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#7876    scowl

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:58 PM

View Postzoser, on 28 February 2013 - 07:55 PM, said:

Who said anything about precise details.  They had no written word remember.

That's a very good point! That had no written word! No way to communicate anything with any degree of accuracy! I wonder if that could result in miscommunication over five hundred generations making this folklore unreliable. What do you think, zoser?

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Everyone remembers a severe cataclysm of that destructive power.

How would they not?

I guess there were no severe cataclysms in North America until the Europeans arrived because the natives couldn't recall any.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:59 PM

View Postzoser, on 28 February 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

Here's a good example of precision foundation work.

Notice how amazed Foerster becomes as he surveys the whole artefact.



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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:59 PM

View Postzoser, on 28 February 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

Only fools of modern times need them.

As I said you only need them if you need them.

They clearly didn't.

They were able to create precision both with and without right angles.  Total virtuosity in stonework.



Notice the moulding marks in the above picture?

Then that's not very much virtuosity, is it, if they leave their moulding marks all over it. A real craftsman will tidy up things like that. You'd have thought they'd have given it a rub down or something before they went on.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:02 PM

View Postzoser, on 28 February 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

Here's a good example of precision foundation work.

Notice how amazed Foerster becomes as he surveys the whole artefact.


What part of that aqueduct was a foundation? You know, a structure upon which a building rests, created for stability?

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:02 PM

View Postzoser, on 28 February 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

Only fools of modern times need them.

As I said you only need them if you need them.

They clearly didn't.

They were able to create precision both with and without right angles.  Total virtuosity in stonework.

There are dry stone walls in my neighborhood which have this much precision. They weren't built by aliens unless my neighbors are keeping secrets from me.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:13 PM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 28 February 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

Eeeeh, kids these days, no respect for their Ancient Elders.

Indeed, especially those that think they couldn't shape stone without the aid of aliens and their techno-magic.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:16 PM

View Postzoser, on 28 February 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

You were trying to argue that they were trying to achieve right angles.

I say they didn't need them.

Anything they wanted to do in stone they could have because they had the technology to do so .

Simple.

Let me give you the most basic rule of masonry: make as many stones level and square as possible. This makes the strongest wall. That's what we humans do.

The humans who built this wall were not able to do this or chose not to because it's too much work. That's why the lines aren't straight and level. If they had the technology to easily cut square stones, they would have.

You can't have it both ways, zoser. You can't ramble on about your alien stone cutting technology then claim sloppy masonry like this was also built by aliens that clearly did not use this supposed technology.

Too bad they didn't possess the amazing technology known as cement that we humans developed.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:45 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 28 February 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

Indeed. I've never seen anything more precise or square...

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Keep in mind that these blocks were designed to be interlocking and used "key blocks" to tie them together.  This means dovetail-type interfacing surfaces that necessarily use angles of less than 90 degrees.  The workmanship is superb and will outlast both eons of time and any wonky attempts to discredit it.

Some of the angles may not be precisely 90 degrees, but the smart money will bet they ARE precisely as intended.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:07 PM

View Posthacktorp, on 28 February 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

Keep in mind that these blocks were designed to be interlocking and used "key blocks" to tie them together.  This means dovetail-type interfacing surfaces that necessarily use angles of less than 90 degrees.  The workmanship is superb and will outlast both eons of time and any wonky attempts to discredit it.

Some of the angles may not be precisely 90 degrees, but the smart money will bet they ARE precisely as intended.
But wait a sec, in AA it has been said:
{...} its really been cut at very accurate right angles [...](05:47).

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:19 PM

View Postbmk1245, on 28 February 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

But wait a sec, in AA it was been said:
{...} its really been cut at very accurate right angles [...](05:47).

Yeah I know.  AA made themselves look stupid with that scene.

Many of the angles are 90 degrees and certain of them are not.

But then, they are not exactly aiming their show at the most critical of thinkers.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:35 PM

View Postdanielost, on 28 February 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

There are three ressons given by scientist give for the destruction Puma Punku, 1. A meteor, there is no crater.  2. A war,  again no crater nor are the stones scorched.  3. A loclized flood,  I don't think the nearby lake is large enough.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:48 PM

View Postzoser, on 28 February 2013 - 07:01 PM, said:

So common sense says that some major cataclysm hit the area.

When and what we don't know.  Flood, major earth shifting, whatever.  It was something extremely violent.

It must have been to cause that level of destruction.

Total common sense.

So this is another issue that casts doubt on the archaeological dating.  What was buried and when?

Not quite so Mr Engineer. That is not flooding erosion. The retaining wall are intact, and doing the job they were designed for. Major flooding carves noticeable causeways. I have been through several floods, they are reasonably common in south east QLD. All your picture casts doubt upon is your ability to objectively evaluate any site at all for any sort of realistic evaluation. Although I am not sure that any doubt actually did exist in that regard.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:19 PM

So the Incas forgot how to make metal tools?

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:48 AM

View Postscowl, on 28 February 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

There are dry stone walls in my neighborhood which have this much precision. They weren't built by aliens unless my neighbors are keeping secrets from me.

Nah.  I'm sure that the builders of those walls in your neighborhood had their green cards.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:28 AM

View Postdanielost, on 28 February 2013 - 11:19 PM, said:

So the Incas forgot how to make metal tools?

I understand that this particular area of history is quite arcane, but I'd suggest that you use google before making such a broad and inane statement again:

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Inca bronze has been found to be remarkably pure, aside from very small quantities of sulphur. The proportion of copper in Inca bronze varies from 86% in some articles to 97% in others. Some archaeologists have taken the position that since the greatest quantity of tin is usually found in those bronzes that would seen to require it least, the presence of tin in Inca bronzes should be regarded as accidental. This hypotheses has been carefully considered by the experts of the largest copper companies now known that during World War II enormous quantities of tin were recovered from Bolivian mines where our manufactures were delighted to secure supplies to take the place of those that came from the Straits Settlements before the Japanese occupation. It is also well known that enormous deposits of copper are found in Peru and in Chile but not in combination with tin.
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Incan Warrior Axe (Bronze):
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Thinking the sites are Pre-Incan so this doesn't matter?  You're probably right about your timeline, but:

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Other modes of artistic production practiced
by the Wari include metallurgy using alloys of gold, silver, and
copper;
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The Wari were Pre-Incan and bordered on the Tiahuanaco Empire.

I'm far from an expert on South American Indigenous peoples, to say the least.  However, it's not exactly difficult to find out that you ought not assume a very large assumption without at least a rudimentary check.

Also, marks left by pounding stones have been reported at PP and Tiahuanaco.  The seemingly precisely cut stones at PP were almost certainly cut with copper saws and chisels.  Possibly bronze.

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