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[Zeta Reticulum]

These oil rich middle eastern countries seem to rave about how powerful they are..... remember Saddam saying the Iraq war would be the mother of all battles.
I know they dont drink alcohol.... but something makes them utter such rubbish time after time. And the famed republican guard...... who stripped off their uniforms and ran for cover when the first real bombs started falling?

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Zaphod222, on 03 February 2013 - 03:57 AM, said:

Nonsense. Iran does not have the technological capacity to pull off anything like that.
Iran´s technological progress is more typically expressed by inventing amputation machines to carry out Shariah law:

http://www.dailymail...l#axzz2JnyMsnQD

Wonderful lot they are indeed.  I cannot imagine why anyone might have a pause at them assembling nuclear weapons....  Those around the world who uphold them and their "rights" as though they were any other western democracy are so slanted by their ideologies that they cannot even admit to themselves the danger.  They equate this behavior with what the west is accused of and find the west to be more guilty.  The Bible states that in the last days of human government on this earth, people will call good evil and evil good.  God is not mocked.  The evidence of His soon return will build to a crescendo in the coming months and years but people still will ignore and deny.  So be it.

[Stellar]

and then, on 03 February 2013 - 12:40 AM, said:

I certainly don't but all the stealth aircraft I've seen don't have so many sharp edges as this aircraft seems to have.  The aircraft looks impressive actually but stealth is not a cheap project and I will be very surprised if they have truly made a stealthy aircraft.  One point that no one seems to be stating is that stealth by it's nature is for ATTACKING not defending one's territory.  If they are such a peace loving bunch of souls then what's up with that?

Pure and utter nonsense. Stealth allows jets to better sneak up on their targets, regardless of whether it's for offensive or defensive purposes.

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Stellar, on 03 February 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

Pure and utter nonsense. Stealth allows jets to better sneak up on their targets, regardless of whether it's for offensive or defensive purposes.

Okay, I recant - of course the Iranian are wonderful souls - pure as the driven snow - all better now?

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

and then, on 03 February 2013 - 12:40 AM, said:

I certainly don't but all the stealth aircraft I've seen don't have so many sharp edges as this aircraft seems to have.  The aircraft looks impressive actually but stealth is not a cheap project and I will be very surprised if they have truly made a stealthy aircraft.  One point that no one seems to be stating is that stealth by it's nature is for ATTACKING not defending one's territory.  If they are such a peace loving bunch of souls then what's up with that?

and then, on 03 February 2013 - 05:44 AM, said:

Wonderful lot they are indeed.  I cannot imagine why anyone might have a pause at them assembling nuclear weapons....  Those around the world who uphold them and their "rights" as though they were any other western democracy are so slanted by their ideologies that they cannot even admit to themselves the danger.  They equate this behavior with what the west is accused of and find the west to be more guilty.  The Bible states that in the last days of human government on this earth, people will call good evil and evil good.  God is not mocked.  The evidence of His soon return will build to a crescendo in the coming months and years but people still will ignore and deny.  So be it.

While that may be true, and if they ever were to assemble an operational force of these contraptions, a strike on Israel might well be a logical use for them, I doubt if the Kheil Ha'Avir will be worrying too much just yet, since they;d know as well as anyone how long and costly a process it is to develop a hight tech warplane entirely by yourself (look at the Lavi program), and then accumulating the knowledge and experience to use it effectively.

[Zaphod222]

and then, on 03 February 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

Okay, I recant - of course the Iranian are wonderful souls - pure as the driven snow - all better now?

Iranians are actually nice people, or used to be. It was Khomeinis islamic revolution that that turned the country into the hell-hole is now.... same as everywhere where Shariah becomes the law of the land.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Zaphod222, on 03 February 2013 - 11:00 AM, said:

Iranians are actually nice people, or used to be. It was Khomeinis islamic revolution that that turned the country into the hell-hole is now.... same as everywhere where Shariah becomes the law of the land.

it's rarely the people that will be uniformly evil, it's almost invariably the Leaders that stir them up, supply with with a constant diet of fear of enemies so as to stir up paranoia, and persuade them that only they can protect them from those whose sole desire it is to destroy them.

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Zaphod222, on 03 February 2013 - 11:00 AM, said:

Iranians are actually nice people, or used to be. It was Khomeinis islamic revolution that that turned the country into the hell-hole is now.... same as everywhere where Shariah becomes the law of the land.

