evil_kenshin Posted January 14, 2013 #1 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261985/Belgian-twin-brothers-killed-doctors-choosing-euthanasia-able-again.html A pair of identical twins, who were born deaf, have been killed by Belgian doctors after seeking euthanasia when they found out they would also soon go blind. In a unique case under the country's euthanasia laws, the 45-year-old brothers, from Antwerp, chose death as they were unable to bear the thought of never seeing one another again. They were euthanised by doctors at Brussels University Hospital, in Jette, on December 14 by lethal injection after spending their entire lives together. I guess I can understand their choice, but they must of had a very strong bond living their entire lives together and now dying together. Must of been frustrating finding out that after living so long with no hearing they were going to go without sight. Edited January 15, 2013 by Still Waters Changed source link to the actual article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitchp Posted January 14, 2013 #2 Share Posted January 14, 2013 It's a sad world, and a lot of sufferings 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuriousGreek Posted January 14, 2013 #3 Share Posted January 14, 2013 It's a sad world, and a lot of sufferings It's a very heart-breaking world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfknight Posted January 14, 2013 #4 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Come is this world together and leave together. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simbi Laveau Posted January 14, 2013 #5 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasina Posted January 14, 2013 #6 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I support their choice. Thank god there's a place in the world that let's adults choose their own way out. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xYlvax Posted January 14, 2013 #7 Share Posted January 14, 2013 At least they got to choose their fate.. Touching yet sad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrmboy Posted January 14, 2013 #8 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Just because one is deaf and blind does not mean you can not have a productive happy life. Even though they were D & B they would still have eachother. If they had some disease that was killing them I might could understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrmboy Posted January 14, 2013 #9 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Seems very selfish of them....what about their friends and family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_kenshin Posted January 14, 2013 Author #10 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Seems very selfish of them....what about their friends and family. selfish? being forced to live both as deaf & blind would be living hell. It would be more selfish for their family to force them to live that way. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasina Posted January 14, 2013 #11 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Seems very selfish of them....what about their friends and family. Their lives, their body, their choice. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted January 14, 2013 #12 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) I think this is a stupid abuse of the euthanasia laws of Belgium. Euthanasia is all well and fine for people who are too sick TO KILL THEMSELVES, so they have doctors do so in an act of mercy, but, these doctors have killed two people who are perfectly capable of killing themselves! This goes directly against the justification usually given for euthanasia and in my opinion puts doctors in a horrible position. Why didn't they just cross the border, climb the Eiffel Tower, and go out in style? Edited January 14, 2013 by ExpandMyMind 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasina Posted January 14, 2013 #13 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I think this is a stupid abuse of the euthanasia laws of Belgium. Euthanasia is all well and fine for people who are too sick TO KILL THEMSELVES, so they have doctors do so in an act of mercy, but, these doctors have killed two people who are perfectly capable of killing themselves! This goes directly against the justification usually given for euthanasia and in my opinion puts doctors in a horrible position. Why didn't they just cross the border, climb the Eiffel Tower, and go out in style? Because it's inhumane and some people want to but don't have the courage. They're afraid of both living and dying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted January 14, 2013 #14 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) Because it's inhumane and some people want to but don't have the courage. They're afraid of both living and dying. But this is not what justifies euthanasia, at least in my book. I'm not saying they don't have the right to die - everyone does if that is their wish - but they certainly, in my view, don't have the right to be killed by a medical professional when they could do it themselves. A medical professional who became a doctor to save lives, and will have to live with this on his conscience for the rest of his life. Hire a hit-man. They're the opposite of doctors Seriously though, euthanasia should be reserved for people who do not have the ability to kill themselves, otherwise it's just legalised murder. If you don't have the courage to kill yourself, then this tells you that somewhere, deep down, you actually want to live/don't want to die. Edited January 14, 2013 by ExpandMyMind 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 14, 2013 #15 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Got to agree with ExpandMyMind, assisted suicide should provide a way out for those incapable of doing it themselves. They could have just grabbed a bottle of whiskey, drove to a nice view, run garden hose from the exhaust intop the car and shared drinks until they fell asleep forever. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted January 14, 2013 #16 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Life should always be protected at all costs... It's too slippery of a slope not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasina Posted January 14, 2013 #17 Share Posted January 14, 2013 But this is not what justifies euthanasia, at least in my book. I'm not saying they don't have the right to die - everyone does if that is their wish - but they certainly, in my view, don't have the right to be killed by a medical professional when they could do it themselves. A medical professional who became a doctor to save lives, and will have to live with this on his conscience for the rest of his life. Hire a hit-man. They're the opposite of doctors Seriously though, euthanasia should be reserved for people who do not have the ability to kill themselves, otherwise it's just legalised murder. If you don't have the courage to kill yourself, then this tells you that somewhere, deep down, you actually want to live/don't want to die. Being afraid has nothing to do with wanting to stay alive. Some people are just as scared to keep living, knowing that their days are numbered but not knowing when that final hour will be. Then you have a chance! A gun, a razor, who knows. You're faced with it, end it or keep it going, keep this facade of nothingness going or end it? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitchp Posted January 14, 2013 #18 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) Why didn't they just cross the border, climb the Eiffel Tower, and go out in style? It's people like you that makes this world a horrible place to be in. The doctors ended their hardship with dignity, and from that you wanted the two brothers to jump off a building? You are an animal. Go do some spirituality courses, then come back and join society Edited January 14, 2013 by pitchp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted January 15, 2013 #19 Share Posted January 15, 2013 It's people like you that makes this world a horrible place to be in. The doctors ended their hardship with dignity, and from that you wanted the two brothers to jump off a building? You are an animal. Go do some spirituality courses, then come back and join society A bit harsh considering I only made a joke about two people that no one here will ever know but whatever. I suggest you stay away from stand up comedians, for they often have far less taste than me. Yes, jump off the building (actually, the Eiffel Tower is a structure, not a building), would be one way to do it, but OverSword gave another one in a serious point he made. And what is dignified about having someone end your life for you? If anything, dignified would be having the courage to end it yourself, and to not go out like a lame horse, or dog, or a death row prisoner! And a spirituality course? I'd rather do a Scientology course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted January 15, 2013 #20 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Euthanasia is legal under Belgian law if those making the decision can make their wishes clear and are suffering unbearable pain, according to a doctor's judgement. LINK So, where was the unbearable pain? Are we now to say that Depression is unbearable pain? Emotional Stress unbearable pain? This isn't right...it just isn't and I will tell you why... Hasina said...their body...their choice...fine...but if it is their body and their choice to end their lives, then they should have committed suicide...not 'applied for non-self-inflicted suicide' with the Government. Fine, if they want to kill themselves, then do a suicide pact and just do it...but don't bring in someone else to do it for you. It is akin to hiring a hitman to kill you...except I am sure the Tax Payers were the one's paying and THAT in and of itself is way wrong! Why should I have to pay for YOUR suicide? It's ludicrous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted January 15, 2013 #21 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Life should always be protected at all costs... It's too slippery of a slope not to. If you don't own your life, what do you own? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted January 15, 2013 #22 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Hire a hit-man. They're the opposite of doctors Seriously though, euthanasia should be reserved for people who do not have the ability to kill themselves, otherwise it's just legalised murder.According to what you just said, as long as someone can bite their own tongue even the terminally ill should be denied euthanasia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted January 15, 2013 #23 Share Posted January 15, 2013 If you don't own your life, what do you own? You do own your own life. So, if you want to end your own life...end it. I would do my best to talk you out of it, give you some positive options, counseling, etc. But these guys didn't get that...the Government should not be in the business of sanctioning murder...and yes...that is what it is...it isn't suicide if someone else pulls the trigger..we call that murder...at least...we used to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted January 15, 2013 #24 Share Posted January 15, 2013 (edited) You do own your own life. So, if you want to end your own life...end it. I would do my best to talk you out of it, give you some positive options, counseling, etc. But these guys didn't get that...the Government should not be in the business of sanctioning murder...and yes...that is what it is...it isn't suicide if someone else pulls the trigger..we call that murder...at least...we used to. Murder by definition is illegal. Legal murder is an oxymoron. Edited January 15, 2013 by Rlyeh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted January 15, 2013 #25 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Murder by definition is illegal. Legal murder is an oxymoron. Why can't they just do it the old fashioned...wait...the New Fashioned...American Way? One brother should shoot the other in the head, and then shoot himself in the head...murder/suicide...they could have flipped a coin to see who went first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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