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#9421    Abramelin

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 04:16 PM

Talking about ancient European script...

Does anyone remember that find of a Minoan ship near Denmark I posted about ages ago? (post 1944 http://www.unexplain...2 )

Well, it gets better (read the whole article):

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Linear A inscription discovered in 1987 on a rock panel in Kongsberg, Norway, approx. 1700 BC. The Linear A signs beneath were photocopied from “Inscribed Tablets and Pithos of Linear A System from Zakro”, by N. Platonos and W. Brice (1975). The cup form of the pi sign is characteristic also of the pi sign pecked into the rock, but this copy is from the Norwegian semitist, Ph.D. Kjell Aartun’s list in Die Minoische Schrift. Band I. The rock panel, with pictures of carvings, is described under chapter 5 Kongsberg.

http://jarnaes.wordp...crete-linear-a/


But still... NO other examples of the OLB script, anywhere.

Why? Did they feel ashamed of their script?

If this Linear A inscription is really what they think it is, why is it (already in 1700 BC) so totally different from the OLB script?

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Edited by Abramelin, 13 January 2012 - 05:00 PM.


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Posted 13 January 2012 - 05:17 PM

From the OLB:

WHAT IS WRITTEN HEREUNDER IS INSCRIBED ON THE WALLS OF WARABURGT.

(...)

In her time Finda also invented a mode of writing, but that was so high-flown and full of flourishes that her descendants have soon lost the meaning of it.

Afterwards they learned our writing—that is, the Finns, the Thyriers, and the Krekalanders — but they did not know that it was taken from the Juul, and must therefore always be written round like the sun. Furthermore, they wished that their writing should be illegible by other people, because they always had matters to conceal. In doing this they acted very unwisely, because their children could only with great difficulty read the writings of their predecessors, whereas our most ancient writings are as easy to read as those that were written yesterday
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http://oeralinda.angelfire.com/

Those Minoans of my former post must have been those Krekalanders.

Linear A seems to have been used as a complete syllabary around 1900–1800 BC, although several signs appear earlier as mason marks. It is possible that the Trojan Linear A scripts that were discovered by Heinrich Schliemann and one inscription from central Crete, as well as a few similar potters' marks from Lahun, Egypt (12th dynasty), come from an earlier period, ca. 2100–1900 BC, which coincides with the construction of the first palaces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_A

So, if we believe the OLB then these Cretans rejected the OLB script as early as 2100 BC, and only because they didn't understand it was created using the Yule wheel, and because they wished their writing to be illegible by other people.

The OLB looks clear and simple, Linear A doesn't look anything like that. Would anyone seriously believe that they rejected the OLB script for the reasons mentioned?

The Phoenician script was adopted by most peoples the Phoenicians encountered because.... it was practical and easy to use.

"No" says the OLB, "they made it complicated because they were dumb, and to hide the true meanning of what was written".

Yeah, right.


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And let's not forget that we can still read what the "Heinde Krekalanders" wrote, the Romans I mean... "they wished that their writing should be illegible by other people"

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Edited by Abramelin, 13 January 2012 - 05:28 PM.


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Posted 13 January 2012 - 05:54 PM

A bit more about those Minoans: http://jarnaes.wordp....com/kongsberg/

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Rock panel with carvings (Helleristning) I

Petroglyphs

Near to this cup mark, there is a figure which may represent a boat.  With the high, upright stern and prow, equally high as what could be the mast, it looks like a ship rendered on a Mycenean vase from late Minoan time ( Ernst Kjellberg og Gösta Säflund, Græsk og Romersk Kunst, 1962, p. 31). To the left is the Linear A inscription, with the signs tu yu  pi ti. The ship figure is pecked into the rock with the same technique as used in the inscription and the cup mark
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...and so on...


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Posted 13 January 2012 - 07:24 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 13 January 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

Talking about ancient European script...

Does anyone remember that find of a Minoan ship near Denmark I posted about ages ago? (post 1944 http://www.unexplain...2 )

Well, it gets better (read the whole article):

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Linear A inscription discovered in 1987 on a rock panel in Kongsberg, Norway, approx. 1700 BC. The Linear A signs beneath were photocopied from "Inscribed Tablets and Pithos of Linear A System from Zakro", by N. Platonos and W. Brice (1975). The cup form of the pi sign is characteristic also of the pi sign pecked into the rock, but this copy is from the Norwegian semitist, Ph.D. Kjell Aartun's list in Die Minoische Schrift. Band I. The rock panel, with pictures of carvings, is described under chapter 5 Kongsberg.

http://jarnaes.wordp...crete-linear-a/


But still... NO other examples of the OLB script, anywhere.

