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[Rlyeh]

puridalan, on 26 January 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

You might be making fun of me..but I am dead serious when I say 3.6 million DO have land on the moon and this is globally and it is NOT a joke. Also eventually they will be doing passports. Laugh at me now..and I don't think I will be laughing later still if I am right.

Its a money making scheme. No nation recognizes these land claims, so how will you enforce them?

[badeskov]

puridalan, on 26 January 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

You might be making fun of me..but I am dead serious when I say 3.6 million DO have land on the moon and this is globally and it is NOT a joke.

Actually, 3.6 million people may think that they have land on the moon (or somewhere else), but that is simply not so.  

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Also eventually they will be doing passports. Laugh at me now..and I don't think I will be laughing later still if I am right.

Who will be doing passports? Only nations can issue passports. And you think you need a passport to go the moon?

Cheers,
Badeskov

[27vet]

Where man goes, McDonalds will follow...

Edited by 27vet, 26 January 2012 - 05:59 AM.

[puridalan]

Rlyeh, on 26 January 2012 - 05:40 AM, said:

Its a money making scheme. No nation recognizes these land claims, so how will you enforce them?

Enforce them exactly how this planet has. The moon is merely another chunk of physical land. Humans being humans...for a very long time have 'owned' land on what we call earth. Now technically you cannot own anything, but man has tried and done that with laws and statues (which aren't techinically law) put in place. Enforcing it with fedral statutes, state statues, amdmin proc, operating procdure...ect.  In WW2 or after passports were not stopped and instead continued today (in time of war suppose to be used but used continous). This is what man has done, granted a few beings choose not to own land ect or can you really. It is all a game in my perspective.

That being said...what makes the moon any different? It doesn't. Man will and I mean will make people pay to go to moon it will be 40 grand for one trip there, and it will cost to own land there and this is what will happen and they eventually will even have things similiar to passports. What makes you think going to a different planet with how people impose things on this planet will be any different. It's like moving to a new house, nothing changes except the enviorment and/or people, and the people moving to the enviorment can either change their ways or do not ect. I do not see how people believe it to be so far fetched, because anything that is operating on this planet now in regards to policy and law...will sure to follow to another surface with some beings greed and greed for power.


And that is exactly how someone 'owns' land by thinking they own it and by others putting value in it. Globally peopole have for the most part accepted the dollar/currencies for value. By thinking highly of something they put value into a piece of paper. It's all about what one/the mass puts value into. And if 3 million or nearly 4 mil put value into the moon by money (which is an accepted global value) then it must mean something. People can think a lot other things, but their ways of thinking do influence how we operate, and how I choose to operate or you. To think what they think means nothign or cannot influence what will happen in arrogance. Last time land was 'not owned' was a few centuries ago..and seeing how we aren't heading in that direction..land on the moon will be priced, until we no longer put value in money.

Edited by puridalan, 26 January 2012 - 06:09 AM.

[Rlyeh]

puridalan, on 26 January 2012 - 06:06 AM, said:

Enforce them exactly how this planet has.

By being recognized by government and occupied (or intent to).

If someone else claims your land and actually occupies it, you're screwed.


The simple fact is no nation (and the UN) officially recognizes these land claims, you're buying an "if", a big if.

Edited by Rlyeh, 26 January 2012 - 06:20 AM.

[puridalan]

Rlyeh

"If someone claims your land and occupies it, you're screwed"....Okay and? People get screwed over on the earth everyday who have put thousands if not millions into their homes. This can be cause by natural disasters, but for your point military can buy land, certain roads can be put in to take out your home, and of course war. War has changed our planet's boundaries for eons. Look at Mexico, they are 'illegals' and yet America took from them at one time and vic versa. That is what human beings do...so why should a human being be so afraid to put profit on the moon, when it is just as risky here. I think humans forget that they could loose their land at any moment, or rather humans that are not in war zones forget that, ones that are living comfortably. There is nothing wrong living in a peaceful provience though but it is often taken for grantite. And you can create your own nation essen. and that is what they plan to do in the long run, but first colonize...as any worker ant does, and did in america with the 13 colonies. I believe humans beings have over or rather underestimated the history of mankind as far as war, boundaries, value, monetary system (of value), and trust ect..and those principles as applications for daily life in present, past and future. The moon is another space...and it is to be cultivated, and the coal from earth is to be pumped into the ground there. This is and will be fact.

[Rlyeh]

puridalan, on 26 January 2012 - 06:25 AM, said:

Rlyeh

"If someone claims your land and occupies it, you're screwed"....Okay and?

by being not recognized, there is not much you can do. Maybe you could sue the con artists who sold you the land promise?

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The moon is another space...and it is to be cultivated, and the coal from earth is to be pumped into the ground there. This is and will be fact.

Make sure they leave enough room for your drugs.

[puridalan]

You know I have been mocked before, and I know beings can think you 'crazy' or stupid for not always thinking in the present. All I can tell you is that colonization is planned, it is happening, the coal is being exported and some beings will live there or choose to live there for x time period. And why bring drugs when drugs are the 3rd consumer/supply and demand on the earth..unless aliens want drugs but I am sure they got better. Perhaps. Anywho many beings have been laughed in the past for thinking in the future or stating things that are later to be true. I know my ideas are not to always be accepted and I accept that, but my claim is valid and you will see the trust through. Thank you.

