechless.....that's a miracle in itself ~

[Hammys Teddy]

If I may just step into the discussion.

I have to say that i find your remarks highly insulting whether it was your intention or not.

You criticise Dancinhamsters theory and then offer one of your own that has its roots firmly in the realms of fantasy.

By gift we mean a gift of creation.We are all born with psychic ability.Some learn to use it more than others and some never become aware of the gift [\QUOTE]

What an astonishing claim this is, would you mind sharing with us what this notion is based on exactly??

But there are genuine poltergeist activities that involve real spirits and these are most defiantely not in the imagination.No advice is better than bad advice. [\QUOTE]

And how many 'genuine ones have you found, and pray tell how did you determine they were genuine.

You claim Dancinhamsters theory to be incorrect yet offer nothing more than a belief to replace it?? Perhaps you would be best following your own comment about offering no advice... after all didnt someone once say .."it is better to be thought a fool than opening ones mouth and removing all doubt?

How we decifer the information and decide what is a naughty ghost and what is a poltergeist is something we may never know.Then again they are one and the same[\QUOTE]

Are they? I always thought 'poltergesit was from the german for noisey ghost not naughty?

Teddy.

[Kismit]

Phenomenom ,

I know what was meant by gifts I was actually hoping eco4patrick would answer me with a more detailed account on these gifts . What kind of gifts they personally have .

To be completely honest none of us really know what causes poltergiest activity , and If (and I'm not really suggesting it isn't) eco's story is true , it sounds far more like there are multiple hauntings and not all specifically potergiests .

[Phenomenon]

Hello Hammy, and thanks for your reply.

If I may just step into the discussion.

I have to say that i find your remarks highly insulting whether it was your intention or not.

Highly insulting? By disagreeing with a theory or explanation and making it known what I believe to be true I have insulted someone.My friend, you seem to be missing the reasons that these discussion boards are set up for.At no time was I either rude or insulting.To disagree with someone is my perogative.I made my inital comment in a polite and reasonable manner and offered my theory in return.I believed that her initial explanation of a poltergeist was not complete.I merely quoted a theory that is common place amongst the paranormal world and those who participate in its investigation.

You criticise Dancinhamsters theory and then offer one of your own that has its roots firmly in the realms of fantasy.

You claim Dancinhamsters theory to be incorrect yet offer nothing more than a belief to replace it?? Perhaps you would be best following your own comment about offering no advice... after all didnt someone once say .."it is better to be thought a fool than opening ones mouth and removing all doubt?

Please read what I wrote! I didn't disagree with her entire theory, merely I finished it off.It is important that people are aware of possibilities.Not all reported poltergeist hauntings are always centered around an individual or a family for that matter.But of course for people to be aware that hauntings of this nature are taking place they have to be present.As for fool....this fool has published work and is regarded with respect for his theories and investigative work.I don't claim to hold all the answers but as we delve more in to these phenomena we discover new possibilities.

What an astonishing claim this is, would you mind sharing with us what this notion is based on exactly??

Oh dear.It is commonly accepted, not just by me but by most in the paranormal community that we are born with psychic ability.Some may never realise this ability and some may never learn to control what ability they have discovered.Then there are those who are totally aware and are able to use this gift of nature to help others.If you find this statement amazing don't take my word for it.I am sure if you browse the net or ask in here most people with a basic knowledge of ESP will tell you that this is a common theory that seems to be accepted.

Are they? I always thought 'poltergesit was from the german for noisey ghost not naughty?

I know what the german translation is for poltergeist my friend so please don't resort to sarcasm.I am trying to put my point across in a constructive and polite manner.You have accused me of being insulting.Read what you have wrote then tell me who is insulting.

I hope in a few years you have the knowledge and experience to criticise someone with a constructive feel.If debating a topic and showing disagreement means I am being insulting then I am amazed.

Bye for now teddy

[Phenomenon]

On another note.

