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#10081    badeskov

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:09 PM

View Postseeder, on 24 March 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

a picture does indeed speak a thousand words, when you find the right picture of course.  Petra, 3000 years before the Peruvian Indians. Didnt even need the stone softening tech or lazers..

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It is very saying that throughout this thread (and others) there are no qualitative numbers for the alleged precision and what else is claimed. That in and of itself is very saying and, admittedly, one of the reasons what I stay out of it.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:30 PM

View Postzoser, on 24 March 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

Exotic unknown technology really.

That's what Hutchinson is about.

He was able to soften iron with a low power device.

The Peruvians were able to soften stone. Hutchinson's work revealed traces of intense heat.   The same effect is evident on the Peruvian stones in the form of vitrification.

Hopefully now you see the connection.  Kind of surprising that I had to spell it out.  But that's why I'm here.

Personal time has been and will continue to be limited. However, to return to certain critical aspects of your "speculation":

1) It would appear that you are attempting to assert that elements of the stonework in question are the product of altering the mass of the stone to a plastic and/or molten state. Correct?

2) It would also appear that, while not being overly specific, you are referring to primarily three lithic material types (limestone, sandstone, and andesite). Correct?

3) If the above evaluations are accurate, kindly inform us in regards to the speculated maximum temperature ranges/pressure gradients/cooling period involved in these processes as specifically applied to each of the three lithic material types.

4) You would appear to be quite confident in your assertions regarding wide-spread vitrification. Can we then presume that you have credible trace element and thin-section analyses to support these contentions? If so, kindly present such. And no, the notably lacking tidbits of De Jong do not qualify.


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Posted 25 March 2013 - 03:09 AM

View Postzoser, on 24 March 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

What we now have is more information and verification.  You just have to look for it.

DYOR.

Just wanted to add this one (from the bottom of the page):

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I think it is self evident from the above analysis that the reason no one else has been able to duplicate the "Hutchison Effect" is because they forgot to attach the string!

Which is indeed very true, sadly. If you want to keep promoting this pathetic example of a charlatan I suggest you find some really good substantiation to support your case, because you are essentially tasked with reviving the dead in that respect. Hutchison was long forgotten until you pulled his scam out of the proverbial morgue, so either you put it back where it belongs or you really dedicate some effort to explaining why you decided this dead horse is still worth flogging.

And you better do good as I do technology for a living.

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Edited for typos.

Edited by badeskov, 25 March 2013 - 03:22 AM.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 05:43 AM

View Postbadeskov, on 25 March 2013 - 03:09 AM, said:

Just wanted to add this one (from the bottom of the page):



Which is indeed very true, sadly. If you want to keep promoting this pathetic example of a charlatan I suggest you find some really good substantiation to support your case, because you are essentially tasked with reviving the dead in that respect. Hutchison was long forgotten until you pulled his scam out of the proverbial morgue, so either you put it back where it belongs or you really dedicate some effort to explaining why you decided this dead horse is still worth flogging.

And you better do good as I do technology for a living.

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Edited for typos.

I'm surprised to see you throw your hat in the ring on this one bade. Not that I'm complaining of course, it's been too long since I've seen much participation from you in my opinion (I understand that a man's gotta put food on the table though ^_^ ). :tu:

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:26 AM

View Postbadeskov, on 24 March 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:



It is very saying that throughout this thread (and others) there are no qualitative numbers for the alleged precision and what else is claimed. That in and of itself is very saying and, admittedly, one of the reasons what I stay out of it.

Cheers,
Badeskov

Who needs numbers in the midst of all this evidence?  Only the lost.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:32 AM

View PostSwede, on 24 March 2013 - 11:30 PM, said:



Personal time has been and will continue to be limited. However, to return to certain critical aspects of your "speculation":

1) It would appear that you are attempting to assert that elements of the stonework in question are the product of altering the mass of the stone to a plastic and/or molten state. Correct?

2) It would also appear that, while not being overly specific, you are referring to primarily three lithic material types (limestone, sandstone, and andesite). Correct?

3) If the above evaluations are accurate, kindly inform us in regards to the speculated maximum temperature ranges/pressure gradients/cooling period involved in these processes as specifically applied to each of the three lithic material types.

4) You would appear to be quite confident in your assertions regarding wide-spread vitrification. Can we then presume that you have credible trace element and thin-section analyses to support these contentions? If so, kindly present such. And no, the notably lacking tidbits of De Jong do not qualify.