[Habitat]

puridalan, on 26 January 2012 - 06:25 AM, said:

Rlyeh

"If someone claims your land and occupies it, you're screwed"....Okay and? People get screwed over on the earth everyday who have put thousands if not millions into their homes. This can be cause by natural disasters, but for your point military can buy land, certain roads can be put in to take out your home, and of course war. War has changed our planet's boundaries for eons. Look at Mexico, they are 'illegals' and yet America took from them at one time and vic versa. That is what human beings do...so why should a human being be so afraid to put profit on the moon, when it is just as risky here. I think humans forget that they could loose their land at any moment, or rather humans that are not in war zones forget that, ones that are living comfortably. There is nothing wrong living in a peaceful provience though but it is often taken for grantite. And you can create your own nation essen. and that is what they plan to do in the long run, but first colonize...as any worker ant does, and did in america with the 13 colonies. I believe humans beings have over or rather underestimated the history of mankind as far as war, boundaries, value, monetary system (of value), and trust ect..and those principles as applications for daily life in present, past and future. The moon is another space...and it is to be cultivated, and the coal from earth is to be pumped into the ground there. This is and will be fact.

Tell me this a joke, or somethin' ? Or the meaning got lost in translation ?  

[Rlyeh]

puridalan, on 26 January 2012 - 06:40 AM, said:

Anywho many beings have been laughed in the past for thinking in the future or stating things that are later to be true. I know my ideas are not to always be accepted and I accept that, but my claim is valid and you will see the trust through. Thank you.

However you're making completely unfounded claims. These people don't own the land they're selling, they've never occupied it.
If I had the money to launch myself to the moon and build a structure, I'd have more claim than someone who has never set foot there.

[Habitat]

Rlyeh, on 26 January 2012 - 06:54 AM, said:

However you're making completely unfounded claims. These people don't own the land they're selling, they've never occupied it.
If I had the money to launch myself to the moon and build a structure, I'd have more claim than someone who has never set foot there.

You like wasting your time ,then ?  

[Tesla II]

puridalan, on 26 January 2012 - 06:06 AM, said:

Last time land was 'not owned' was a few centuries ago..and seeing how we aren't heading in that direction..land on the moon will be priced, until we no longer put value in money.

Of course it will be priced mans greed does not know boundaries. Moon,Mars,Jupiters moon,... all that will be avaible for a certain price, you think space agencies will take you there for free? Or will they let you take lands for free? I dont think... not that will it be priced but massively priced. And yes people already made claims that they bought a piece of land on the moon, but there are no such things on papers yet. And you will need a passports or some kind of ID to travel, have you seen any total strangers with no papers flying or sailing around, no... So yes there will be probably some kind of travel agency that will issue some papers that will give you access to stars, for a certain price...

[badeskov]

puridalan, on 26 January 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

You might be making fun of me..but I am dead serious when I say 3.6 million DO have land on the moon and this is globally and it is NOT a joke. Also eventually they will be doing passports. Laugh at me now..and I don't think I will be laughing later still if I am right.

Seriously, and by all means of respect, but doing some actual research into the matter would benefit you quite a bit. There is something called the Moon treaty:

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The Agreement Governing the Activities of States on the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies,^[1] better known as the Moon Treatyor Moon Agreement, is an international treaty that turns jurisdiction of all celestial bodies (including the orbits around such bodies) over to the international community. Thus, all activities must conform to international law (notably this includes the UN Charter).

It specifically states that:

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The treaty would apply to the Moon and to other celestial bodies within the Solar system, other than the Earth, including orbits around or other trajectories to or around them.^{[citation needed]}

The treaty makes a declaration that the Moon should be used for the benefit of all states and all peoples of the international community. It also expresses a desire to prevent the Moon from becoming a source of international conflict. To those ends the treaty:^{[citation needed]}

• Bans any military use of celestial bodies, including weapon testing or as military bases.
• Bans all exploration and uses of celestial bodies without the approval or benefit of other states under the common heritage of mankind principle (article 11).
• Requires that the Secretary-General must be notified of all celestial activities (and discoveries developed thanks to those activities).
• Declares all states have an equal right to conduct research on celestial bodies.
• Declares that for any samples obtained during research activities, the state that obtained them must consider making part of it available to all countries/scientific communities for research.
• Bans altering the environment of celestial bodies and requires that states must take measures to prevent accidental contamination.
• Bans any state from claiming sovereignty over any territory of celestial bodies.
• Bans any ownership of any extraterrestrial property by any organization or person, unless that organization is international and governmental.
• Requires all resource extraction and allocation be made by an international regime.

I have bolded the interesting (in this respect) parts. Now please do elaborate on how this allows private companies to claim and sell land on the moon (a place they have never been before and lay claim to). However, in all fairness this should be included:

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In practice, it is a failed treaty since it has not been ratified by any nation which engages in self-launched manned space exploration or has plans to do so (e.g. the United States, The United Kingdom, European Union, Russian Federation, People's Republic of China, Japan, and India) since its creation in 1979, and thus has a negligible effect on actual spaceflight.

Which in essence makes it unenforceable for anybody laying claim to any piece of land on the Moon. Say, why should I pay for it when I can just print out a map of the moon, draw some lines and claim the area within those lines as mine?

Cheers,
Badeskov

[james1951]

puridalan, on 26 January 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

You might be making fun of me..but I am dead serious when I say 3.6 million DO have land on the moon and this is globally and it is NOT a joke. Also eventually they will be doing passports. Laugh at me now..and I don't think I will be laughing later still if I am right.

I am  not laughing at you, I am laughing at the millions of idiots who bought I am sure "prime land" on the moon from someone wh has no right to sell even the "worst land" on the moon.

[james1951]

27vet, on 26 January 2012 - 05:57 AM, said:

Where man goes, McDonalds will follow...

I am sure they are a large part of the people who bought the primest land, right on the major freeways soon to be under construction with plenty of space for parking and access for a drive thru window. And new the moon cow burger mmmmm.