Charles Manson: Genius or lunatic.

[OpenMyEye]

Ever since i heard about Charles Manson i have been interested in him.

Especially his outlook on life and people around him.

Any info/views/comments you would like to share about Charley would be appreciated.

(I have taken my opinion out of this thread as the point of the thread wasn't about my outlook.)

An unknown voice asks "In other words, you think that progress is not good for mankind?"

Manson replies: "Progress? There's no such thing as progress man. There's only change. You dig a whole in the ground and you build up a city and you fight a war and you call it progress? And it's a beautiful game and its a perfect game and whoever wants to continue playing general and go around killing himself, well my goodness. I wouldn't want to play that game myself, but if they want to play it, I love them for it. If they want to go over and kill each other, the only reason they're over-there is because they want to be. They can use any excuse, and they can say but, but and maybe, ugh, uh. But what it boils down to is just one thing. As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world, dig? You can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom and it's just a simple little old thing man, that any little baby could figure out if we didn't put cancer in his mind."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bU3jwdUFqWA

Edited May 13, 2008 by OpenMyEye

[xCrimsonx]

Ever since i heard about Charles Manson i have been interested in him.

Especially his outlook on life and people around him.

I believe that Charles Manson is a genius. Most people i know dismiss this as a stupid comment as nobody i talk to has not taken the time to research him and just say he is "scum" because of the murders his "family" committed.

His outlook on life astounded me, it was so down to earth and destroyed that material outlook everybody in this world has grown to rely on.

Any info/views/comments you would like to share about Charley would be appreciated.

An unknown voice asks "In other words, you think that progress is not good for mankind?"

Manson replies: "Progress? There's no such thing as progress man. There's only change. You dig a whole in the ground and you build up a city and you fight a war and you call it progress? And it's a beautiful game and its a perfect game and whoever wants to continue playing general and go around killing himself, well my goodness. I wouldn't want to play that game myself, but if they want to play it, I love them for it. If they want to go over and kill each other, the only reason they're over-there is because they want to be. They can use any excuse, and they can say but, but and maybe, ugh, uh. But what it boils down to is just one thing. As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world, dig? You can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom and it's just a simple little old thing man, that any little baby could figure out if we didn't put cancer in his mind."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bU3jwdUFqWA

Aint he just handsome lol.

Somehow I believe that Charlie basically thinks that we are gluttons for our own punishment's.

Genius or lunatic. Both, dont we all have our own little gripes with ourselves and our society?

He fried himself upstairs and with that comes consequences.

Still I wouldnt find myself sitting in the same room as him.

How can ya not laugh at a face like this!!

[Pol_Pot_will_killyou]

He's a smelly hippie.

-Pol

[OpenMyEye]

Aint he just handsome lol.

Somehow I believe that Charlie basically thinks that we are gluttons for our own punishment's.

Genius or lunatic. Both, dont we all have our own little gripes with ourselves and our society?

He fried himself upstairs and with that comes consequences.

Still I wouldnt find myself sitting in the same room as him.

How can ya not laugh at a face like this!!

Haha, yer the face is hilarious. I believe he made this face in relation to Albert Einstein's famous face pose.

[OpenMyEye]

He's a smelly hippie.

-Pol

Have you smelt him?

[EmpressStarXVII]

How about both? I've always had a fascination with Manson myself.

“Look down at me and you see a fool;

look up at me and you see a god;

look straight at me and you see yourself”

“I can't dislike you, but I will say this to you: you haven't got long before you are all going to kill yourselves, because you are all crazy. And you can project it back at me ... but I am only what lives inside each and every one of you.”

“Believe me, if I started murdering people… there'd be none of you left!”

Edited May 12, 2008 by EmpressStarXVII

[Silmarillion]

He's a lunatic. He's definitely "off."

[Pol_Pot_will_killyou]

I smelled him and he smelled like tapioca.

-Pol

[OpenMyEye]

How about both? I've always had a fascination with Manson myself.

Yes i would agree with both. He has something good going on in there, he is just abit off from all those years in prison (even though he says he loves it, without question it would have messed with his mind).

The thing that fascinates me is the sh** prison system for letting him out in the first place, he even said he was not ready to leave, still they forced him out. Then look what happens, several people end up being massacred.

[1.618]

What is the difference between genius and lunacy apart from individual opinion?

[Rosewin]

One does not kill people. That is the difference.

[googiboo]

Interesting question OpenMyEye. Im currently reading Helter Skelter, which is a book about the Tate and Labianca murders. Which im sure you know were all committed by the "family". I think at times, Manson could be insightful, but no where near a genius. You try taking LSD and marijuana and not feel alittle insightful lol. His family did his bidding, not cause he was clever, but cause they were young, silly and looking for a leader or father figure. All he really did, was talk S**T, and made it sound intelligent. Who knows, if he had a different upbringing, he probably would have been a politician hehe.

Top question though

[WiCkEdWENDIGO]

Ever since i heard about Charles Manson i have been interested in him.

Especially his outlook on life and people around him.

I believe that Charles Manson is a genius. Most people i know dismiss this as a stupid comment as nobody i talk to has not taken the time to research him and just say he is "scum" because of the murders his "family" committed.

His outlook on life astounded me, it was so down to earth and destroyed that material outlook everybody in this world has grown to rely on.

Any info/views/comments you would like to share about Charley would be appreciated.

An unknown voice asks "In other words, you think that progress is not good for mankind?"

