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#61    keninsc

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:43 AM

View PostCoffey, on 16 August 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

How am I supposed to know?! lol

If i knew thta I'd unlock the secrets of the "other side" if there is one. lol

I see it more like you give positive or negative. Like when you love somehting so much it can cause positive energy to manifest. When you ahte too much or die horirble their is  amanifestation of negative energy. I don't see it as part of you, jsut more like giving off body ehat sort of thing. But this is jsut my personal view. I don't base it on much. Well except the fact if you are nice to 1 person it can chnage the world as it carries on, which I see as positive energy being created. Again sadly the same applies for negative. But you need both to exist otherwise the other wouldn't.

Well, all my energy in Nam was pretty negative, which probably explains why I try to only pass on positive energy now. I have a lot to make up for. Que Sera Sera.


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Posted 09 November 2012 - 05:30 AM

We are talking about people that have died and are stuck.  I suppose that could apply to when they were alive also.


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Posted 12 November 2012 - 06:32 PM

The whole point of my bringing up this topic is to find a way through discussion to help trapped spirits be free from the chains that bind them to the physical world to the unhealth of themselves and those poor people who find themselves in homes [often bought with people's life savings] that are infested with these lingering fixations.


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Posted 12 November 2012 - 06:49 PM

View PostSSilhouette, on 12 November 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

The whole point of my bringing up this topic is to find a way through discussion to help trapped spirits be free from the chains that bind them to the physical world to the unhealth of themselves and those poor people who find themselves in homes [often bought with people's life savings] that are infested with these lingering fixations.
except you are not having a discussion.
you are jumping around making baseless claims to support your topic of the moment on this thread.
you started out claiming that ghosts are mentally ill.
then you went on to bring up NDEs for some reason i still haven't figured out because you now are avoiding that.
then you said you are talking about spirits that are trapped.
throughout this thread you have not addressed any of the posts of those who have challenged or requested substantiation.
you just keep switching gears.
please address my posts if you want to have a discussion. or is it that you only want to discuss with those who share your belief? if that is the case you are in the wrong site.
all points of view are allowed here.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 05:05 PM

I gave you links and quotes for the NDEs.  I have answered your questions one by one.  I have tied in the NDEs to the discussion of "proof that the afterlife exists" which is what you're trying to assert isn't true.  That was my response to your asssertion.  Remember?  Sure you do.

What it seems like now is that you are trolling me and want me to give up discussing ghosts, their potential mental illness and the utility of understanding that when going to rid a place of infestation.  You understand how it all fits together.  Please stop trying to pretend that you don't.


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Posted 13 November 2012 - 05:38 PM

For those who want to consider the topic viable, the discussion continues.

I've had some good results in confronting infested locations in dreaming.  In fact, my intense dreaming started in a house that had paranormal activity.  As a child, my room was the only one in the house that none of the family pets would go near.  All the other rooms the pets wandered in and out of freely.  At my doorway they would freeze in their tracks staring in at the ceiling with wild eyes and then bolt down the hallway.  Once my brother and I succeeded in dragging our pet beagle into the room as she whined and protested, dragging her claws in the carpet.  When we shut the door to my room with her inside, she bolted to the opposite corner, crouched very low with all the hair up on her back and began snarling and whining alternately, huge dialted pupils staring up at the corner of the ceiling on the opposite side, just above my closet.  We took pity on her and opened the door.  That old, fat, arthritic dog shot out of that room like a greased rocket.  We never tried to get her in there again.

In this room I had nightly nightmares for years from a period of when I was old enough to remember to just around pre-puberty.  Morning after morning my parents would find me in the hallway with my blankie, curled up next to the heat register.  The nightmares consisted of demonic beings who, to put it in simple terms, were engaged in trying to "win me over" to their way of thinking.  They alternated between using fear to force me and then coaxing me, assuring me that if I would just submit "life will be easier for you".  Imagine all that as you're trying to grapple with the waking world, the newness of elementary school and various dramas of life as a very young child?  It was trying.

The nightmares ended in a final showdown where one of the demon-things had me trapped in a room with no windows and no doors.  He told me that if I wanted out, I had to submit to "their way".  If not he'd keep me trapped in there forever.  I squared my shoulders and told him for the final time in a clear and loud voice, "NO!!, I'll never go your way!"  At that moment a door opened up in the side of the wall and I walked out.  The nightmares ended on that very same day and have never returned.  But since then I've experienced what I call an expansion in dreaming.  I have lucid dreams almost every night now.  Earlier I learned to "fly", to move objects with my mind and other difficult feats...all in dreaming mind you.  But in the last ten years odd things have been spilling over into my waking life.  About the same time people started seeing my double http://www.unexplain...opic=232445&hl= small children, very small, like from infant to 5 years old, will pass me and suddenly burst into a huge smile and try to grab out to me, often to the surprise of their handlers, "s/he never acts like that!"   Sometimes they even apologize for their child.  Which I find odd and assure them it's no problem.  Once I was in a dental office waiting with my teenaged son for his appointment.  A small boy was in a stroller with an impatient sitter watching him while they waited.  She amused him with a toy she threw to him and he threw back.  There was a lull where the packed waiting room was silent.  The boy dropped his toy on the ground, turned to his right, pointed at me and said very loud and clear, "I WANT HIM!"  [pointing directly at me].  I just smiled.  The sitter looked weirded out.  Everyone around seemed startled and a bit uncomfortable at his sudden outburst.

