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DHS orders 160 billion rounds of ammo


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#16    Neognosis

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 12:58 PM

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Wouldn't it be something if Obama just launches something to keep himself in office and declare himself El Presidente and scratches the voting arrangement.

An awful lot of anti-Obama sentiment is not based on anything that Obama has done in office at all, but in wild speculation of what he MIGHT do. None of which he has actually done.

He hasn't done ANYTHING in regard to second amendment rights, yet the right keeps insisting he will or is about to. So there's the usual nonsense that is driving up the cost of ammo... and for a weekly sporting clays shooter like myself, I don't appreciate your horseshit paranoia, as it's actually costing me money.


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Posted 22 October 2012 - 02:33 PM

Right Neo. I mean, its not like the guy gave himself the power to shoot us on sight with no due process. Oh wait.

Well it not like he fully supported stealing trillions from the tax payer to give to his bankster friends. Oh wait.

We gotta give credit where its due. Its not as if he is forcing Americans to pay for services from private for profit insurance companies. MMM

Well, at least he didnt reapoint the man who one week before the crash of 08 told us everything was fine and the worst was behind us. Then gave away trillions of our tax dollars to foriegn banks. Oh wait.

At least he put a end to the TSA molesting our wives and children just to get on a plane. RRR mm

Well one good thing, at least he didnt continue and advance these unconstitutional undeclared wars in the middle east. That would have been really bad. darn it.

Why are you defending this guy again?

Edited by preacherman76, 22 October 2012 - 02:34 PM.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 05:55 PM

160 Billion? That's not a really big number, in the long term. DHS has around 200,000 employees. This is a one time order, so what we're talking 160b divided by 200,000 employees, that's 800,000 rounds per employee. Over ten years that about 6700 rounds per employees for ten years. That's comes out to about 55 rounds per months over ten years. Most DHS law enforcement divisions practice with their firearms to the tune of a couple hundred rounds per month. So really, I would have expected this number to be much higher. Even if it's for five years, that number is still only 110 rounds per month to practice with, this doesn't include duty rounds to be carried on duty so even if it's for 2.5 years, it still only comes out to a handful of duty rounds per agent per month. Not a big concern, when all the facts are looked at.


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Posted 22 October 2012 - 08:57 PM

Yeah 55 rounds a month is nothing, though I doubt all 200,000 employees would be carrying guns. Still this is nothing more than pointless paranoia. Obama is going to take complete control and kill everyone or some other crap. Still waiting for anything remotely like that to happen.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 09:05 PM

And I thought I was paranoid. :ph34r:


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Posted 22 October 2012 - 10:14 PM

You are, but I still like you. :w00t:


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Posted 22 October 2012 - 10:42 PM

View Postpallidin, on 22 October 2012 - 10:14 PM, said:

You are, but I still like you. :w00t:
At least I'm not as nuts as the guy that started this thread!!


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Posted 22 October 2012 - 11:10 PM

View PostCorp, on 22 October 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

Yeah 55 rounds a month is nothing, though I doubt all 200,000 employees would be carrying guns. Still this is nothing more than pointless paranoia. Obama is going to take complete control and kill everyone or some other crap. Still waiting for anything remotely like that to happen.

Home land has now bought over 10 times the amount they have in any other year. This is an arms race between the government and the people.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 12:03 AM

View Postpreacherman76, on 22 October 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

Home land has now bought over 10 times the amount they have in any other year. This is an arms race between the government and the people.

Well, unless you know some people with nukes, drones, and cruise missiles, I am pretty sure you aren't going to win any arms races with the U.S. Government.


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 01:06 AM

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Right Neo. I mean, its not like the guy gave himself the power to shoot us on sight with no due process. Oh wait.

You are right to be upset about the patriot act and NDAA. But you should be upset at Bush, Congress, and Obama.


Most of the other things you listed are obvious half truths. I'm very much in favor of Obamacare, he drew down in Iraq, did NOT get us involved in Syria, Egypt, Algeria, or Libya.... all nations that were heavily involved in the Arab Spring. We did not put boots on the ground. So I'm not sure what you are saying about advancing wars in the middle east. Care to elaborate?

Edited by Neognosis, 23 October 2012 - 01:16 AM.


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 01:18 AM

View Postpreacherman76, on 22 October 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

Home land has now bought over 10 times the amount they have in any other year. This is an arms race between the government and the people.

Don't worry. If you're a moderate or live and let live libertarian you will be fine. Everyone else is going to the new gulag we're building in Frutopia. Especially fright wingers who spend too much time on the internet spreading conspiracy theories, they'll be first.

Edited by Mr. Smith, 23 October 2012 - 01:19 AM.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 01:35 AM

hey, may be they need all the ammo cuz they finally decided to guard our borders now, and issue border agent live ammo instead of bean bags. lets hope it is so.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 01:56 AM

View Postaztek, on 23 October 2012 - 01:35 AM, said:

hey, may be they need all the ammo cuz they finally decided to guard our borders now, and issue border agent live ammo instead of bean bags. lets hope it is so.

Good luck with that. Big business wants cheap labor and the prison/law enforcement groups want illegal drugs to keep coming so they can make mo' money.

eta:but it would be nice to see real border enforcement.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 02:33 AM

View PostMr. Smith, on 23 October 2012 - 01:18 AM, said:

Don't worry. If you're a moderate or live and let live libertarian you will be fine. Everyone else is going to the new gulag we're building in Frutopia. Especially fright wingers who spend too much time on the internet spreading conspiracy theories, they'll be first.

FEMA camps there real I read it on the internet.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 03:09 AM

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160 Billion? That's not a really big number, in the long term. DHS has around 200,000 employees. This is a one time order, so what we're talking 160b divided by 200,000 employees, that's 800,000 rounds per employee. Over ten years that about 6700 rounds per employees for ten years. That's comes out to about 55 rounds per months over ten years. Most DHS law enforcement divisions practice with their firearms to the tune of a couple hundred rounds per month. So really, I would have expected this number to be much higher. Even if it's for five years, that number is still only 110 rounds per month to practice with, this doesn't include duty rounds to be carried on duty so even if it's for 2.5 years, it still only comes out to a handful of duty rounds per agent per month. Not a big concern, when all the facts are looked at.


800 000 of their employees are certainly not all armed.

Also, does anyone know what type of ammo this is, out of curiosity?

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