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[Bionic Bigfoot]

Fair enough, it's your opinion and I don't agree with your conclusions.

I really do have to wonder though, I've only been a member here for 3 days now and I've run into nothing but negativity and close mindedness.  I'm posting in the forums that I have an interest in and about subjects I believe to be true and yet, there is a constant barrage of posters giving their opinions of WHY these things don't exist.  There are various forums about religion and those beliefs on this board, but you don't see me jumping into those discussions and topics and trying to convince those members that the bible and god is a fairy tale.  Why do the religious fanatics feel it's necessary to post in the forums about UFO's, aliens and bigfoot if they don't believe?  I can't even imagine why there are forums for religion and aliens and UFO"s on the same message board.  The two subjects are apposed to one another.

[Neognosis]

Let me be clear. I can get a bit excited when in the throes of a discussion.

I think it's perfectly fine to believe in bigfoot. what harm does it do?

But I will discuss what constitutes evidence, and how bigfoot likely CANNOT exist all day if you want.

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I've run into nothing but negativity and close mindedness.

It is not closed minded to understand things and come to a conclusion. "Open minded" doesn't mean disregarding the things we know in exchange for something unsupported. True open mindedness means considering all the possibilities and CONSIDERING THE EVIDENCE and what we know about a topic.

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There are various forums about religion and those beliefs on this board, but you don't see me jumping into those discussions and topics and trying to convince those members that the bible and god is a fairy tale

I don't either. (partly because I BELIEVE in God)... however, if someone posted "evidence" for the existence of God, I would join in that discussion. I BELIEVE in God because there is no evidence for God's existence. That is why I BELIEVE  in God. And why it is ok in my book to BELIEVE in bigfoot. Belief does not need to be supported by evidence.

[OverSword]

Don't fret that.  If you go back any amount of years and look at a sasquatch thread you will find neognosis on it doing and saying the exact same things.  I think he must twitch whenever he sees the word bigfoot and just can't help but re-state his argument over and over.  I personally believe bigfoot does exist due to my own personal experience.

[Bionic Bigfoot]

OverSword, on 09 October 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

I personally believe bigfoot does exist due to my own personal experience.

Wonderful and thanks!  Is there a topic you posted about your experience?  If not, I'd love to hear the FULL story about your encounter!

[keninsc]

Bionic Bigfoot, on 09 October 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:

Fair enough, it's your opinion and I don't agree with your conclusions.

I really do have to wonder though, I've only been a member here for 3 days now and I've run into nothing but negativity and close mindedness.  I'm posting in the forums that I have an interest in and about subjects I believe to be true and yet, there is a constant barrage of posters giving their opinions of WHY these things don't exist.  There are various forums about religion and those beliefs on this board, but you don't see me jumping into those discussions and topics and trying to convince those members that the bible and god is a fairy tale.  Why do the religious fanatics feel it's necessary to post in the forums about UFO's, aliens and bigfoot if they don't believe?  I can't even imagine why there are forums for religion and aliens and UFO"s on the same message board.  The two subjects are apposed to one another.

There are various types here, some are so cynical that if Bigfoot was captured, studied and put on display for the world to see they'd not believe it. Why? Because they are so steeped in their disbelief they can't accept anything but total rejection, and you know who you are. Now, if the nasty guys get to be too much for you then I suggest you use the ignore feature. I have a number on that list and it cuts down on all the attempts to start flaming wars, although a couple do band together to make sure I see his posts by quoting him.......I added them to the list as well. There are plenty here who discuss the subject with you and not resort to flaming, flame baiting and childish antics. Also, if the attacks get personal then contact the mods by using the "Report" button at the lower left.

This is a skeptical board, nothing wrong with having a belief challenged, if you really want to see a board dominated by internet-Nazis then go to the BFRO's forums. Say the wrong thing there and you could be booted by the cult following of the show. No, everyone isn't all touchy-freely here, but if you can support your contentions then you'll do ok. You don't get an automatic rubber stamp of approval for being a believer in Bigfoot here. And that is not a negative thing at all, you should know enough about your subject to know why you believe or don't believe,

[Neognosis]

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There are various types here, some are so cynical that if Bigfoot was captured, studied and put on display for the world to see they'd not believe it. Why? Because they are so steeped in their disbelief they can't accept anything but total rejection, and you know who you are.

that is not true, and there is no basis to claim that. The above statement is meant to do nothing more except make a personal attack in an attempt to claim that it is not the absolute lack of evidence, but a character flaw that makes one deny the existence of bigfoot.

[OverSword]

Bionic Bigfoot, on 09 October 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

Wonderful and thanks!  Is there a topic you posted about your experience?  If not, I'd love to hear the FULL story about your encounter!

Not much to tell.  In 1978 or 79 a friend and I were out hiking in some foot hills in western Washington when we came across around 100 prints in a dried up pond  and up the side of a hill.  It was pretty far off of the beaten path so a set of hoax prints there wouldn't have made sense since the chances of anyone seeing them would not be likely at all.  You could tell they were made by real feet because the toes were in different positions in some of the prints. I would guess fake feet wouldn't be capable of that.  The thing that really made them different from human feet was it looked like they bent at the toes and then much farther than behind what would be the ball of human feet.

I was a teenager at the time but I don't think my memory has exagerated the experience too much over the years.

