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Independent testing of Rossi's E-Cat Device


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#1    g00dfella

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 01:11 AM

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 01:16 AM

Another article on the same thing http://www.extremete...-density-of-gas

Wouldn't be something if this thing is real and not another scam.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 08:20 AM

Is it that hard to do with E-Cat what R.W. Wood did with N-rays? Just put inert gases (argon, nitrogen) instead of hydrogen (through randomly switched valves), and see if results are the same. I bet, Rossi would get same results, if someone would replace hydrogen with inert gases without Rossi noticing that.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:12 AM

View Postbmk1245, on 23 May 2013 - 08:20 AM, said:

Is it that hard to do with E-Cat what R.W. Wood did with N-rays? Just put inert gases (argon, nitrogen) instead of hydrogen (through randomly switched valves), and see if results are the same. I bet, Rossi would get same results, if someone would replace hydrogen with inert gases without Rossi noticing that.

Thanks, I had not known of this, but Hydrogen is much more available right?


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 11:25 AM

View Postg00dfella, on 24 May 2013 - 01:12 AM, said:



Thanks, I had not known of this, but Hydrogen is much more available right?

I have tanks of both nitrogen and argon used for manufacturing processes (keeping things moisture free and laser welding) Not even expensive.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 09:14 AM

View Postg00dfella, on 24 May 2013 - 01:12 AM, said:

Thanks, I had not known of this, but Hydrogen is much more available right?
As Bade said, getting nitrogen and argon is not the problem. "Problem" is with production of hydrogen: nowadays ~95% of hydrogen is produced by using fossil fuels such as natural gas, oil, or coal.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 04:13 PM

The "comment section" of the OP's article is an interesting read.

Some suggest that this "independent test" was not nearly as independent as one might think.

As such, I am going to refrain from calling this a "validation" for now.


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Posted 25 May 2013 - 04:23 PM

View Postpallidin, on 25 May 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

The "comment section" of the OP's article is an interesting read.

Some suggest that this "independent test" was not nearly as independent as one might think.

As such, I am going to refrain from calling this a "validation" for now.

I think that is the best course of action for now.   These "tests" get it out in the open, now the real testing will, hopefully, begin.

Nice midterms democrats.  As Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 05:23 PM

View PostMerc14, on 25 May 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

I think that is the best course of action for now.   These "tests" get it out in the open, now the real testing will, hopefully, begin.
Lets hope it won't be tsunami of youtube-like "tests".

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Posted 04 August 2014 - 01:09 AM

I like to go back and check on this subject every now and then....

Here is what Wiki is saying now....

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In May 2013 a non-peer-reviewed paper describing "results obtained from evaluations of the operation of the E-Cat HT in two test runs" was submitted to the arXiv digital archive.[59] Although the authors of the paper wrote that they were not in control of all of the aspects of the process, they concluded that, even by the most conservative of measurements, the device produced excess heat with a resulting energy density that was at least one order of magnitude, and possibly several, higher than any other conventional energy source, including gasoline.[60][61][62] The test was partly funded by the Swedish energy research consortium, Elforsk.[63] Elforsk stated on their website that the results were very remarkable, but that it was highly questionable to speculate whether nuclear transformation had occurred when no access had been provided to the reactants.[64] In a response to the original paper, also published on arXiv, commentators criticized the testing as not truly independent, described the report as having "characteristics more typically found in pseudo‐scientific texts", and stated that "The authors seem to jump to conclusions fitting pre‐conceived ideas where alternative explanations are possible."[65][66][67] Astrophysicist Ethan Siegel commented at ScienceBlogs saying Rossi did not allow the reactants or products to be measured on this occasion. In the previous tests there were not enough Nickel-62 and Nickel-64 (the only two isotopes which can fuse with hydrogen), at 3.6% and 0.9% respectively, in the reactants to explain the 10% copper output; these isotope levels are typical of natural copper, rather than of fusion by-product. According to Siegel, Rossi also refused to unplug the machine while it was operating despite it being an easy way to surreptitiously power the device. He also added that the supposedly independent testers had to rely on data supplied by Rossi.[68]
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In January 2014 Industrial Heat LLC, a U.S. Company based in Raleigh, N.C., announced that it has acquired the "intellectual property and licensing rights" to the E-Cat. Popular Science called the acquisition "interesting" and said, "There are many reasons to be skeptical of the technology, considering that it has never been conclusively proven to work, and claims to work via an unfamiliar chemical reaction. Rossi has also previously passed off spurious inventions, and has repeatedly backed-out of third party testing of the E-Cat, for example with NASA."[76] Triangle Business Journal reported that 14 investors have put $11.6 million into the company, as "a mixture of equity, debt and options". They noted that CEO Tom Darden is also CEO of Cherokee Investment Partners, which has "nearly $2 billion under management", and that Industrial Heat was "one of the topics he discussed with Chinese officials on a recent trip to China."[77][78] Rossi "claims to focus on his role as head of research for the technology".[79]

Maybe Mr Rossi is nearing the payday he has been pushing for since day one, and will finally be able to end this long scam.

Industrial Heats report....
http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913

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