Animals I used to have difficulty with, now suddenly "get" what I'm wanting them to do.  I have livestock and pets that I train.  Sometimes when I'm zoning out in a line at a store, I'll be impatient or thinking something about a person next to me.  Several times that person will whip around and stare at me like "what the F did you just say to me?"...and then they realize they heard nothing.  They get this panicky sort of pale cold sweat look after that and then look nervous.  I try not to think of anything anymore while I'm in lines.  I will force myself to look at the floor or think of a song or stare at some object and focus there.  So many times I've had people say "what did you just say?" when I've only been thinking about them that it's getting kind of annoying.

My dreaming evolved a few years back to where I was going nightly to infested houses with spirits who are trapped there.  My task is to brave confronting them and drawing them out, or driving them off if they are demonic.  It's hellish work I can tell you.  Working with trapped children is easiest as you would suppose.  Adults who were steeped with mental illness in life are very difficult cases.  The success level is very low with them.  For the last year or two I've not had these dreams.  I get the feeling like I was given "time off".  And I needed it for sure.

Having said all this, I'm sure folks like JGirl will roll their eyes and such.  It doesn't matter.  I have eyewitnesses to the paranormal and so many more accounts to share of real things that actually happened.  I know this stuff is real.  If you never experienced it, be thankful you have the luxury of scepticism.  For those of us who don't, we have to roll up our sleeves and tackle what we know is out there.

Edited by SSilhouette, 13 November 2012 - 05:42 PM.


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Posted 13 November 2012 - 07:20 PM

View PostSSilhouette, on 13 November 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

I gave you links and quotes for the NDEs.  I have answered your questions one by one.  I have tied in the NDEs to the discussion of "proof that the afterlife exists" which is what you're trying to assert isn't true.  That was my response to your asssertion.  Remember?  Sure you do.

What it seems like now is that you are trolling me and want me to give up discussing ghosts, their potential mental illness and the utility of understanding that when going to rid a place of infestation.  You understand how it all fits together.  Please stop trying to pretend that you don't.
i am not trolling you at all. i do not troll people. for some reason  you decided i do n ot believe in ghosts or ndes etc. you are wrong in that assumption. i never challenged those things at all in this thread. this further shows that you haven't read or given consideration to what i posted.

Edited by JGirl, 13 November 2012 - 07:23 PM.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 07:31 PM

From a fair scientific standpoint of what makes ghosts possibly exist: When someone dies, their soul is released out of their physical body made up of bio-electro-magnetic energy to prove our souls (or "ourselves") are permanent bodies of plasmatic energy substance material inable to decompose after our biological organism bodies are no longer functioning like machines made to shut down, except "ourselves" are freed from them to roam for eternity.  

I know the variety of religious opinions in regards to souls, ghosts and the afterlife may agree or not with me, but ghosts are reported in every culture through time and recollected in a high number of ghost sightings, should verify my theory of ghosts' composition with reported activity is authentic.

And I doubt any ghosts trapped in our reality not in a "better place" have a form of mental illness whenever alive, I thought heaven was open to all good souls regardless of mental illness. A ghost whom possess evil thought and lacked proper morale shows it can be an "evil spirit" instead of a ghost can be used as a "guardian" to protect the living and guide them morally. Mental illness should not hold back passed on spirits from entering toward the "light".

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 07:34 PM

I can not say i do not believe in ghosts, I do believe that there are imprints of time.
My example is:
when you look up at the sky at night, it is possible to see a star which is actually no longer there, light and time are bringing it to you now, to you, it is there,  but if you were somehow possitioned on that star at the precise moment you see it, would you actually be in the past or apart of its future?
Is the star an imprint of time carried to you through some phenomena of light? if so, why can that not happen here on Earth? We have time and light, the two things you need to see the dead star, so it is possible to see the dead here?
As for mentally ill ghosts? well, to some if you talk to god you are praying, but if you hear god to talk you, you should be locked up? who knows?

Edited by freetoroam, 13 November 2012 - 07:38 PM.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:54 PM

View PostSSilhouette, on 13 November 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

I gave you links and quotes for the NDEs.  I have answered your questions one by one.  I have tied in the NDEs to the discussion of "proof that the afterlife exists" which is what you're trying to assert isn't true.  That was my response to your asssertion.  Remember?  Sure you do.

Actually, if YOU remember, I am the one that said NDE's are not proof of the afterlife.  I gave you links as well and you did not respond.  I also gave you links about suicides and what people are more likely to commit them and the wide spectrum that mental illness covers.  You have addressed none of this.

