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#46    shanlung

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 03:17 AM

and then said:

canning the dribble that he wrote


Sonny boy boy,

Why not you find a forum for kindergarten kids who are your peers and your arguments and logic will not be questioned with over there?

And do consider changing your obscene signature.
You signature is akin to Hitler sign ARBEIT MACHT FREI above his concentration campsbelow

Will Israel be doing that next to the people Israel deposed from their land?
A good Final Solution to a group of people that you want their hands and feet tied while the high tech weapons
are being given to Israel?

Sonny boy boy,

Go play with your toys


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 03:51 AM

View PostProfessor T, on 04 December 2012 - 03:00 AM, said:

A war of annihilation allowing one side of the conflict to destroy the other will solve nothing for the following reasons..
  • The rest of the world would view the "Victor" as a dangerous antagonist which will perpetuate future conflicts and excommunications in world bodies, nations who supported the defeated side would not allow such a victory of one side over the other to "Go unpunished".
  • In the global society the "Victor's" would be attacked by supporters & survivors of the annihilation in other countries, which would lead to expulsions, deportations or even criminal imprisonment.

IMO, annihilation is not the answer as it will only serve to take a middle-east sandpit squabble and make it a global war..
I never said it would be a good or even sane outcome.  Let's face it - the situation cannot go on indefinitely and there are no other real alternatives on the horizon.  When two peoples are hell bent to kill each other it's darned difficult for mediation.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 03:57 AM

View Postshanlung, on 04 December 2012 - 03:17 AM, said:

Sonny boy boy,

Why not you find a forum for kindergarten kids who are your peers and your arguments and logic will not be questioned with over there?

And do consider changing your obscene signature.
You signature is akin to Hitler sign ARBEIT MACHT FREI above his concentration campsbelow

Will Israel be doing that next to the people Israel deposed from their land?
A good Final Solution to a group of people that you want their hands and feet tied while the high tech weapons
are being given to Israel?

Sonny boy boy,

Go play with your toys
You, sir, are being intentionally provocative and I don't appreciate it.  I am attempting to discuss in a reasoned and reasonable way a situation in the M.E. that is pertinent in today's world.  I'm 52 and don't appreciate being referred to as "sonny"  If you are so old then you might use some of the manners you were no doubt instructed in.  It costs nothing to be civil here, though it can be a challenge at times.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:19 AM

View Postand then, on 04 December 2012 - 03:57 AM, said:

You, sir, are being intentionally provocative and I don't appreciate it.  I am attempting to discuss in a reasoned and reasonable way a situation in the M.E. that is pertinent in today's world.  I'm 52 and don't appreciate being referred to as "sonny"  If you are so old then you might use some of the manners you were no doubt instructed in.  It costs nothing to be civil here, though it can be a challenge at times.

Sonny boy boy!

You still here!
With that signature of yours like Hitler sign ARBEIT MACHT FREI above his concentration camps.

ARBEIT MACHT FREI is perfectly innocent by themselves as words, made poisonous only by the context that was used.

Your signature , together with your campagine to keep the Palestinian hands and legs tied while Israel go on beating the hell and blood out of them
to intimidate if not kill them is like Hitler sign ARBEIT MACHT FREI above his concentration camps.

What next for Israel?
Turning Palestinians into soap?

Edited by shanlung, 04 December 2012 - 04:20 AM.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:32 AM

View Postand then, on 04 December 2012 - 03:57 AM, said:

I'm 52 and don't appreciate being referred to as "sonny"

Sonny boy boy,

First you tried to mealy mouth that you are older than me and by that innuendo, I should listen to you , respect your words and obey you.

Then you wrote your age.
I am amazed!

Truly amazed!

I thought your age was in the single digit from the way you write and the arguments that you have been making.
Maybe the truth of your age is about the same kind of truth in the arguments that you had been using here.

Edited by shanlung, 04 December 2012 - 04:33 AM.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:39 AM

View Postand then, on 04 December 2012 - 03:57 AM, said:

You, sir, are being intentionally provocative and I don't appreciate it.  I am attempting to discuss in a reasoned and reasonable way a situation in the M.E. that is pertinent in today's world.  I'm 52 and don't appreciate being referred to as "sonny"  If you are so old then you might use some of the manners you were no doubt instructed in.  It costs nothing to be civil here, though it can be a challenge at times.

No... you ignore all logic and reason presented to you and repeat the same irrational behavior.  Countless members have called you out on it and you reply with its just you being you, a self declared christian-zionist.    At the ripe young age of 52 you need to grow up.

Edited by acidhead, 04 December 2012 - 04:40 AM.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:40 AM

View PostWHO U KIDDIN, on 04 December 2012 - 02:17 AM, said:

That’s an easy one Then in 1964 Arafat was fighting to liberate all of Palestine from the Zionists, including the areas called Israel. At that time Arafat did not see peace with the Israelis as a possibility, he did not even recognize Israel’s right as a state. Arafat wanted all of Palestine for the Arabs, just like the Zionists today want to create their vision of a Greater Israel from all the former British mandate territories.

They say with age comes wisdom and contrary to the old saying that ‘you can’t teach an old dog new tricks’ Arafat by 1988 in a speech at a special United Nations session held in Geneva, Switzerland, declared that the PLO renounced terrorism and supported "the right of all parties concerned in the Middle East conflict to live in peace and security, including the states of Palestine, Israel and other neighbors".