I agree of course - the Iranian PEOPLE are by and large lovers of the west.  It's the regime that is evil and using saws to cut off hands and fingers is pretty much undeniable proof of that.  I mean, think of how horrific that kind of behavior actually is.  And the leaders feel it is justified.

[Stellar]

and then, on 03 February 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

Okay, I recant - of course the Iranian are wonderful souls - pure as the driven snow - all better now?

Let's not play these ridiculous games again, shall we? I made no statement regarding the intentions of the Iranians. I was simply correcting your nonsense statement.

[.AKUMA.]

Looking at the pictures I can tell you the iranians havnt quite cracked stealth yet, although given their lack of experiance what they have produced is amazing.
although I believe they had foreign help, only 3 other countrys have succesfull stealth jet programs iran now being number 4.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

This is the opinion of the experts, as reported in Wiki the Pedia:
"A prototype version of the Qaher-313 has been portrayed to have test-flown at some point before the presentation.^[9] According to the head of the design team two sub-sized models have been created and tested. One of the models uses a propeller engine while the other uses a small micro jet engine.^[10] The models were shown in a video clip (along with descriptions by the head of the design team) the same day.^[11] According to Haaretz, the "blurry video published by the Iranians purporting to show the Qaher 313 in flight seems to show not a manned fighter jet but a small radio-operated drone."^[6]"
Flight Global noted that the Qaher-313 resembles the Boeing Bird of Prey prototype, but with a more faceted design similar to the 1970s-era Lockheed Have Blue that was developed into the now retired F-117 Nighthawk. Flight Global also said, "given the apparent small size of the aircraft and its single engine design, the Qaher 313 could be powered by reverse engineered variants of the General Electric J85 turbojet that Iran is known to have in its possession." Iran has General Electric J85s as a result of old Northrop F-5s in its inventory.^[8]
Israeli experts doubt the Iranian claims, saying the fighter presented was nothing more than a "very sleek plastic model." They note that the canopy appears to be constructed of "basic plastic," and its engine air intakes are unusually small. They say it gives the impression of plastic parts pasted to an old flying platform. The cockpit and ejection seat seem real, but the Qaher-313 displayed seemed too small to be a capable fighter. Video footage showing the plane airborne could have been a radio-controlled model aircraft."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qaher_313

[Goblin-5]

Doesnt look stealthy to me. I concur with the comment that it is a mimic of the F22.
People seem to think that stealth makes a plane invisible to radar. It doesnt. It merely makes it much harder to detect and maintain the signal. Another issue is that stealth aircraft are not fast simply because of the drag imposed by the design. Stealth is a trade off between speed and agility vs detectability at long range. Personally I would take a lot of fast agile fighters vs a (very) few stealthy ones (due to very high costs)
At some point, high tech becomes a losing proposition when you are fighting an actual war. The more complex a machine the less its servicability and a non servicable plane is just so much expensive metal. Look at the old warhorse B52... designed in the 50's and still going strong. Reliable, robust and a proven combat performer. Is the F35 going to be a diamond or a lump of coal?

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Goblin-5, on 04 February 2013 - 09:09 PM, said:

Doesnt look stealthy to me. I concur with the comment that it is a mimic of the F22.
People seem to think that stealth makes a plane invisible to radar. It doesnt. It merely makes it much harder to detect and maintain the signal. Another issue is that stealth aircraft are not fast simply because of the drag imposed by the design. Stealth is a trade off between speed and agility vs detectability at long range. Personally I would take a lot of fast agile fighters vs a (very) few stealthy ones (due to very high costs)
At some point, high tech becomes a losing proposition when you are fighting an actual war. The more complex a machine the less its servicability and a non servicable plane is just so much expensive metal. Look at the old warhorse B52... designed in the 50's and still going strong. Reliable, robust and a proven combat performer. Is the F35 going to be a diamond or a lump of coal?

I recently read that the F-22 has to be recoated with a material every so many hours of flight time for it to remain stealthy.  I don't recall the details but it sounded like some high tech form of paint that helped with "dampening" return.  In a real combat situation this could cause issues with effectiveness and availability that could be unacceptable.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

I once read that they didn't keep the B-2 out in the rain for much the same reason, although I don't know how true that might be.

[Sweetpumper]

Apparently they're building UFOs over there, and this is what they come up with for their own military?