Why? Did they feel ashamed of their script?

If this Linear A inscription is really what they think it is, why is it (already in 1700 BC) so totally different from the OLB script?

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The so called Linear A inscription of Kongsberg might well be a hoax. The article says, that Dr. Aartun translated the text, but ... Linear A has not yet been deciphered at all. The same applies to the Diskos of Phaistos, which shows up in the article.So far only the later Linear B has been deciphered and appears to be Greek.

Edited by Knul, 13 January 2012 - 07:27 PM.


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Posted 13 January 2012 - 07:37 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 13 January 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

Instead of correcting Ottema's text, you could add notes to show where he went wrong?

I just render Ottema's text like Sandbach's, Wirth's, etc. as it has been printed. I  found many mistakes in Ottema's transcription and translation and I do not agree with many of his footnotes. I rather deal with the OLB itself than with the shortcomings of its transriptions, etc.I understood, that you are busy with the proper transcription. So you may add such remarks.

Edited by Knul, 13 January 2012 - 07:39 PM.


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Posted 13 January 2012 - 07:46 PM

View PostKnul, on 13 January 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

The so called Linear A inscription of Kongsberg might well be a hoax. The article says, that Dr. Aartun translated the text, but ... Linear A has not yet been deciphered at all. The same applies to the Diskos of Phaistos, which shows up in the article.So far only the later Linear B has been deciphered and appears to be Greek.

Could be a hoax, but I haven't found anything yet that points to it being a hoax.

Knowing they found the remnants of a Minoan ship with Minoan artifacts off the west coast of Denmark decades later (German divers) it might well be authentic.

Btw: many have tried to translate Linear A based on the younger Linear B; several characters of those alphabets are the same, not surprisingly.

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Now this - assuming those Minoan characters are not fake:

USEFUL EXTRACTS FROM THE WRITINGS LEFT BY MINNO.

Minno was an old sea-king. He was a seer and a philosopher, and he gave laws to the Cretans. He was born at Lindaoord, and after all his wanderings he had the happiness to die at Lindahem
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http://oeralinda.angelfire.com/#an

ca 1628 BC
Minno provides laws to the Kretar


http://earth-history...-appendices.htm

Let's say Minno returned around 1600 BC in Lindahem and died there soon after. I don't think he returned walking on his own or by hitch-hiking with a backpack, but that he returned on a ship with many of his compadres/compañeros.

He must have returned around the time some Minoan (maybe one of his group) chisseled those Minoan characters into a rock in southern Norway (the OLB "Schoonland"/Skenland, and in Kongsberg, Norway, approx. 1700 BC).

Why are these petroglyphs not looking anything similar to OLB script?

Maybe Minno or one of his friends had something to 'hide'?

I don't think so.


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Edited by Abramelin, 13 January 2012 - 08:09 PM.


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Posted 13 January 2012 - 07:50 PM

View PostKnul, on 13 January 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

I just render Ottema's text like Sandbach's, Wirth's, etc. as it has been printed. I  found many mistakes in Ottema's transcription and translation and I do not agree with many of his footnotes. I rather deal with the OLB itself than with the shortcomings of its transriptions, etc.I understood, that you are busy with the proper transcription. So you may add such remarks.

Not yet: I had planned to start with that this weekend.


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Posted 13 January 2012 - 07:50 PM

View PostAlewyn, on 14 July 2010 - 10:34 AM, said:


Chapter 3

Legacy of the Outcasts

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[b]The Outcasts


For the next 80 years the Magy kept his subjects under control but in 2012 BC they attacked the Frisian Colony in Skenland. The Magyarar and Finnar advance was brought to a halt by the Skenland citizen force close to its provincial capital Godahisburch – present-day Gothenburg in Sweden. When the Frisian Federal Government was finally notified of the attack, they responded with a combined force of ships, marines and the army. With their superior iron weaponry the Frisians defeated the Mayarar decisively, and the Magy begged for a truce. It would appear that he quite literally offered a peace pipe – stuffed  with marijuana, opium or the likes. He enticed the young army general or Warrior King Wodin of the Frisian army to become king of the Magyarar. Wodin duly accepted. Under Frisian law he would have held the position of general for three years only but under the Magyarar his monarchy would have been for life. Instead of an electorate he would now have had subjects and slaves.