[Bionic Bigfoot]

Thanks for sharing your story, OverSword.  This is what I consider proof and because of your detailed description of the prints.  Cardboard cutouts or any hard foot template wouldn't leave those discrepancies in the tracks.  Any like many, many others who have found tracks out in the middle of nowhere, it's not logical that it was a human making tracks in a desolate area just hoping they would be discovered.  Also, this was back in the 70's when hoaxing wasn't nearly as popular as it is today.  Do you remember or can you guess at how large the tracks were?

Edited by Bionic Bigfoot, 09 October 2012 - 04:59 PM.

[OverSword]

I can't be sure because we had no way to measure at the time but I was 14 or 15 years old and my and my foot would almost fit in it twice.  But really neognosis is right.  This is not proof.  If we had taken casts it would be evidence, and evidence is different than proof.  Although I don't think this is the case in the prints I saw, it is a fact that if you make tracks in wet mud they will actually get larger as the dry.

[keninsc]

Interesting story and a great catch to notice the toe placement changes, not only that but to realize it was not in a location that one would expect it to be found.

In the case of evidence, it can be subjective. I recall one staement Matt Moneymaker said on his show when Rene was not sure about what he was seeing and he bowed up at her and said words to the effect of: "How can you look at the exact same thing as me and come up with a completely different conclusion?" A lot of stuff can be faked so easily it isn't funny, and even when you show people how easily it can be faked they still don't bother to ask questions before jumping on the Bigfoot bandwasgon.

Edited by keninsc, 09 October 2012 - 05:13 PM.

[Bionic Bigfoot]

It's proof to me.  I don't need to see flouride in my tap water, but I know it's there!

[keninsc]

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that is not true, and there is no basis to claim that. The above statement is meant to do nothing more except make a personal attack in an attempt to claim that it is not the absolute lack of evidence, but a character flaw that makes one deny the existence of bigfoot.

We have a saying here in the South, ".....the first chicken to cackle is usually the one who laid the egg....". How is it a personal attack? Is anyone specifically named? Is it directed at anyone in particular? Since none of these are the case then it's your own sense of guilt kicking in when someone holds a mirror up to you and you can see the darkness within you. I actually have you on the ignore feature but made the mistake of coming to thew thread before logging in to block you. Be a good lad and don't start acting like another long term poster that chases me about begging for my attention when I have him on ignore. Don't send me emails, don't get a buddy to reply to your post so's to be sure I see it. I suggest you put me on ignore so we can both ignore each other equally. Now be a good lad and post away, just don't come after me. Your opinions, thoughts, observations, experiences, philosophies, and general sense of empirical direction are of no importance to me and I'd really prefer not to see you at all. Although, I do share some of your beliefs you're too much of an internet ogre for me tolerate.

Thank you.

[keninsc]

Bionic Bigfoot, on 09 October 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

It's proof to me.  I don't need to see flouride in my tap water, but I know it's there!

See, that's what I'm talking about, you're too steeped in your own belief to be objective, hence you can be fooled into acceptance of something that isn't real. That's not intended to be a put down, just a statement of observation.

Edited by keninsc, 09 October 2012 - 05:31 PM.

[Neognosis]

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This is what I consider proof and because of your detailed description of the prints.

You have an extremely loose requirement for "proof."

No wonder you are so set in your conviction.  A story on the internet told by someone who claims they saw footprints nearly 40 years ago... this is proof to you?

And your conclusion, rather than that the "footprints" were misidentified, or the memory of the storyteller is a bit changed after 40 years, or that they weren't prints at all, or that they were any other plausible and POSSIBLE explanations... instead your conclusion is that they are proof of a giant ape that has never, not one time, been documented by science and leaves no discernible impact on the ecosystem?

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But really neognosis is right.  This is not proof.  If we had taken casts it would be evidence, and evidence is different than proof.

Casts would be evidence of ONE thing and one thing only... that something had made impressions in the dirt and mud, and you took a cast of it.
That's it.

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How is it a personal attack? Is anyone specifically named? Is it directed at anyone in particular?

It is a personal attack because you are not arguing evidence or anything relevant to the topic at hand. Instead, you are making a wild and broad statement that those who don't agree with you simply don't agree with you because they don't want to. Nevermind that you have no evidence, and they have science on their side. It's just because they are stubborn, right?

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Be a good lad and don't start acting like another long term poster that chases me about begging for my attention when I have him on ignore. Don't send me emails, don't get a buddy to reply to your post so's to be sure I see it.

You don't need to worry about any of that.

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I actually have you on the ignore feature but made the mistake of coming to thew thread before logging in to block you. Be a good lad and don't start acting like another long term poster that chases me about begging for my attention when I have him on ignore. Don't send me emails, don't get a buddy to reply to your post so's to be sure I see it. I suggest you put me on ignore so we can both ignore each other equally.

I don't feel the need to ignore people that stand up to me and challenge the things I say and believe on the internet. I enjoy hearing different points of view. That's fine if you don't though, it is your loss.

[AliveInDeath7]

Another sighting.. It doesn't matter how many sightings, we need proof. Which leads me to believe that there are no bigfoot or yetis or any other sort of furry humanoid. If there was, they would've been caught on trail cams by now, come on. Unless they really do come from another dimension.