1) Yep

2) Yep

3) Hutchinson noticed intense heat as a result of his melting the iron block.  The power output was only low. The figures are unknown but vitrifications tends to suggest (for andesite) in excess of 1000 degrees.

4) I'm not at my pc at my pc at the moment and cannot copy links.  Google 'vitrification in Peru' and click on the PDF file.  This indicates the properties you refer to,  check in later if you cannot find the link.

With respect you are in no position to comment on the knowledge of Jan Peter de Jong.  He knows far more about the Peruvian artefacts than you ever will.

A little humility would go a long way since you have only just joined the discussion yes?

Edited by zoser, 25 March 2013 - 07:38 AM.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:38 AM

View Postzoser, on 25 March 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

Who needs numbers in the midst of all this evidence? Only the lost.
Only those who are bothered about things like scientific basis for claims and evidence to back it up.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:24 AM

View Postseeder, on 24 March 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

a picture does indeed speak a thousand words, when you find the right picture of course.  Petra, 3000 years before the Peruvian Indians. Didnt even need the stone softening tech or lazers..


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:tu:

check this one...

Hypogeum of Ħal-Saflieni


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Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:30 AM

i see.

Edited by Lord Vetinari, 25 March 2013 - 08:33 AM.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:39 AM

View Postzoser, on 25 March 2013 - 07:32 AM, said:

1) Yep

2) Yep

3) Hutchinson noticed intense heat as a result of his melting the iron block.  The power output was only low. The figures are unknown but vitrifications tends to suggest (for andesite) in excess of 1000 degrees.

4) I'm not at my pc at my pc at the moment and cannot copy links.  Google 'vitrification in Peru' and click on the PDF file.  This indicates the properties you refer to,  check in later if you cannot find the link.

With respect you are in no position to comment on the knowledge of Jan Peter de Jong.  He knows far more about the Peruvian artefacts than you ever will.

A little humility would go a long way since you have only just joined the discussion yes?

How you take a page out of your own book then?  Swede and De Jong both work in the same field if I'm not mistaken, unlike yourself.  So I 'm unsure who knows more than the other. What is sure is that both know more than you and many others myself included.
So maybe a little humility from yourself for a change.....

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 04:02 PM

View Postmcrom901, on 25 March 2013 - 08:24 AM, said:

:tu:

check this one...

Hypogeum of Ħal-Saflieni

Amazing what you can do by chiseling and scraping with rocks! Things like this makes Zoser's "rock mouldings" look like natural events.


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Posted 25 March 2013 - 04:23 PM

Also the work of 'aliens', or simply an example of excellent craftsmanship:

9500 year old obsidian bracelet shows exceptional craft skills

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A work of precise beauty
This process has revealed that the bracelet was made using highly specialised manufacturing techniques. The analyses carried out showed that the bracelet was almost perfectly regular. The symmetry of the central annular ridge is extremely precise, to the nearest degree and nearest hundred micrometres. This suggests that the artisans of the time used models to control its shape when it was being made. The surface finish of the bracelet required the use of complex polishing techniques capable of obtaining a nanometre-scale surface quality worthy of today’s telescope lenses.


http://www.pasthoriz...al-craft-skills


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Posted 25 March 2013 - 05:47 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 25 March 2013 - 05:43 AM, said:

I'm surprised to see you throw your hat in the ring on this one bade. Not that I'm complaining of course, it's been too long since I've seen much participation from you in my opinion (I understand that a man's gotta put food on the table though ^_^ ). :tu:

Quite honourable really.  If a person has nothing to contribute best to withdraw for a while.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 05:51 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 25 March 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

Also the work of 'aliens', or simply an example of excellent craftsmanship:

9500 year old obsidian bracelet shows exceptional craft skills

A work of precise beauty
This process has revealed that the bracelet was made using highly specialised manufacturing techniques. The analyses carried out showed that the bracelet was almost perfectly regular. The symmetry of the central annular ridge is extremely precise, to the nearest degree and nearest hundred micrometres. This suggests that the artisans of the time used models to control its shape when it was being made. The surface finish of the bracelet required the use of complex polishing techniques capable of obtaining a nanometre-scale surface quality worthy of today’s telescope lenses.


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Nice piece of art.

Here's my favourite:

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The way Da Vinci caught the smile was very precise.  It's neither a smile nor a frown.  Total neutrality.

Of course very little to do with the thread.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 05:52 PM

View Postmcrom901, on 25 March 2013 - 08:24 AM, said:

:tu:

check this one...


No precision granite.  Irrelevant.

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