Now I might be just bringing up things that has been discussed or proven/disproven long ago since I'm pulling this quote all the way from page 16. I am from near Gothenburg in sweden, so this piece caught my attention. I have never heard of this so called name for gothenburg, as Oera Linda book states.

"Godahisburch" - A name which I can only find mentioned in references to Oera Linda Book, or this thread. (Which brings it all down to a handful of results in total.) It is very peculiar to me that this name does not exist outside this book.

This section I would really appriciate a indepth explenation of, if possible.

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 08:00 PM

View PostMallaliak, on 13 January 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

Now I might be just bringing up things that has been discussed or proven/disproven long ago since I'm pulling this quote all the way from page 16. I am from near Gothenburg in sweden, so this piece caught my attention. I have never heard of this so called name for gothenburg, as Oera Linda book states.

"Godahisburch" - A name which I can only find mentioned in references to Oera Linda Book, or this thread. (Which brings it all down to a handful of results in total.) It is very peculiar to me that this name does not exist outside this book.

This section I would really appriciate a indepth explenation of, if possible.

Hi Mallaliak, welcome to this never-ending thread.


The city was named after the Geats (Swedish: Götar varied: Geatas, Gautar, Goths, Gotar, Gøtar, Götar), the inhabitants of Gothia, now southern Sweden—i.e. "Defence of the Geats".[6] The river on which the city sits is the Göta Älv or Gothia River. Göta borg "Gothia Fortress" is the fort on the Göta River, built to protect the port, which was intended to be Sweden's commercial window to the west
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Gothenburg

Think "Geatasburg", and you'll know why the OLB calls it "Godahisburch" which means nothing both "Goda His Burg" or better, "Goda's Burg". "Goths' Burg" if you like.

The OLB is great at fabricating alternative etymologies.


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Edited by Abramelin, 13 January 2012 - 08:06 PM.


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Posted 13 January 2012 - 08:08 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 13 January 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

Hi Mallaliak, welcome to this never-ending thread.


The city was named after the Geats (Swedish: Götar varied: Geatas, Gautar, Goths, Gotar, Gøtar, Götar), the inhabitants of Gothia, now southern Sweden—i.e. "Defence of the Geats".[6] The river on which the city sits is the Göta Älv or Gothia River. Göta borg "Gothia Fortress" is the fort on the Göta River, built to protect the port, which was intended to be Sweden's commercial window to the west
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Gothenburg

Think "Geatasburg", and you'll know why the OLB calls it "Godahisburch" which means nothing both "Goda His Burg" or better, "Goda's Burg".

The OLB is great at fabricating alternative etymologies.

Oh I am learning that. Already at around page 20 in this thread, and I see "connections" that doesn't exist at all outside this peculiar book. Highly entertaining since it means I have to check if there is the same matter mentioned outside OLB discussions or not. Even if I so far comes up with pretty much nothing existing outside the book, it means I find tiny things I did not know otherwise. Such as the "Sandarnakulturen" (Early stone age culture who caught sea animals.)

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 08:17 PM

View PostMallaliak, on 13 January 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

Oh I am learning that. Already at around page 20 in this thread, and I see "connections" that doesn't exist at all outside this peculiar book. Highly entertaining since it means I have to check if there is the same matter mentioned outside OLB discussions or not. Even if I so far comes up with pretty much nothing existing outside the book, it means I find tiny things I did not know otherwise. Such as the "Sandarnakulturen" (Early stone age culture who caught sea animals.)

If you can strain yourself (lol) and read all of this thread (now that would be a great accomplishemnt) then you will learn that I think that much of the OLB has been 'borrowed' from Viking history, mixed with Frisian, Greek and Roman legends and history.

Add to that the history of the Phoenicians, and you are almost done.

Highly entertaining? Man, I learned so much researching for this topic, it is way better than anything they tried to teach me at highschool.

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"Sandarnakulturen".. that is the first time I ever heard of that name, and I am glad someone from a former "Fryan colony" (LOL) joins this thread.


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Posted 13 January 2012 - 10:00 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 13 January 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

Could be a hoax, but I haven't found anything yet that points to it being a hoax.

Knowing they found the remnants of a Minoan ship with Minoan artifacts off the west coast of Denmark decades later (German divers) it might well be authentic.

