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#1    OverSword

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:04 PM

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SEOUL – North Korea has tested short-range missiles in the Sea of Japan (known as the East Sea in Korea), in an apparent attempt to counter-act joint U.S.-South Korean military exercises, South Korean news agency Yonhap reported.
“North Korea test-launched a short-range missile in the East Sea [Sea of Japan] this afternoon, amid the ongoing security crisis on the Korean peninsula following Pyongyang’s third nuclear test last month,” Yonhap news said.
The source, Yonhap said, was a military source within the South Korean government. The North Korean military launched two KN-02 short-range missiles into international waters, the report said.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:08 PM

So, what's going to happen with this? Is the rest of the world going to wait until they actually hurt someone, or what?

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:10 PM

They'll keep it up until there is a war.  Which I think the north wants.  They want the south rejoined with them on their terms.  Don't think the south is going to go for it.


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:18 PM

My friend has concerns that if there IS a war, China will join N Korea's side. I thought China was getting tired of their **** too. No?

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:43 PM

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"So, what's going to happen with this? Is the rest of the world going to wait until they actually hurt someone, or what?" RV
The U.S. fought a very bloody War there after WWII. Not only it it technically still on, KJU has recently announced he's canceled the armistice (in reaction to increased sanctions, targeting KJU's politburo).

Not easy to decypher KJU's mixed messages.
Dennis Rodman recently visited, and reports KJU says he doesn't want war w/ Obama.
Perhaps KJU's sabre-rattling is to persuade his politburo not to stage a palace coup d’état, based upon KJU's youth, or passivity.

But NK's a basket case. Millions of NK's have already starved to death. A coup d’état might rock the boat too much.


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:44 PM

View PostRockabyeBillie, on 15 March 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:

My friend has concerns that if there IS a war, China will join N Korea's side. I thought China was getting tired of their **** too. No?

I think it more likely that China would invade North Korea themselves and put in a government that's a touch more sane.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse...A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:46 PM

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~54,246 U.S. military died in the Korean War

In this global economic climate, resuming the Korean War lacks attractiveness.


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:47 PM

View PostRockabyeBillie, on 15 March 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

So, what's going to happen with this? Is the rest of the world going to wait until they actually hurt someone, or what?


Well the thing is, if a big bully told you what to do..... Would you obey them or would you be really annoyed?

Cause the US keeps putting sanctions on them, the US puts sanctions on Iran as well. Do you know what thta does to the innocent people of those coun tries? People starve, their money becomes useless and their living conditions suffer.

Do you expect these countries to just sit and take that? I sure as hell wouldn't. So when you read these stories in the western media, remember that it's our goverments fault in the first place, these countries are being pushed and pushed until they hit back. You back an animal into the corner and it will fight back.

View Postsear, on 15 March 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

But NK's a basket case. Millions of NK's have already starved to death. A coup d’état might rock the boat too much.

Yes that's what happens when a big bully country puts sanctions on another country.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:51 PM

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  "I think it more likely that China would invade North Korea themselves and put in a government that's a touch more sane." C
There's some precedent for it I suppose. China's already annexed Tibet.

But the North Koreans aren't Chinese. They're Korean; blood kin to the South Koreans.

China's governance of NK might be an improvement, for the U.S., particularly if China dismantled the DMZ; and turned it into a more normal border.

- I'm not sure that's what would happen.

- But if it did, I'm not sure South Korea would like it; not sure they'd tolerate it. Problem there is, the U.S. is bound by treaty to South Korea.


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 03:57 PM

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"Millions of NK's have already starved to death. A coup d’état might rock the boat too much." sear

"Yes that's what happens when a big bully country puts sanctions on another country." AA
There's no denying U.S. / U.N. sanctions.
But NK is intrinsically self-insufficient. North Korea doesn't send U.S. any food. But we're not starving.

Starvation is such a severe chronic problem in NK that according to Chris Hitchens, the NK's average about 4" shorter in stature than their SK brethren.
Horrifficly, it's not only their stature that's stunted. They're mentally under-developed as well.

For some insight into just how severe a totalitarian Hell hole NK is: check out North Korean prison camp #14 escapee Shin Dong-hyuk

It's a story stranger than fiction.


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 04:17 PM

View Postsear, on 15 March 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

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~54,246 U.S. military died in the Korean War

In this global economic climate, resuming the Korean War lacks attractiveness.
So tell me then, just why do you think the US is pulling out of Afghanistan years earlier than scheduled?


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 04:34 PM

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"why do you think the US is pulling out of Afghanistan years earlier than scheduled?" Tk
a) What schedule?

B) Obama terminated the Iraq War on the Bush administration's timetable, and substantially as the Bush administration described.

c) The Afghanistan War is reported to be the longest in U.S. history. The Bush administration diddled in Afghanistan, failing to begin essential training, so the Afghanistan government forces could take over for U.S. military troops.
So Obama's stuck playing catch-up. It's  not easy to make a modern soldier from an illiterate Afghani peasant. Our commanders are doing the best they can.

d) We want out. It costs about a $million per year per U.S. troop to occupy Afghanistan. And what do we get for it?

e) After our own trained Afghanis started murdering our troops, there was increased domestic U.S. call to speed up the withdrawal timetable. Obama's conservative enough to resist that.


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 04:46 PM

I love that idea -- let the Chinese go in there and put them out of their misery.  At this point I don't see anyone objecting, not even (or maybe not especially the S. Koreans).  They would be spared the threat and not have to take on a huge humanitarian mess.


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 04:59 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 15 March 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

I love that idea -- let the Chinese go in there and put them out of their misery.  At this point I don't see anyone objecting, not even (or maybe not especially the S. Koreans).  They would be spared the threat and not have to take on a huge humanitarian mess.

But would they do it? Does China feel threatened by them? I think N Korea is just threatening everyone else.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 05:10 PM

View PostRockabyeBillie, on 15 March 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

But would they do it? Does China feel threatened by them? I think N Korea is just threatening everyone else.
Just ask yourself this then.  Does China want the US military on thier border?  Probably not so I would guess they would rather take control in NK than let the US lead the charge.





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