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#61    Amerix

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:33 PM

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Personally I doubt it's ours; unless the technology is back engineered from ET.

Why does it have to be back engineered?  If people truly understood the sort of funding that goes into black projects, and the resources these people have, it's not hard to believe that these things were made by us.  Instead, people see some new exotic technology, and instead of praising human innovation, they immediately claim "alien technology".

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:44 PM

View PostCpl599, on 28 December 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Why does it have to be back engineered?  If someone people truly understood the sort of funding that goes into black projects, and the resources these people have, it's not hard to believe that these things were made by us.  Instead, people see some new exotic technology, and instead of praising human innovation, they immediately claim "alien technology".
Then why would they let the generic Public see them if they'd spent trillions and twenty years or more developing them? Why fly them low over inhabited areas, so that if something went on the blink it wouldn't be secret for much longer, would it? it's illogical.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 06:13 PM

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Then why would they let the generic Public see them if they'd spent trillions and twenty years or more developing them? Why fly them low over inhabited areas, so that if something went on the blink it wouldn't be secret for much longer, would it? it's illogical.

What's illogical is believing little green men are traveling from distant galaxies to corn hole the rectums of cattle and chase planes.

People saw the B2 Spirit flying around the sky for more than a decade before it was officially made public.  What's your point?


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 06:38 PM

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What's illogical is believing little green men are traveling from distant galaxies to corn hole the rectums of cattle and chase planes.

People saw the B2 Spirit flying around the sky for more than a decade before it was officially made public.  What's your point?
So the argument is reduced, as usual, to absurdity; ignore completely the objections to the explanation that they're all secret aircraft, and go on satirically about little green men. Is it any wonder there's so little sensible discussion of the subject.
Did people say they say the B-2 for more than a decade before it was officlally made public? If they did, it couldn't have been that, because it never actually flew before it was made public.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 06:52 PM

View Post747400, on 28 December 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

So the argument is reduced, as usual, to absurdity; ignore completely the objections to the explanation that they're all secret aircraft, and go on satirically about little green men. Is it any wonder there's so little sensible discussion of the subject.
Did people say they say the B-2 for more than a decade before it was officlally made public? If they did, it couldn't have been that, because it never actually flew before it was made public.

I think he meant the F-117 Stealth Bombers that flew for over a decade in secret and were responsible for countless UFO sightings.

Nice midterms democrats.  As Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 06:58 PM

Yes, I meant the F117. My apologies.  The point still remains, people have seen black project aircraft that has nothing to do with alien technology for some time now.   Only in the past few years have other nations even begun to start using stealth aircraft technology, while we had it for almost 40 years.  To assume technology in black projects are not ahead of their time is ignorance in the highest form.


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 07:04 PM

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Yes, I meant the F117. My apologies.  The point still remains, people have seen black project aircraft that has nothing to do with alien technology for some time now.   Only in the past few years have other nations even begun to start using stealth aircraft technology, while we had it for almost 40 years.  To assume technology in black projects are not ahead of their time is ignorance in the highest form.
did they? The point of flying them from Groom Lake was that people wouldn't see them. How many documented instances were there of them being seen? The fact that even the general shape was still being guessed at, and often wrongly, right up until they were first revealed would suggest that they weren't actually seen by very many people. And certainly never flying at low level with lights on right over cities. What would be the point of building an enormous base way out in the desert, with all the famous security around it, if you then weren't bothered about who saw them? It makes no sense at all.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 07:07 PM

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did they? The point of flying them from Groom Lake was that people wouldn't see them. How many documented instances were there of them being seen? The fact that even the general shape was still being guessed at, and often wrongly, right up until they were first revealed would suggest that they weren't actually seen by very many people. And certainly never flying at low level with lights on right over cities. What would be the point of building an enormous base way out in the desert, with all the famous security around it, if you then weren't bothered about who saw them? It makes no sense at all.

What makes no sense at all is denying human innovation.  In less than a hundred years we went from a horse and buggy to nuclear energy and putting a man on the moon.  To think man cannot advance in technology on our own, and that it HAS to be alien technology,  is the epitome of ignorance.


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 07:10 PM

As for black project aircraft being mistaken for UFO's

http://www.popularme...ion/ufo/4304207

The CIA estimates that over half of the UFOs reported from the '50s through the '60s were U-2 and SR-71 spy planes. At the time, the Air Force misled the public and the media to protect these Cold War programs; it's possible the government's responses to current sightings of classified craft--whether manned or remotely operated--are equally evasive. The result is an ongoing source of UFO reports and conspiracy theories.