Btw: many have tried to translate Linear A based on the younger Linear B; several characters of those alphabets are the same, not surprisingly.

==

Now this - assuming those Minoan characters are not fake:

USEFUL EXTRACTS FROM THE WRITINGS LEFT BY MINNO.

Minno was an old sea-king. He was a seer and a philosopher, and he gave laws to the Cretans. He was born at Lindaoord, and after all his wanderings he had the happiness to die at Lindahem
.

http://oeralinda.angelfire.com/#an

ca 1628 BC
Minno provides laws to the Kretar


http://earth-history...-appendices.htm

Let's say Minno returned around 1600 BC in Lindahem and died there soon after. I don't think he returned walking on his own or by hitch-hiking with a backpack, but that he returned on a ship with many of his compadres/compañeros.

He must have returned around the time some Minoan (maybe one of his group) chisseled those Minoan characters into a rock in southern Norway (the OLB "Schoonland"/Skenland, and in Kongsberg, Norway, approx. 1700 BC).

Why are these petroglyphs not looking anything similar to OLB script?

Maybe Minno or one of his friends had something to 'hide'?

I don't think so.


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The petroglyphs look like four letter words. Poor professor, who didn't publish his discovery in a learned journal, but in a local newspaper.


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Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:17 PM

View PostMallaliak, on 13 January 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

Now I might be just bringing up things that has been discussed or proven/disproven long ago since I'm pulling this quote all the way from page 16. I am from near Gothenburg in sweden, so this piece caught my attention. I have never heard of this so called name for gothenburg, as Oera Linda book states.

"Godahisburch" - A name which I can only find mentioned in references to Oera Linda Book, or this thread. (Which brings it all down to a handful of results in total.) It is very peculiar to me that this name does not exist outside this book.

This section I would really appriciate a indepth explenation of, if possible.
Välkommen till this threat, Mallaliak. I have been hoping that some day a Scandinavian would join.
I learned a bit of Svedish many years ago, and that is one of the reasons why I came to appreciate the language (whether authentic or not) of the OLB, as it seems to be between Frisian, Dutch, English, German and the Scandic languages. If it would not be authentic, it would at least be a great (in fact an unbelievably great) reconstruction.

I look forward to your contributions.

Here's a former post that you might find interesting:


View PostOtharus, on 15 March 2011 - 07:43 PM, said:

TOPOGRAPHY OF THE O.L.B. ~ part 1: SKÊNLAND

(pagenumbers: Ottema & Sandbach/ original manuscript)

GODA BURCH (SKÊNLAND) = GÖTEBORG (SWEDEN/ SVERIGE)

[075/053] ca. 2000 BC
Thâ wrdon kråfta sâmlath, thri pêlun fon Goda-his burch wrdon hja wither stonden, tha orloch bilêv.
Kât jefta Kâter-inne, alsa hête thju fâm, thêr burchfâm to Goda burch was.

Toen werden krachten verzameld, drie palen van Godasburgt werden zij wederstaan, de oorlog bleef.
Kat of Katerinne, zoo heette de priesteres, die burgtmaagd op Godasburgt was.
Then all the forces were assembled, and three hours from Godasburgt they were withstood, but war continued.
Kat or Katerine was the name of the priestess who was Burgtmaagd of Godasburgt.


[129/093] ca. 590 BC
Thi Mâgy tham sina Fryas svna hagja wilde stald-iri as Moder to Godaburch et Skênland,
mên hju wilde mâr, hju sêid-im thåt sahwersa hi Adela vpruma koste,
hi måster skolde wertha over êl Fryas land.

De Magy, die zijne Fryaszonen behagen wilde, stelde haar aan als Moeder op Godaburgt in Schoonland;
maar zij wilde meer, zij zeide hem dat, bijaldien hij Adela uit den weg ruimen konde,
hij meester zoude worden over geheel Fryas land.
The Magy, who wished to please his sons of Frya, appointed her mother of Godaburgt, in Schoonland;
but she wished for more, and she told him that if he could get Adela out of the way
he might become master of the whole of Frya's land.


LINDASBURCH(T) / LINDASNÔSE (WEST-SKÊNLAND) = LINDESNES (NORWAY/ NORGE)

[125/090] ca. 590 BC
Thêr heth er en burch ebuwad, Lindasburch hêten, vmbe dâna to wrekana vs lêth.
Daar heeft hij eene burgt gebouwd, Lindasburgt geheeten, om daar ons leed te wreken.
There he built a citadel named Lindasburgt, in order there to avenge our wrong.