Manson replies: "Progress? There's no such thing as progress man. There's only change. You dig a whole in the ground and you build up a city and you fight a war and you call it progress? And it's a beautiful game and its a perfect game and whoever wants to continue playing general and go around killing himself, well my goodness. I wouldn't want to play that game myself, but if they want to play it, I love them for it. If they want to go over and kill each other, the only reason they're over-there is because they want to be. They can use any excuse, and they can say but, but and maybe, ugh, uh. But what it boils down to is just one thing. As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world, dig? You can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom and it's just a simple little old thing man, that any little baby could figure out if we didn't put cancer in his mind."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bU3jwdUFqWA

bravo and in a way even albert ENSTIEN i know i cant spell....but in a way he killed even more then manson yet we celabrate him. i think manson was both yes...he had to be both because his organized crime was just to smart....and even hannible lector had his charming side

[satan_incarnate]

Genius

Believe me, if I started murdering people… there'd be none of you left

I can't dislike you, but I will say this to you: you haven't got long before you are all going to kill yourselves, because you are all crazy. And you can project it back at me ... but I am only what lives inside each and every one of you

[1.618]

One does not kill people. That is the difference.

Ah but which one?

[Ignus Fatuus]

Genius or Lunatic ... unfortunatly for many he was both.

[Siara]

bravo and in a way even albert ENSTIEN i know i cant spell....but in a way he killed even more then manson yet we celabrate him. i think manson was both yes...he had to be both because his organized crime was just to smart....and even hannible lector had his charming side

I think the Hannibal Lecter analogy is probably accurate, at least from the point of view of Manson's adoring "Family".

I know so many women who think he's handsome. I don't get it. To me he looks like a mangy, dirty creep. That swastika he carved into his forehead doesn't do much to enhance his appearance either.

[War Eagle]

Frigg'n sad when ya hear comparisons made of Einstein & Manson. Can't pin it on Albi, the man was basically a single cog (very important one granted) in a well oiled scientific machine, trapped by the scientific & political establishment of the time for his genius, openly stating that he despised where it was all heading...even dubbed a rebel scientist by his closest peers. Wonder what would have happen to him or his family if he said; ''Screw you all, I quick!''(?) hmmm...

I can think of a few leaders today that compare with Manson...err not as clever tho.

Edit:

“The ruling class at present, has the schools and press, usually the Church as well, under its thumb. This enables it to organize and sway the emotions of the masses, and make its tool of them.” - Albert Einstein

Edited May 12, 2008 by REBEL

[The Skeptic Eric Raven]

Ever since i heard about Charles Manson i have been interested in him.

Especially his outlook on life and people around him.

I believe that Charles Manson is a genius. Most people i know dismiss this as a stupid comment as nobody i talk to has not taken the time to research him and just say he is "scum" because of the murders his "family" committed.

His outlook on life astounded me, it was so down to earth and destroyed that material outlook everybody in this world has grown to rely on.

Any info/views/comments you would like to share about Charley would be appreciated.

An unknown voice asks "In other words, you think that progress is not good for mankind?"

Manson replies: "Progress? There's no such thing as progress man. There's only change. You dig a whole in the ground and you build up a city and you fight a war and you call it progress? And it's a beautiful game and its a perfect game and whoever wants to continue playing general and go around killing himself, well my goodness. I wouldn't want to play that game myself, but if they want to play it, I love them for it. If they want to go over and kill each other, the only reason they're over-there is because they want to be. They can use any excuse, and they can say but, but and maybe, ugh, uh. But what it boils down to is just one thing. As long as there's hate in your heart, there'll be hate in the world, dig? You can't fight for peace and you cannot capture freedom and it's just a simple little old thing man, that any little baby could figure out if we didn't put cancer in his mind."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bU3jwdUFqWA

Manson was an idiot that that planned murders. I guess your other hero is Hitler.

[Dredimus]

Given the fact that every time he goes up for Parole he carves a swastika in his forehead and informs the parole board that when he gets out he is gonna kill everyone.... I would say... Lunatic....

[The Skeptic Eric Raven]

He might have been cunning, not intelligent. If he was a genius, he would have never been caught. He was just a crazy idiot.

[ASOP]

Neither. I think he wants people to think he's crazy he wants people to fear him. Genius...to much credit......lunatic no I think its all an act.

[BlueZone]

He might have been cunning, not intelligent.

I don't think intelligence necessarily has a moral component. Cunning is a form of intelligence.

[The Skeptic Eric Raven]

I don't think intelligence necessarily has a moral component. Cunning is a form of intelligence.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cunning

Main Entry: 1cun·ning

Pronunciation: \ˈkə-niŋ\

Function: adjective

Etymology: Middle English, from present participle of can know

Date: 14th century

1 : dexterous or crafty in the use of special resources (as skill or knowledge) or in attaining an end <a cunning plotter>

2 : displaying keen insight <a cunning observation>

3 : characterized by wiliness and trickery <cunning schemes>

4 : prettily appealing : cute <a cunning little kitten>

Doesn't say intelligent in the traditional sense that we think of it. Heck it doesn't mention intelligence at all.

Everything I have heard him say doesn't smell of intelligence. It smells of something else.

Edited May 12, 2008 by Eric Raven The Skeptic

[Lady_Boleyn]

Manson was an idiot that that planned murders. I guess your other hero is Hitler.

Manson was pyschopath that planned the murders of 7 people, because he thought it would start a "race war."

Not a genius in my book. He is a cold blooded murderer. Who cares what he says?

His mind is so destroyed from drugs he doesn't know what he is saying half the time anyway.