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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:08 PM

View Post747400, on 28 December 2012 - 07:04 PM, said:

did they? The point of flying them from Groom Lake was that people wouldn't see them. How many documented instances were there of them being seen? The fact that even the general shape was still being guessed at, and often wrongly, right up until they were first revealed would suggest that they weren't actually seen by very many people. And certainly never flying at low level with lights on right over cities. What would be the point of building an enormous base way out in the desert, with all the famous security around it, if you then weren't bothered about who saw them? It makes no sense at all.

They actually flew them all over the country.  They were based at Groom Lake and only flew at night but once airborne they were free to fly quite widely as long as they returned to a secure facility during darkness.  I nkow a crash in the desert that had alll kinds of UFO talk spinning around was attributed to a 117 crash.  I am not saying these triangles are black projects but the [precedent is certainly there and like the 117 program, the spooks liked the UFO chaff that was floating around and reportedly encouraged it.

As said before, this was all well over 40 years ago (first flight was 1981) so to think they haven't moved on to other things is not logical.  Attributing the triangles to the military is difficult considering the time line and their behavior but I'd say that it is much more far fetched to say they are from another solar system wouldn't you?   What would surprise you more if the truth came out tomorrow?  :yes:

Nice midterms democrats.  As Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:44 PM

The 117 didnt hover silently over citys did it ? It was afterall a bit of a Wobbley Gobblin !

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:49 PM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 28 December 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

The 117 didnt hover silently over citys did it ? It was afterall a bit of a Wobbley Gobblin !
Indeed, yes. You'd want to stay well away from built up areas with one of those.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:52 PM

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What makes no sense at all is denying human innovation.  In less than a hundred years we went from a horse and buggy to nuclear energy and putting a man on the moon.  To think man cannot advance in technology on our own, and that it HAS to be alien technology,  is the epitome of ignorance.
What makes no sense at all is assuming that our Leaders, having spent all this time and money developing something so secret, would then not only let everyone see it, but would willingly runt he risk of it comign down in built up area if a problem should arise. This is completely the opposite of any sensible way of operating any aircraft, let alone secret ones. Talk of advances in technology and eiptomes of ignorance are irrelevant; what I'm talking about is the logic behind what they supposedly do with them, and there is none.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:56 PM

View PostCpl599, on 28 December 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

As for black project aircraft being mistaken for UFO's

http://www.popularme...ion/ufo/4304207

The CIA estimates that over half of the UFOs reported from the '50s through the '60s were U-2 and SR-71 spy planes. At the time, the Air Force misled the public and the media to protect these Cold War programs; it's possible the government's responses to current sightings of classified craft--whether manned or remotely operated--are equally evasive. The result is an ongoing source of UFO reports and conspiracy theories.




The whole point of both of which was that they operated at very high altitudes; what they were talking about would have been glimpses of something very high up, not cruising about at low altitude over cities. Once again, as i keep asking; why would human ingenuity (which you're so keen to defend) construct mega-million dollar bases way out in the middle of nowhere, and surround it with Berlin Wall-style security, if you weren't worried about who might see the things housed there? That really does, as I keep saying, make no sense at all.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:12 PM

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Once again, as i keep asking; why would human ingenuity (which you're so keen to defend) construct mega-million dollar bases way out in the middle of nowhere, and surround it with Berlin Wall-style security, if you weren't worried about who might see the things housed there? That really does, as I keep saying, make no sense at all.

You don't understand the first thing when it comes to secrecy and government projects.  One of the main, if not THE main reason for building these bases so far away from civilization, is so that during test/prototype phases, if they lose what ever it is they are working on, they can easily retrieve it without worry of prying eyes.   When rigorous tests and carried out, and in this case, the aircraft is ready for production, it's chance of going down are less, so the craft are operated outside of military airspace.

The F-117 and SR-71 are perfect examples.  During their initial building/prototype phase, they were kept away from prying eyes.  Once the aircraft was ready for operation, people saw them all over, and the CIA played on the whole "UFO" phenomenon to continue covering their tracks.

It is EXACTLY the same case here.  When people like you start yelling "UFO UFO!", the sighting immediately loses legitimacy, and potential enemies won't be watching as close.  It's a post Cold War era, and the military is still using the hype of the UFO phenomenon to cover its black project tracks until they are ready to disclose their new aircraft to the public.

But let me ask you this.  What do you think US black project research groups have been doing for the past 40 years?  Sitting on the piles of money they are given every year?  No, they are researching, and advancing.   With your logic, the only way we could have gone to the moon was with alien technology, because only 40 years earlier, people were still using horse and buggy to get around.  Technology can advance at tremendous rates over very short spans of time.  This is what you need to understand.

People have been developing anti-gravity type technology in their garages with successful results.  What do you think an endless source of money and resources, and some of the brightest minds in the world can accomplish for the US military?






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