[179/131] ca. 300 BC
Tha irtha bêterad was, kêm er en hêrtoga fon Lindasburch wêi, mit sin folk ånd en fâm,
thju fâm kêthe allomme: Thene Mâgy is skeldich an al-eth lêt thåt wi lêden håve.

Toen de aarde hersteld was, kwam er een hertog van Lindasburgt met zijn volk en eene maagd,
die alom uitriep: de Magy is schuldig aan al het leed, dat wij geleden hebben.
When the earth was composed there came a duke of Lindasburgt with his people, and one maiden
who cried everywhere, Magy is the cause of all the misery that we have suffered.


[199/147] ca. 300 BC
An tha sûdwester herne fon Skênland, thêr lêid Lindasburcht tonômath Lindasnôse,
thrvch vsa Apol stift, alsa in thit bok biskrêwen stât.

Aan de zuidwestelijke hoek van Schoonland, aldaar ligt Lindasburgt, toegenaamd Lindasneus,
door onzen Apol gesticht, gelijk in dit boek geschreven staat.
In the south-west point of Scandinavia there lies Lindasburgt, called Lindasnôse,
built by one [our] Apol, as is written in the book.


SKÊNLAND / NORTLAND = SCANDINAVIA (other)

[073/050-051] ca. 2090 BC
Skênland blôst, slâvona folka stôppath vppat thin klât, o Frya. (...)
Fon-t êne dêl nis nên tâl to vs ne kêmen,
men thåt ôre dêl fyl åfter to vs Skênland.
Skênland was sunnich bifolkath, ånd anda åfter-kâd thåt sunnichste fon al.

Schoonland bloost, slavenvolken stappen op uw kleed, o Frya. (...)
Van het eene gedeelte is geen bericht tot ons gekomen,
maar het ander gedeelte viel achter in ons Schoonland.
Schoonland was schaars bevolkt en aan de achterkant het spaarzaamst van al.
Schoonland (Scandinavia) blushes, an enslaved people tramples on your garment, Frya. (...)
Of the one no account has come to us,
but the other came in the back of our Schoonland,
which was thinly inhabited, particularly the upper part.


[075/052] ca. 2090 BC
Thêr navt flya machton wrdon vrdên, Frya wårth anhropen,
men tha Skênlandar hêdon hira rêd warlâsed.

Die niet vlieden konden, werden gedood. Frya werd aangeroepen,
maar de Schoonlanders hadden haren raad verwaarloosd.
All who could not flee away were killed. Frya was appealed to,
but the Schoonlanders (Scandinavians) had neglected her advice.


[077/055] ca. 2000 BC
Afternêi håvon hja tha strêt Kâtsgat hêten.
Naderhand hebben zij die straat het Kattegat geheeten.
This strait was afterwards called the Kattegat.

[111/079] ca. 590 BC
Thrvch Wodins dor ånd dertenhêd was thene Magy bâs wrden ovir Skênlandis astardêl.
(...) Thju Moder wildet navt wêrha, hja sprêk ånde kêth, ik sja nên frêse an sina wêpne,
men wel vmbe tha Skênlander wêr to nimmande, thrvchdam hja bastered ånd vrdêren sind.

Door Wodins dwaze dartelheid, was de Magy meester geworden over het oosterdeel van Schoonland.
(...) De Moeder wilde het niet weren, zij sprak zeggende: Ik zie geen gevaar in zijne wapenen,
maar wel om de Schoonlanden weer te nemen, omdat zij verbasterd en verdorven zijn.
Through the mad wantonness of Wodin, Magy had become master of the east part of Scandinavia.
(...) The mother would not prevent it. She said, I see no danger in their weapons,
but much in taking the Scandinavians back again, because they are so degenerate and spoilt.


[113/081] ca. 590 BC
In stêde fon tha owera to biwâkande spandon hja hjara horsa for hjara togum ånd runon nêi Skênland thâ.
Tha Skênlander, tham nêy wêron nêi that land hjarar êthla kêmon nêi tha Dênemarkum.

