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#1    Babe Ruth

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 02:13 PM

Juan Cole brings up some interesting historical data and perspective.

http://tinyurl.com/czkgecj

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 02:31 PM

What does it matter what anyone says, Babe?  The piece is obviously designed to inflame and cause argument.  If it is the belief of a person that Islam is no worse than other religions for causing death and mayhem then I think they are seriously deluded.  So much so that they refuse to accept the evidence of their senses.  To argue that Christianity is the cause of most of the bloodshed in the world and that Islam is mild by comparison is similarly delusional.  The author stacks the deck - he even equates religion and nationalism.  Bottom line is people have aligned themselves along political seams in this issue - as in most these days.  Ignoring Islam is a good way to be engulfed by it.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 02:31 PM






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Posted 23 April 2013 - 02:33 PM

Maybe it's just religion in general.

Maybe the people that profess to follow a set of dogma's should, I don't know, actually follow the teachings.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 02:38 PM

I have to disagree that WWI and II had anything to do with religion.  It happened because certain atheists wanted to rule the world and the players happened to be religious.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 02:40 PM

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too

Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You, you may say I'm a dreamer
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I hope someday you will join us
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 02:40 PM

Ridiculous.  No further time shall be wasted on this thread.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 02:41 PM

I don't think the history matters much.    The numbers should be from the past 20 years if we want to use the data.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 02:48 PM

What a load of bilge that story is. I have seen (rather desperate) people try to argue that Hitler was actually a devout Catholic, who went to mass twice a week. This always seemed something of a stretch to me.
I'd suggest to him, think about people such as Stalin, J; Tse-Tung, M; Pot, P. What do they have in common? All (claimed to be) followers of a creed that was atheist by definition, didn't they.

Edited by Colonel Rhuairidh, 23 April 2013 - 02:51 PM.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:31 PM

View PostHilander, on 23 April 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

I have to disagree that WWI and II had anything to do with religion.  It happened because certain atheists wanted to rule the world and the players happened to be religious.

I agree - religious people killing others is somewhat different than killing BECAUSE of religion.

I'll have to reread my history books, but I don't recall any of the D-Day invaders storming the beach screaming "Go Jesus!"

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:38 PM

View PostHilander, on 23 April 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

I have to disagree that WWI and II had anything to do with religion.  It happened because certain atheists wanted to rule the world and the players happened to be religious.

And Hitler enjoyed the support of The Vatican


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:40 PM

Scientology causes the most death.

"At it's most basic level, science is supposed to represent the investigation of the unexplained, not the explanation of the uninvestigated." - Hunt for the Skinwalker

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 04:05 PM

View Postkeithisco, on 23 April 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

And Hitler enjoyed the support of The Vatican
i knew it before long! Yes, never mind the subtleties of history when we can say "Hitler enjoyed the support of The Vatican", and therefore prove one's point that Christianity is Evil and should be Ruthlessly Suppressed. Would you care to comment on the cases of Stalin, J., Tse-Tung, M., and Pot, P., mentioned above, to name but three? How do they fit into the "Christiantiy is repsonsible for 90% of the evil committed in the 20th cnetury" thesis this gentleman has put forward?

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 05:06 PM

John 13:34-35

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34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 05:23 PM

View Postsupervike, on 23 April 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

Maybe it's just religion in general.

Maybe the people that profess to follow a set of dogma's should, I don't know, actually follow the teachings.
I agree supervike.  I call myself Christian and believe that I am heir to the promises Christ made.  I am FAR from perfect but I have faith in those tenets I've mentioned before.  If being perfect in adherence to the dogma of a religion is required then NO ONE will ever make it.  The great difference - and I really believe it is valid to point it out - between Islam and Christianity is that as Christians, those who fall short do so when they kill and hate their enemies while in Islam those two things are perfectly acceptable - even required by their modern teachings.  It is possible to be disgusted by the hate of this religion and still have a heart for those who suffer from it, whether they are Christian, Muslim or Atheist.

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