What's the sin you can't tame?

[saucy]

We all sin and know we do, but what is the #1 sin we just have a hard time getting under control? For me, it's jealousy. My best friend, whom I spend a lot of time with, just got a girlfriend and now his every waking moment is spent either with her or talking about her. I don't hate her or anything and I think they should be together, but it's hard for me to step down. This is something I struggle with a lot. If you know how to help me or have a story of your own, please post below!

Edit- Last i heard this was an open forum, Other threads were closed for secluding members, i dont see any reason to close(so far) or seclude members fom this one saucy

Edited January 30, 2005 by UniversalAbsurdity

[_hAiLO_]

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbour's house; you shall not covet your neighbour's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbour's.'

Link

Well Saucy, jealousy seems to be a very envious thing...envy is healthy, gets you motivated . Maybe you should get a girlfriend yourself....I'm not too fond for one, my future hopes can really be interfered by one .

Honestly, the hardest sin for me to control isn't from the 10 commandments, but more from 'Gods word', and its mainly responsibility . I can't, in anyway discipline myself...I forget to do my homework, I get lazy, I stay on the computer for way too long now, but i'm not fat or anything . I just can't become as responsible as I want to, did you know 'To discipline myself' was my major New Years Resolution .

I think I got some of the things regarding others, like sypathy, compassion or respect...but its really hard to do things for me.....Gods Word would make wonders .

But if you are a non-christian who happens to stumble in here anyway, I'm not saying you need God to be good, you can be very compassionate if your not religous .

....oye!

[lightbeyondthedark]

Lust...

I can't help that I think women are the most beautiful thing ever created... lol

[Jesus_Freak]

lust is probably one of THE hardest things for a guy, and even girls sometimes, to get over.

MT 5:27 "You have heard that it was said, `Do not commit adultery.' 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

If you're thinking that's only for married men, then why would sin be different for married, or single men? ya know? And if you think about it, thinking of a woman lustfully in your mind would be the same as looking at her lustfully don'tchya think?

I fail every day... it's a real drag. I'm getting a lot better than i was before though.

Edited January 30, 2005 by Jesus_Freak

[_hAiLO_]

Dude...I looked up the definition for lust and my eyes popped wide open .

[Ken1Burton]

When Jesus put looking upon a woman the same as having had a relationship with her, He placed all mankind, male and female into the same boat (those adults with normal feelings that is, Some do not have the capacity to reason).

Now, How did Jesus come to this? For He was tempted just like any other person.

It is one thing not to realize it is sin, But once you do, Does it THEN become wrong?

(JOB 31:1) I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I

think upon a maid? (KJV)

Sometimes you need to see what we are really doing, to see what is right to be doing.

Jesus took away the sin of the world, so we are all covered. But the Bible is guidelines to live by, and they are good guidelines.

Ken

[Loge]

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbour's house; you shall not covet your neighbour's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbour's.'

Link

Well Saucy, jealousy seems to be a very envious thing...envy is healthy, gets you motivated . Maybe you should get a girlfriend yourself....I'm not too fond for one, my future hopes can really be interfered by one .

Honestly, the hardest sin for me to control isn't from the 10 commandments, but more from 'Gods word', and its mainly responsibility . I can't, in anyway discipline myself...I forget to do my homework, I get lazy, I stay on the computer for way too long now, but i'm not fat or anything . I just can't become as responsible as I want to, did you know 'To discipline myself' was my major New Years Resolution .

I think I got some of the things regarding others, like sypathy, compassion or respect...but its really hard to do things for me.....Gods Word would make wonders .

But if you are a non-christian who happens to stumble in here anyway, I'm not saying you need God to be good, you can be very compassionate if your not religous .

....oye!

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Deuteronomy 5:5-23 (Moses)

And Moses summoned all Israel, and said to them, “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the ordinances which I speak in your hearing this day, and you shall learn them and be careful to do them. The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive this day. The LORD spoke with you face to face at the mountain, out of the fire, while I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the LORD; for you were afraid because of the fire, and you did not go up into the mountain. He said:

“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

1. You shall have no other gods before me.

You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

2. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.

3. Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. Six days you shall labour, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, or your manservant, or your maidservant, or your ox, or your ass, or any of your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your manservant and your maidservant may rest as well as you. You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.

4. Honour your father and your mother, as the LORD your God commanded you; that your days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with you, in the land which the LORD your God gives you.

5. You shall not kill.

6. Neither shall you commit FORNICATION.

7. Neither shall you steal.

8. Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbour.

9. Neither shall you covet your neighbour’s wife - ADULTERY;

10. and you shall not covet your neighbour’s house, his field, or his manservant, his ox, or his ass, or anything that is your neighbour’s.