In plaats van de oevers te bewaken, spanden hij hunne paarden voor hunne sleden, en reden naar Schoonland.
Doch de Schoonlanders, die begeerig waren naar het land hunner voorvaderen, kwamen naar de Denemarken.
Instead of watching on the shores, they put their horses in their sledges and drove off to Scandinavia.
Then the Scandinavians, who hungered after the land of their forefathers, came to Denmark.


[125/090] ca. 590 BC
Thâ is Apol min jungere brother fon hyr nêi thêre westsyde fon Skênlând fâren.
Toen is Apol mijn jongere broeder, van hier naar de westzijde van Schoonland gevaren.
Then my younger brother, Apol, sailed from here to the west side of Schoonland.

[149/109] ca. 590 BC
Êr wêron thêr mâr wêst, men sont wi Skênland miste, send hja nêi tha berga gvngon.
Voorheen waren er meer geweest, maar sedert wij Schoonland misten, zijn zij naar de bergen gegaan.
Formerly they were more numerous, but since we lost Schoonland they have gone up to the mountains.

[179/130]  ca. 300 BC
Thit skrift is mij ower Nortland jeftha Skênland jêven.
Vndera tida thåt vs land del sêg, wêre ik to Skênland.

Dit geschrift is mij over Noordland of Schoonland gegeven.
Ten tijde dat ons land neder zonk, was ik in Schoonland.
This writing has been given to me about Northland and [or] Schoonland.
When our land was submerged I was in Schoonland.


[179/131] ca. 300 BC
Sont komath tha gode Northljud vâken to Texland vmb there Moder-is rêd.
Thâ wi ne mügath hjam for nêne rjuchta Fryas mar ne halde.

Sedert dien tijd komen de goede Noormannen dikwijls op Texland om raad van de Moeder.
Doch wij kunnen hen niet voor rechte Friezen meer houden.
Since that time the good Northmen come often to Texland for the advice of the mother;
still we cannot [no longer] consider them real Frisians [Fryas].


[219/161] ca. 270 BC
Thju tâle thêra Ast Skênlandar is thrvch tha wla Mâgjara vrbrûd;
thju tâle thêra Kaltana folgar is thrvch tha smûgrige Gole vrderven.

De taal der Oost Schoonlanders is door de vuile Magyaren verdraaid;
de taal der Keltana volgers is door de smerige Golen verdorven.
The language of the East Schoonlanders has been perverted by the vile Magyars,
and the language of the followers of Kaltana has been spoiled by the dirty Gauls.


[251/208] ca. 50 BC
Tha Saxmanna brochten hju ovir hjara marka, mith tha Juttar for hju nêi Skênland
ånd alingen thêre kâd fon tha Balda-sê, mith Askar his stjûrar for hju nêi Britanja.

De Saksmannen brachten ze over hunne marken; met de Jutten voer zij naar Schoonland
en langs de kusten van de Baltische zee; met Askar zijne zeelieden voer zij naar Brittannia.
The Saxsenmen took it over to their marches. The Jutlanders brought it to Schoonland
and along the coasts of the Baltic Sea, and with Askar's mariners it was taken to Britain.


View PostOtharus, on 21 March 2011 - 07:21 AM, said:

Missed yet another interesting reference to SKÊNLAND (Scandinavia).

Probably (the area of) Uppsala in Sweden is meant:

[Ottema&Sandbach p.6/ original p.3]

Men sin ljuda dêdon mâr:
bern wrdon to sok makad,
nei vpsalândum wêibrocht,
ånd sâhwersa hja vpbrocht wêron an sina vvla lêr,
thån wrdon hja to bek sendon.

Maar zijne lieden deden meer;
kinderen werden te zoek gemaakt,
naar de bovenlanden weggevoerd,
en nadat zij opgevoed waren in zijne verderfelijke leer,
dan werden zij terug gezonden.
His people did even more.
Children disappeared,
were taken away to the uplands,
and after they had been brought up in his pernicious doctrines,
were sent back.



Edited by Otharus, 13 January 2012 - 11:21 PM.


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Posted 14 January 2012 - 12:16 AM

View PostKnul, on 13 January 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

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The petroglyphs look like four letter words. Poor professor, who didn't publish his discovery in a learned journal, but in a local newspaper.

It's not the professor who discovered it:

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Did Crete have prehistoric connections with Norway in the Bronze Age?

A Minoan message on a granite slab in Norway.

