Hazzard Posted September 1, 2005 #1 Share Posted September 1, 2005 There seems to be growing support for "alternate theories" in recent years. I began to wonder about all the opposition to the solid theories we already hold as true and tested. Where does all this opposition come from? First of all, I believe that many people don't know what the word theory means. They take it to mean, "this is our current belief of the way things work, but we're not sure." But a theory is more than a hunch. It's a sturdy scientific model that's been tested by repeated observations and backed up by empirical evidence. But still, people use theory so loosely that it weakens the meaning. It's not a theory to point out flaws or gaps in evolution. It's not a theory to state that the earth formed in 6,000 years and not over 4.5 bil because we've seen canyons form in a matter of days. Those are limited points with little to no evidence to stand on. But anyway, could this surge in Woo-woo ideas come from a huge willingness to believe that what we see in science fiction is possible? That because they do it on Star Trek that the current rules of physics limiting velocity to c are wrong? In short, where do they get all these ideas? Do they just want some notoriety for pointing out phantom flaws in scientific theories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunZero Posted September 1, 2005 #2 Share Posted September 1, 2005 (edited) I always wonder why people just randomly think of something, and then find a way to back it up and BOOM "It's true!". It's like.. You see one odd rock in your yard. You can probably make up 20 different ways to how it got into your yard(IE: Bounced off a kid's shoe, got stuck between a dogs toes then dropped off in your yard). And all can probably be considered "true". How do we know what is FACT when we have more than one theory for almost everything. If none of what I just said makes sence, I'm sorry. I'm half asleep XD... Edited September 1, 2005 by ZeroShadow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBunker Posted September 1, 2005 #3 Share Posted September 1, 2005 I don't know where the ideas come from, but I did find it interesting reading about which idea-promoters hang around together, in the July/August 2005 Skeptical Inquirer, Psychic Vibrations column. Author Robert Sheaffer attended a recent (14th annual) International UFO Congress. You might think a UFO Congress would be filled with news and reports about UFOs, but it's not. It's apparently all about woo-woo thinking and the conspiracies that control us. Sheaffer reported on presentations about: near-death experiences, "resonant viewing" (formerly known as remote viewing), September 11 government conspiracies, Bible codes, 2012, the Apocalypse, Nazis and ETs, divine healing frequencies, bla,bla,bla... Next year's UFO Congress really ought to be re-named the UFO and Conspiracy Congress, but I doubt that it will. For UFOlogists are engaged in a little conspiracy of their own -- to prevent the public from finding out how totally whacked-out bizarre the "science" of UFOlogy has now become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Caspian Hare Posted September 1, 2005 #4 Share Posted September 1, 2005 But anyway, could this surge in Woo-woo ideas come from a huge willingness to believe that what we see in science fiction is possible? That because they do it on Star Trek that the current rules of physics limiting velocity to c are wrong? I wouldn't blame science fiction ... there are a lot of people who were inspired to become real scientists and engineers after reading/watching science fiction. It also gets the general public interested in real science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBunker Posted September 1, 2005 #5 Share Posted September 1, 2005 But anyway, could this surge in Woo-woo ideas come from a huge willingness to believe that what we see in science fiction is possible? That because they do it on Star Trek that the current rules of physics limiting velocity to c are wrong? I wouldn't blame science fiction ... there are a lot of people who were inspired to become real scientists and engineers after reading/watching science fiction. It also gets the general public interested in real science. 820855[/snapback] I agree,but some people can have a hard time separating the two,science fiction and science fact. Those are the ones that eventually could become "hoaxbelivers" or "woo woos". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stixxman Posted September 1, 2005 #6 Share Posted September 1, 2005 What the hell is a Woo-woo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
777MileStare Posted September 1, 2005 #7 Share Posted September 1, 2005 (edited) It's like forgetting you left your dog in the bathroom once because he 'snuck' in and you either accidentally closed the door on him or the wind blew it shut. So you frantically go outside and call him and walk around all over the streets looking for him. The back yard, the front, all the rooms and finally you get to a place you least expect after 20 minutes of running around for nothing. It's deductive reasoning. You end up telling yourself you forgot but you never really did, you forgot to use deductive reasoning to find out why you forgot. I agree with ZeroShadow, it could be millions of theories away from true and the only way you get to it is to start one theory. How long will you be wrong for?? Edited September 1, 2005 by PFlack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBunker Posted September 1, 2005 #8 Share Posted September 1, 2005 What the hell is a Woo-woo? 821046[/snapback] A woo woo is someone who not only "Thinks Outside the Box", but also freely incorporates science fiction, religious belief,fantasy,wishes, dreams and lies into their wild speculations about UFOs and other unusual phenomena, and gives these sources weight equal to, or more likely greater than, the explanations offered by Establishment Science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stixxman Posted September 1, 2005 #9 Share Posted September 1, 2005 What do you call someone who put words in peoples mouths, lumps people together for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadetak Posted September 1, 2005 #10 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Theres gotta be a better term then Woo Woo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBunker Posted September 1, 2005 #11 Share Posted September 1, 2005 What do you call someone who put words in peoples mouths, lumps people together for no reason. 821132[/snapback] Hey,you asked me what a woo woo is,and now you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadetak Posted September 1, 2005 #12 Share Posted September 1, 2005 reminds me of Yahoo or a Choo Choo train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBunker Posted September 1, 2005 #13 Share Posted September 1, 2005 In recent years, the claims have grown to include crashes of such alien spacecraft and even kidnappings and like some one said here,implants, of unsuspecting Earth inhabitants by aliens. A sober examination of these claims reveals that there is a lot LESS to them than first meets the eye: when there is enough evidence, UFO claims can be explained by perfectly natural terrestrial or celestial phenomena (and, all too frequently, as deliberate hoaxes), while alien abductions seem to take place in the mind of the victim or the therapist, rather than in the real world. There has never been a serious scientific examination of a removed "implant"that stod its ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stixxman Posted September 1, 2005 #14 Share Posted September 1, 2005 I marvel at how someone can dismiss someone elses personal experiences so frivously. YOU WERE NOT THERE DEBUNKER, so how could you possibly know. You like everyone else in these instances are working off of information after the fact. And while humans can be fooled it is not an imediate step to exclude that factor. Lots of highly intellegent and rational people have had thes experiences, and that is what is so compeling, this phenominon has no borders or nationality at all. Think about a little I promise it won't hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBunker Posted September 1, 2005 #15 Share Posted September 1, 2005 (edited) I marvel at how someone can dismiss someone elses personal experiences so frivously. YOU WERE NOT THERE DEBUNKER, so how could you possibly know. ........ Lots of highly intellegent and rational people have had thes experiences, and that is what is so compeling, this phenominon has no borders or nationality at all. Think about a little I promise it won't hurt. 821243[/snapback] I dont think that you were there eather,still you chose the most ridiculous explanation. "dismiss someone elses personal experiences." That depends only on what Im being told. If someone told you that there is a 50ft alien living in a tree Norway,would you belive it,no question asked....? And as far your "highly intellegent and rational people"goes..... Additional "evidence" that is endlessly cited is "expert testimony". Pilots, astronauts, and others with experienced eyes and impressive credentials have all claimed to see odd craft in the skies. It’s safe to say that these witnesses have seen something. But just because you don’t recognize an aerial phenomenon doesn’t mean that it’s an extraterrestrial visitor. Edited September 1, 2005 by DEBUNKER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stixxman Posted September 1, 2005 #16 Share Posted September 1, 2005 There is no end to it, if its not something we recognize and its not an alien per say then what is your hypothesis on whta it is. Nobody says anything about a 50 foot alien so stop using that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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