These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly at the mountain out of the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and he added no more. And he wrote them upon two tables of stone, and gave them to me.

Deuteronomy 6: 4-6 (Moses)

“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD; and you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.

Mark 12: 28-34 (Jesus)

And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him:

“Which commandment is the first of all?”

Jesus answered, “The first is this:

‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’

The second is this:

‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself.’

There is no other commandment greater than these.”

And the scribe said to him:

“You are right, Teacher; you have truly said that he is one, and there is no other but he; and to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbour as one self, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.”

And when Jesus heard that he answered wisely, he said to him:

“You are not far from the kingdom of God.”

And after that no one dared to ask him any question.

[_hAiLO_]

Thanks for the reference Loge...by the way, are you religous, or non-religous?

[RaginCajun]

Humanity's first sin was faith; the first virtue was doubt.

i think that explains mine.

[darksideofme]

Lust...absolutely lust. Struggle with every breath I take.

[Dog Demon]

We talking about the seven deadly sins? Well then, for me, it would be greed, because I'm pretty greedy, envy, I get jealous easily, gluttony, I'm a complete hog, and sloth, because I'm lazy as anything. Well, I'm going to hell.

[Alien_child]

my sin would have to be prefoming sexual acts before im married.

[Werewolf of Doom]

Mine would probably be Envy because I get jealous easily, and Sloth because I'd rather lay in bed all day and get bed sores than go to school.

[Loge]

Thanks for the reference Loge...by the way, are you religous, or non-religous?

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For me, religion is not for believing, but for instruction in order to know how to purify the Consciousness. For instance for Exoteric Christianity, the inferno is a place of punishment and eternal sadness; however, the Esoteric Christianity, the hidden part of the Christian religion is different.

In the hidden or esoteric part of Christianity, the inner or secret part is Gnosis. Esoteric Gnosticism sees the inferno, not as a place of eternal and never ended sadness, but as a place of expiation, purification and instruction for the Consciousness.

Obviously, there exists pain the in the Infernal Worlds or Inferior Dimensions, because in the inferior dimensions of the Earth life is terrible dense, specially in the ninth circle, in the core, we would say, of the terribly hard matter; there in that infradimensional region the sufferings are unspeakable. Anyway, those who penetrate in the Submerged Devolution of the Mineral Kingdom, sooner or later have to pass through that process that the Christian Gospel calls the Second Death.

In the Religions of the East as Buddhism or Brahmanism they also know about the Infradimensions of the world and name them according with their languages.

Nevertheless, the pseudo-scientific and new age people make humanity believe that these infradimensions are only the invention or superstitious ignorant people who do not possess their scientific tridimensional knowledge. In this manner, they speak about God, heaven and hell with the certainty that these do not exist and with such a confidence as if they were the one who created this phenomenal universe.

These pseudo-scientific and new age personalities are the outcome of all this sort of pseudo-scientific knowledge which was disseminated throughout the western world since Darwin in a very subjective, incoherent, vague and undefined manner.

Pseudo-scientific and new age personalities are disrespectful, irreverent. This type of personality from these pseudo-scientific and new age people has lost not only the sense of authentic devotion and of true religiosity but also that of veneration for the ancient Patriarchs (as Jesus, Mohammed, Krishna, Buddha, etc.).

This is how; humanity (having been able to be directed by truly wise religions) has degenerated in this Atheistic and new age ridiculous pedantry, thus forming pseudo-scientific and new age personalities.

It is convenient to know that these pseudo-scientific and new age personalities are full of pedantries; they are bottled up in Darwin’s Dogma of Evolution, they are misinformed about the internal constitution of the human being. These pseudo-scientific and new age personalities ignore the Tantric mysteries. These pseudo-scientific and new age personalities do not know anything related with the development of the igneous Serpent (Kundalini) in the spinal column, and besides the fact of being stuffed with too many theories, these theories produce a feeling of self-sufficiency to them.

Unquestionably, the pseudo-scientific and new age personalities are victims of self-deceit. They believe that they have achieved everything when indeed they have achieved nothing and what is worse is that they have lost their sense of veneration. They have forgotten the true and authentic religiosity. They have also lost their humility for the Creator Logos. This is what the pseudo-scientific and new age personalities are.

Certainly, the characteristics of the pseudo-scientific and new age personalities are unmistakable. Above all, their self-sufficiency, their terrible pride and their frightening vanity (based upon theories) stand out.

An intelligent person cannot walk on the path of the pseudo-scientific and new age personalities. An intelligent person cannot accept false dogmas such as Evolution; such as that of believing that all humanoids are perfect and complete human beings who possess all the capabilities of a true human being.