Kismit you are spot on with your multiple hauntings theory.On this occasion it does seem likely that these "multiple entities" are the cause and not poltergeist.My main point was the description of a poltergeist and that there are many occasions when a poltergiest haunting and a ghost haunting can be very similar.Distinguishing them is difficult.Apparitions have also been reported.How we seperate a naughty ghost from the actions of a mischevious, noisy spirit (poltergeist) is something that still evades many researchers.Hence my remark that they are one and the same, or at least on occasions they can appear to be.

As for gifts and them being passed down through the generations, this is probably not quite right.As I said before these psychic abilities that some people seem to have more than most are something that we are all born with.It is believed that only a few ever unlock their psychic ability and learn to control and use it.Of course there are many families who seem to have a history of family members who have these abilites and it is therefore presumed they are a genetic or hereditary trait that is passed down from generation to generation.Many people's theory is that we all posess the ability, we just never seem lucky enough to be able to unlock it.

[eco4patrick]

I thank you all for your input. Very informative and enlightening. I like to hear all various differed opinions on any given subject. You all sound well informed and learned.

There are a million different books, papers and articles written on these subjects from very respected individuals in this feild and they all differ on their opinions as well. Bravo for standing up for what rings true to you. To each his own, I believe.

It is true there are several different entities. An approximate 7+ y.o., a very old woman, another old woman who we know was the last resident of this house. She has alzhiemers and is very scary looking. The odd thing with her is she is still alive although very far gone. I know she is the main one scaring my granddaughter only by her looks and the way she stares at her. I'm also sure it's the boy who is jealous and creates the havock. He wants the attention I think. There are others but I do not know who they are or what they are. I believe one's a "gaurdian Angel" because my granddaughter looks upward, smiles and laughs and you get a very peaceful feeling in the room at this time. She will sleep all through the night in her room.No odd noises, feelings of someone behind you, etc. etc.

If you look at this picture, you can see an aoura(?) blurriness around her more so than any where else. Her baby brother seems to have the attention of the winged one and someone else behind the couch. I was thinking maybe this is "their" proof that they pay way to much attention to her. Just a thought.

My gifts? I can see futures and often find lost things to name a few. I pretty much keep to myself. Although if some one I know needs help, I will do what I can. I can see these apporitions sometimes. I can pick up their names, again sometimes, and other info from time to time but usually when they are awaiting someones passing. (Now you see why I hate hospitals) This is what scares me most but they have this "gaurdian Angel" so I do not think that is what is going on here. I want the ghosts out of this house. I don't think just my family moving is going to cure it and if my granddaughter has this gift, we will just have to protect her until she can learn to deal with them herself.

So, thanks again and keep the ideas coming.

[Kismit]

You may need a little help to get rid of the old lady . And as nutty as I know it sounds a light circle could be a good way of helping her on to her next part of the journey .

A light circle is something which takes several gifted people with a knack for speaking to spirits and an intent to move them on and through the light . So that they escape the confines of the half space they have become trapped in . Well what can I say if you really are suffering these things , It would be worth a try wouldn't it ?

As fo rthe young boy , you may wish to find out a little more about him he seems atracted to your Grandaughter posibly because of her youth , and maybe because of her gift .And as you say yourself he is trying to get attention.

I know I sound nutty but the light circle would also be usefull for the wee boy , these people need to be moved on to there next stage of life , where they can be with people who love them atleast .

[Hammys Teddy]

Phenomenon,

Ah dear boy , you had almost slipped my mind...

Highly insulting? By disagreeing with a theory or explanation and making it known what I believe to be true I have insulted someone.

You say Danicnhamster is inaccurate then post a theory that has no more basis in fact than hers. I would consider that an insult to her intelligence wouldnt you?

The next line of your post reads, QUOTE "Of course there are situations whereby a poltergeist like haunting can take place due to the energy's of people and their belief that it is genuine (RSPK) or better known to most as Psychokinesis.This can involve a single person or indeed as reported many times an entire family. UNQUOTE, I thought you said she was highly inaccurate, yet here we see you say the exact same thing????