Johan Jarnaes, a citizen of the small Norwegian town of Kongsberg, is the one making this assertion. Kongsberg is situated 80 km to the west of the Norwegian capital of Oslo. Johan Jarnaes holds university degrees in history, archaeology and languages. On a late evening in autumn 1987 Johan was out for a walk in the outlying fields surrounding the small town of Kongsberg. Due to the low sunlight he discovered some strange, unknown, signs on a flat granite slab. The slab was part of a farmyard belonging to a friend of his. Johan had been on the spot many times, but neither he nor his friend, the owner, had seen these signs before. The signs were revealed only because Johan happened to pass there just at the moment the sun was setting, thus throwing a beam of light onto the slab.

After the slab had been cleaned, some engraved characters became visible.

Jarnaes found the characters sensational since they reminded him at first sight of characters from the classical Greek alphabet. Furthermore he discovered 12 circular cup shaped marks with a diameter of 4 to 8 cm as well as a drawing that apparently was an illustration of a boat! There were also other engravings on the granite slab. The engraving techniques indicated that they had originated in various different eras. In addition to the previously mentioned characters, signs and drawings, Johan discovered an even more peculiar one which had no resemblance to any of the others. The lower part Johan later recognised as a “bag for water or wine”. The strangest was, however, that on the outside of the “bag” a horizontal parallel wavelike drawing was visible. Jarnaes came to the conclusion that the wavelike drawing was apparently meant to describe water! On the top of the bag there was an even stranger sign that reminded him of the letter V in the Latin alphabet. The most mysterious in this whole figure was that the three parallel wavelike lines were identical with the ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic sign for water!

The boat was, for Jarnaes, a familiar drawing on many granite slabs in south-western Norway as well as in the Swedish county of “Bohuslan”. The carving technique was very similar to the above mentioned engravings from Kongsberg. Consequently Jarnaes could determine the time period to be the bronze age,  1500 – 2000 BC.

The enigma.

Jarnaes was most surprised. What could these inscriptions possibly mean? They reminded him of characters in the ancient Greek alphabet, but there were also clear indications that the characters were almost a 1000 years older. The origin of the Greek alphabet can be determined with great accuracy to 750 BC.

What happened at Kongsberg before 1623?

The town was founded in 1623 because a shepherd found a large lump of silver. The silver mining led to the rapid growth of Kongsberg which soon became a town of 10,000 inhabitants. By 1958 the silver load had been exhausted and mining was discontinued. In accordance with “the official opinion”, the town of Kongsberg had had no history before 1623. This opinion was, however, not shared by Jarnaes and hisfriends in the “Kongsberg Archaeological Society”. For more than 30 years the society has carried out its own research in order to establish the fact that the town did have a history before 1623. Amongst Jarnaes’ friends were experts in many fields, such as languages, history, archaeology, geology, and astronomy. Jarnaes has summarised the results of this research in a book.

Linear A characters of the writing system belonging to the Minoan civilisation of Crete!

Jarnaes’ idea that the characters could belong to the classical Greek alphabet could not be correct because they were all consonants, whilst the Greek language was particularly rich in vowels. The findings on the granite slab at the farm
“Langkjern” were made in 1987. The enigma remained unsolved until the Norwegian linguist; Kjell Aartun came to Kongsberg in 1994. He is internationally well known in scientific linguistic circles. Amongst others, Kjell Aartun has received a prize from “The Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters” for his research on ancient languages of theMediterranean and theMiddle East. Aartun determined that the characters belonged to the Minoan writing system Linear A, fromCrete.


http://araenil.wordp...s-crete-norway/

http://people.ku.edu...ounger/LinearA/

http://jarnaes.wordpress.com/


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Posted 14 January 2012 - 02:08 AM

View PostOtharus, on 13 January 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

Ofcourse it must have made some sort of sentence to you.

I should have said that it made less sense to me than WÉR.HA = weer-hebben = have back (retrieve).

You must be extremely intelligent, but when I invited you to try and translate that fragment, I highly overestimated you.
Maybe you are overestimating yourself, why use a Dutch word when these words can be found in the Frisian dictionary?

nildet navt wer.ha

nilla is 'not want' - this word is also willa as per the Fris. Dictionary or has Ottema really made an error by substituting w for n?

det is ded = deed, fact, fine, injury

nildet = not want injury.

navt is naut/nawet = nothing, not (nor)

wer.ha is wera = be liable.

(the mother) nildet navt wer.ha = the mother not wanted injury nor (to) be liable.

In an mmm bop it's gone...