I prefer instead to follow the path of authentic Wisdom, the path of the Tantras, the path of the dissolution of the ego and of the recognition of my own misery and incapacity. Yes, I prefer to recognize that we are nothing, that we are only miserable slugs in the mud of the earth. Yes, I am concerned about how to psychologically work on myself. I want the dissolution of my ego.

We, the Gnostics use the intelligent power of the Creative Energy in order to achieve the Re-ligare. We work in the Forge of the Cyclops which is ignored by pseudo-scientific and new age personalities.

As a Gnostic, I am on a different, one hundred percent revolutionary path, and which nonetheless has the frightening antiquity which is lost in the unbearable night of all ages.

I Practice the secret religion of Jesus, Mohammed, Krishna, Buddha, Zaratustra, Moses, Lao Tse, etc. This Secret Religion has been baptized with different names by the followers of the brothers of this Divine Family or Universal Brotherhood.

[whoa182]

I thought these were all natural chemical things that go on in ones brain. You must desire the opposite sex. Thats how nature works. Thats how species do stay around...

What are you people talking about.. haha

Did you know being in love stimulates the same part of the brain as eating chocolate

Edited January 30, 2005 by whoa182

[Doctor_Strangelove]

Is eating cake a sin? No just kidding, the sin that I can't stop doing is jelousy

[Loge]

I thought these were all natural chemical things that go on in ones brain.  You must desire the opposite sex. Thats how nature works. Thats how species do stay around...

What are you people talking about..  haha

Did you know being in love stimulates the same part of the brain as eating chocolate

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I said in my heart with regard to the children of men that God is testing them to show them that they are but beasts.

For the fate of the children of men and the fate of beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts; for all is vanity.

All go to one place; all are from the dust, and all turn to dust again.

[_hAiLO_]

As a Gnostic, I am on a different, one hundred percent revolutionary path, and which nonetheless has the frightening antiquity which is lost in the unbearable night of all ages.

I Practice the secret religion of Jesus, Mohammed, Krishna, Buddha, Zaratustra, Moses, Lao Tse, etc.  This Secret Religion has been baptized with different  names by the followers of the brothers of this Divine Family or Universal Brotherhood.

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Quite interesting, wonder how I never heard of a gnostic before, but I've heard of the word gnostic before and people doing as you do, very interesting

[Jesus_Freak]

hey Whoa182... I don't want to start a war over this, but i'll explain why christians think it's wrong to look at a woman lustfully, and why it isn't just nature.

As a christian, I believe in what some people would call "soul mates"... we were born to glorify God, and our wife/husband is there to help us do so (along with make more kids to glorify God) Now since God knows all, He already has someone picked out for me to marry. I don't know who I'm going to marry, but i do know that even looking lustfully at a woman other than my wife is sin, so why risk it? 1 woman out of 1,000 million christian women in the world... Now, about "nature"... Yes, it almost seems natural to lock onto a woman's breasts as she walks down the hallway at school, but was it meant to be like that? Adam and Eve were nudists (in a sense) until they ate the fruit. Breasts weren't meant to be something sexually appealing to men. It's when they put on fig leaves to hide their bodies, and realized "hey, I don't have those!" that breasts, and butts and such became something taboo and appealing. And with all the half naked women on tv now-a-days, that are so easily accesable to young children, our sex drive grows more and more from an earlier age. Think of it this way. You're locked in a room during your whole stage of puberty without tv, or any form of media. You've never seen a breast in your life. Would you still think breasts are sexy?... that's how big a natural sex drive is. We weren't created with such a huge sex drive as a lot of people have... it gets bigger and bigger as we cram more filth into our heads.

oh, and everyone talking about the seven deadly sins.... i see those as just more vague descriptions of the ten commandments. I don't think of those when i think of what's a sin and what's not. I'm really not sure where they even came from.

Edited January 30, 2005 by Jesus_Freak

[4dplane]

Adam and Eve were nudists (in a sense) until they ate the fruit. Breasts weren't meant to be something sexually appealing to men.

What about partial nudist cultures today, I have heard these cultures have some of the lowest abortion, sexual abuse and rape crimes in the world – to me this portrays the idea of hiding your sex may do more harm then revealing it to all.

Think of living in a country where seeing naked people is as common as seeing clothed people. Why do you think men would be trying to accost every woman they saw? Maybe you think this because you don’t believe you could handle yourself (keep your cool!) in a situation like that. Could you? I don’t think I would fair too well at first anyway, but given time I’m sure it’s possible. We are this way because of the country and culture from hence we came, not because Eve ate fruit from a tree.