My friend, you seem to be missing the reasons that these discussion boards are set up for.

Not at all dear chap, they are set up for the posting of ones ideas and opinions for discussion. Dancinhamster posted a theory, if you disagree with it then you should have said so, not stated as fact that she was wrong and you were right, and then be stupid enough to post exactly what you just said she was wrong in.

At no time was I either rude or insulting.To disagree with someone is my perogative.I made my inital comment in a polite and reasonable manner and offered my theory in return.

I have no problem with you disagreeing but when you accuse someone of being wrong then offering a theory that is no more proven than theirs, i consider that to be highly insulting, especially given the lengths Dancinhamster has gone to in investigating the 'paranormal'

I believed that her initial explanation of a poltergeist was not complete.

No not incomplete, 'incredibly inaccurate', is what you said and that is NOT the same thing.

I merely quoted a theory that is common place amongst the paranormal world and those who participate in its investigation.

Is it really, I am heavily involved in investigating the 'paranormal' and it certainly is not common place among the groups I work with. What I think you mean is that it may be common place among those who subscribe to the notion that the dead can somehow interact with this world.

Please read what I wrote! I didn't disagree with her entire theory, merely I finished it off.

Yes indeed, I read exactly what you said, You stated she was wrong then contradicted yourself by repeating her theory in your next line as one possible cause, rather odd that i thought.

It is important that people are aware of possibilities.

If this is so why havent you stated the possibility that it may have NOTHING at all to do with ghosts/spirits at all, and may just have some mundane cause such as electro magnetic fields etc??

Not all reported poltergeist hauntings are always centered around an individual or a family for that matter.But of course for people to be aware that hauntings of this nature are taking place they have to be present.

Alleged poltergeist hauntings dear boy, I have yet to encounter one poltergeist case that i can honestly say is conclusively down to ghosts/spirits.

As for fool....this fool has published work and is regarded with respect for his theories and investigative work.

To have work published does not automatically give one any credibilty, perhaps you can list for me which scientific journals you have had your work published in??

Which peer reviewed sources are you regarded in??

I don't claim to hold all the answers but as we delve more in to these phenomena we discover new possibilities.

Yes there are new possibilities popping up all the time, for e.g. 'orbs'. A notion that rapidly gained ground among those in paranormal circles as being the first stage of an apparition, despite the fact that no-one had seen a full transformation from 'orb' to spirit/ghost.

Alas due to those who question these silly notions 'orbs' are almost now accepted for what they are, camera faults and airborne particles..

Oh dear.It is commonly accepted, not just by me but by most in the paranormal community that we are born with psychic ability.

I fear you do not move in large circles in your work in the paranormal field, there are many of us out there who do not subscribe to such notions, perhaps your comments are limited to would be amatuer ghost busters wishing to past the time away on a Saturday night scaring the **** out of themselves in some over priced alleged haunted venue.

Some may never realise this ability and some may never learn to control what ability they have discovered.Then there are those who are totally aware and are able to use this gift of nature to help others.If you find this statement amazing don't take my word for it.

As it happens old boy, I do find this comment extremely amazing. I have carried out a lot of research into those claiming to have some form of psychic ability and have yet to encounter one that is genuine.

I am sure if you browse the net or ask in here most people with a basic knowledge of ESP will tell you that this is a common theory that seems to be accepted.

I have more than a basic knowledge of ESP and can tell you that under strictly controlled test conditions those who claim these abilities fail time and time again to demonstrate them. Wonder why that is??

I hope in a few years you have the knowledge and experience to criticise someone with a constructive feel.If debating a topic and showing disagreement means I am being insulting then I am amazed.

Do not be so quick to judge others my friend, you have no clue as to how much experience and knowledge i have in the paranormal. I may just surprise you.

Debating a topic is one thing,to state you are wrong and I am right is an insult, especially when your notion carries no more weight than that of whom you disagree with.

Best regards,

Teddy