No one is trolling, it's just the topic needs shock treatment.


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Posted 13 November 2012 - 10:02 PM

View Postcoldethyl, on 13 November 2012 - 09:54 PM, said:

Actually, if YOU remember, I am the one that said NDE's are not proof of the afterlife.  I gave you links as well and you did not respond.  I also gave you links about suicides and what people are more likely to commit them and the wide spectrum that mental illness covers.  You have addressed none of this.

No one is trolling, it's just the topic needs shock treatment.
thank you. not that it's sinking in but i appreciate it.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:33 PM

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I know the variety of religious opinions in regards to souls, ghosts and the afterlife may agree or not with me, but ghosts are reported in every culture through time and recollected in a high number of ghost sightings, should verify my theory of ghosts' composition with reported activity is authentic.

And I doubt any ghosts trapped in our reality not in a "better place" have a form of mental illness whenever alive, I thought heaven was open to all good souls regardless of mental illness. A ghost whom possess evil thought and lacked proper morale shows it can be an "evil spirit" instead of a ghost can be used as a "guardian" to protect the living and guide them morally. Mental illness should not hold back passed on spirits from entering toward the "light".

Tsa-La, this thread is not to imply that ALL ghost are mentally ill, nor that mentally ill people can't transcend and "move on" in the afterlife!  Not by any means.  It is about the seeming abundance of mentally-ill qualities to most hauntings you hear about, and about how to help those trapped spirits move on.


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Posted 14 November 2012 - 04:59 PM

Folks let's keep the discussion civil please, throwing accusations of trolling around isn't going to help matters.

Topics such as this are always going to be rich in differing opinions so it's a good idea not to take opposing views too personally.


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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:46 PM

The tone of the poster was rather falsely-accusatory: saying I hadn't answered any of her questions or tied NDE into this topic when I did in fact both of those things.  But it's your call naturally.

Anyway, I just wanted to make sure Tsa-la and others didn't think this thread was saying all ghosts are mentally ill, or that mentally ill people can't find peace on the other side.  It's about how many ghosts seem to be suffering from mental illness and how we can help them move on in the afterlife.

After reading hundreds of NDEs on various websites devoted to those reports, and from dozens of books on mediumship and hauntings and all things having to do with "the other side", I've found that one of truths of that realm is that when people in the physical "pray" or reach out to or send loving energy to spirits trapped, it's more effective than those on the other side trying to reach them.  I think the reason for this is simple.  Since their fixation is obviously to the physical, something about "moving on" terrifies them.  So they would tend to pay attention more to the physical world than the energetic one trying to coax them back over.  If they encounter an individual or group of people sympathetic to their plight and who told them plainly that they are dead and need to move on, to not fear it, they would put more stock in that.

This world is weird.  I find it exciting that we are only on the verge of discovering all that is possible.  We need sceptics here.  The more you understand life and what it's purpose is, the more you know we need strong sceptics who insist the physical world is all their is.  Their role is essential.

Edited by SSilhouette, 15 November 2012 - 04:46 PM.


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Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:42 PM

i think this is a case of misunderstanding, all the way around.
i would like to clarify my position in this topic in an attempt to bring about more understanding on both sides as well as eliminating animosity between members.
i am not interested in battling - i'm interested in discussion
ok
first of all, i do believe in ghosts (spirits if you will) i do believe that people have had contact with them in many different situations.
i do believe that they can be communicated with.
i do believe that people have had NDEs and i feel they are valid experiences. i do not know 'where' they go but i do respect the experience. (actually i have more than a dozen books on this subject in my personal library. i am fascinated by it actually.)
what we do know scientifically is that they are not clinically dead. not by the standard of 'not coming back' dead. (to my knowlege there are no actual medical records of anyone coming back from the dead.)
that is why they are referred to as near death experiences. they may have touched the edge, peered over if you will, but they themselves did not die.
that is what i was trying to convey earlier that you saw as an attack on your position
the reason i had issue with you bringing that into the discussion is that whether or not we can agree that nde actually happen (and as it happens we do agree on that count), it has nothing to do with the emotional condition of those who have passed over and are 'stuck' as you say.
i asked you to clarify how they tied together and you cited first person accounts of people who had the experiences, this doesn't tell me how you tied that in with your original topic, which is what i was trying to find out.
my original objection in this thread was your use of the term "mentally ill" . not only is it a very sensitive thing for those who are in fact living with this disorder, but it is an inaccurate term for what you were proposing. this disorder requires a physical body and therefore it is an impossibility for a spirit. you chose to ignore the members who informed you of these things and that further exacerbated the situation.
had you rephrased it instead of steadfastly and blindly hanging onto it this may have gone a totally different direction.
as it is, here we are.
i hope that this cleared up some of the confusion on my end.

Edited by JGirl, 15 November 2012 - 06:44 PM.

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