Contrary to your Faux News sources the PLO and Arafat didn’t drop the ball on Oslo. It was the continued expansion of settlements into the West Bank encouraged by the extremist ultra-national settlers movement and backed by Netanyahu’s Likud that broke ‘the spirit’ of the Oslo agreements. It drove both the PLO and Hamas to once again renew their “terrorist” attacks against the Israelis and by 2000 lead to the Second Intifada and the trashing of Oslo with mutual blessings for its demise from Netanyahu and his crowd.  




100% spot on.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:42 AM

What Israel and Palestine should paste on their foreheads:

AN EYE FOR AN EYE MAKES EVERYONE BLIND !

(Albert Einstein)


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:46 AM

View PostHartmut, on 04 December 2012 - 04:42 AM, said:

What Israel and Palestine should paste on their foreheads:

AN EYE FOR AN EYE MAKES EVERYONE BLIND !

(Albert Einstein)

Except in the present context, Israel will take out an eye, if not the entire head, should
a hair in their eyebrow is even touched.

If nothing is done, nothing more need to be feared.
All Palestinians will all have their eyes taken out with their heads while only a single eyebrow is taken
from an Israeli.

I then fear if Israel will find some obscure writings in their past that the rest of the world is up for grabs to them as tribute to them
from the God that made them his Chosen People.

Edited by shanlung, 04 December 2012 - 04:47 AM.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:50 AM

View Postacidhead, on 04 December 2012 - 04:39 AM, said:

No... you ignore all logic and reason presented to you and repeat the same irrational behavior.  Countless members have called you out on it and you reply with its just you being you, a self declared christian-zionist. At the ripe young age of 52 you need to grow up.
So I'm not allowed to hold a dissenting opinion Acidhead?

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:59 AM

View Postand then, on 04 December 2012 - 04:50 AM, said:

So I'm not allowed to hold a dissenting opinion Acidhead?

You sure can bud... just be prepared to be called out on it and don't whine that you're a victim when it happens.

"there is no wrong or right - just popular opinion"

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 05:02 AM

View Postacidhead, on 04 December 2012 - 04:59 AM, said:

You sure can bud... just be prepared to be called out on it and don't whine that you're a victim when it happens.
My comment to shanlung was not whining.  He was being intentionally insulting and since some of us get suspended for such behavior I think it only fair that we ALL be held to the same standard.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 05:10 AM

View Postand then, on 04 December 2012 - 05:02 AM, said:

My comment to shanlung was not whining.  He was being intentionally insulting and since some of us get suspended for such behavior I think it only fair that we ALL be held to the same standard.

Ha ha ha!

I insulting?
I merely gave you the same kind of respect as what you have been giving to me and all others here.

How about a deal?

You change your signature to Annihilate the Palestinians, or Drive the Palestinians to the sea which is a lot more truthful
to what you are doing instead of your hypocritical signature calling for peace when you wanted nothing but war.
And at that, war with the hands of Palestinians tied to be brutally savaged by your Israel friends.

I then will change my address to you.

You see as sign of goodwill I did not address you here by what you should be addressed as.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 06:05 AM

View Postshanlung, on 04 December 2012 - 04:46 AM, said:

Except in the present context, Israel will take out an eye, if not the entire head, should
a hair in their eyebrow is even touched.

If nothing is done, nothing more need to be feared.
All Palestinians will all have their eyes taken out with their heads while only a single eyebrow is taken
from an Israeli.

I then fear if Israel will find some obscure writings in their past that the rest of the world is up for grabs to them as tribute to them
from the God that made them his Chosen People.



Look, this 'eye for an eye' Arab-Palestine-Israel conflict has gone on for far too  many decades.
Why? Because each opponent  can not see an inch beyond their own tribal, nationalistic  self-interests.
Clearly this attitude and government  policy has not resulted in any positive results for ANYONE ! Historical events that brought Israel and Palestine to this more than lamentable present state can not be reversed.
However, the future is not set in concrete - but for us to create and make - by facing up to reality,  by stepping beyond a certain calcified mindset, by recognizing that we, as humans, have more in common than that which is different, by demanding from our leaders to stop violence based policies,  by adopting  INTELLIGENT  ways of dealing with each others fears and differences in politics, religion and economies.
In other words, Palestine and Israel must use Common Sense (even if that is not common at all), if they want to stop and move past their current and future cycles of violence.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 06:30 AM

View PostHartmut, on 04 December 2012 - 06:05 AM, said:

Look, this 'eye for an eye' Arab-Palestine-Israel conflict has gone on for far too  many decades.
Why? Because each opponent  can not see an inch beyond their own tribal, nationalistic  self-interests.
Clearly this attitude and government  policy has not resulted in any positive results for ANYONE ! Historical events that brought Israel and Palestine to this more than lamentable present state can not be reversed.
However, the future is not set in concrete - but for us to create and make - by facing up to reality,  by stepping beyond a certain calcified mindset, by recognizing that we, as humans, have more in common than that which is different, by demanding from our leaders to stop violence based policies,  by adopting  INTELLIGENT  ways of dealing with each others fears and differences in politics, religion and economies.
In other words, Palestine and Israel must use Common Sense (even if that is not common at all), if they want to stop and move past their current and future cycles of violence.

I agree that this had gone far too far.

Situation there must be changed to arming the Palestinians as well.  With equivalent high tech weapons that can
be aimed and fired as accurately as Israel is firing their rockets and phosphorus shells into homes and schools.

If wait any longer, all the Palestinians from baby to old man have no more eyes to see with.

When truly to the stage of  an eye for an eye, Israel will be compelled to stop their ethnic cleansing and Lebensrauming and  talk real peace.

Edited by shanlung, 04 December 2012 - 06:30 AM.





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