Think of it this way. You're locked in a room during your whole stage of puberty without tv, or any form of media. You've never seen a breast in your life. Would you still think breasts are sexy?...

What? This is not life as you describe – this is a place of hell, no? Does your god want you to live in a room with no chance of sin – should you roam the earth with hoarse blinders on to save your soul from the pits of hell?

To add, what of people 10,000 years ago, they did not have media with half naked woman on them and those people had sex. In fact, as stated earlier, all of history people have been having sex – that’s why were here now – wow! Thanks god for a sex drive.

I agree that America’s exploitation of woman / girls is growing sicker by the day. Look back at the time of I love Lucy, they had separate beds and they were married! Today, we have Brittney Spears, who at the time of stardom was only 17; this illegal teen was paraded on the media for all boys and men to watch. The major difference here, verse a nudist colony, is they do not parade their young daughters around on TV and then tell all the men they can’t have her, and if they do, they will be killed.

The sickness here is not because man is inherently evil. The answer has two parts:

First, in America, we have rules and cultural norms that we follow – even if we are not Christian, we may still marry because we are engrossed in the culture which is saturated with a Christian view. In this American Christian view of how to live ones life, you are to find your soul mate and never look another woman in lust again.

Second, American’s media / capitalistic frenzy does not give a rats a$$ about Christian values, or any values for that matter. All they are looking for is a way to get you to BUY BUY BUY! Now, humans have a sex drive, along with a few other strong desirers like food.

Boom! That’s it – market everything you sell around sex and/or food. Even better – hook’em while they’re young and you’ll have them for life.

The true devil here is us letting them do it to us.

America’s sexual abuse and rape crimes are among the heist in the world.

O - And my sin would be if I had one – I do not believe Jesus Christ is my personal savior.

That’s the biggest of them all is it not?

[Jesus_Freak]

i'm not saying we should not have any sex drive, but rather one that is much smaller than most people's.

and here we go with another debate.... ugh... i'm done

Edited January 30, 2005 by Jesus_Freak

[Ken1Burton]

One man told me that he could not overcome getting angry. He prayed over and over, and had others pray for him. But he still got angry.

I told him, God would not answer that prayer. This is a Lesson. You believe God will not allow your anger, That it might even separate you from God. Nothing can separate you from God, Nothing. God loves you. He might not care for what you do. But, You He loves. You are created in His Image. And Jesus took care of any problems between you and God at Golgotha.

So these things that are trying to be tamed. Are you sure they are not lessons? Do you believe they will separate you from God? Then what is needed is to see NOTHING will separate you. Then maybe what you are trying to tame, might just go away on it’s own.

(JOB 9:10) Which doeth great things past finding out; yea, and

wonders without number. (KJV)

Now there are things PAST finding OUT. So find what OUT is, then go beyond it.

Jesus spoke of going IN AND OUT and finding pasture:

(JOHN 10:9) I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be

saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. (KJV)

Any reason we believe God will not accept us for, has to be dealt with. So we feel as if God had cast us out. (Hint: God has a Stopwatch) When our love for God gets greater then what we see as separating us from God, we overcome and come back JUST AS WE ARE. This is the Going in and out. Then when all has been dealt with, We go OUT NO MORE. For we know Nothing will separate us.

(REVELATION 3:12) Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the

temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write

upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God,

which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my

God: and I will write upon him my new name. (KJV)

Just one other thing. Taking the name of the Lord in Vain, it has nothing to do with profanity. For as God told us to bless them who curse us, So He does the same thing. Taking His Name in Vain is to come to Christ, and doing nothing with your belief, Not sharing it. Just having an idle faith. THAT is what bothers God. That is taking His Name in vain.

We are humans, Trying to surpress you sex drive has lead to many disasters. Ask the Catholic Church. God created us a Sexual Creature as well as a spiritual one. And as this matures within us, It is better to let it take the normal course.

If God has not sent your SOUL MATE as you see it, Better take a pick of what He has sent. Your idea and His might be a lot different, You might be looking for what YOU WANT, and He might be sending what YOU NEED.

Either way, His grace is sufficient. Right choice, or wrong choice, He is not going to foresake you. And that also covers getting a divorce, remarried, or if you have just lived together. Jesus took away the sin of the world. He left it nailed to a cross at Golgotha.

Ken

[beowulf]

Since sin is defined as going against the commandments of God and as a Deist I believe that the Creator does not interact with us, having given us complete free will (no strings attached as with Xianity) and a consience to guide us, I do not recognize sin. In fact no religion really had the concept of sin until the Persians started pushing Zoasterism, which the Hebrews copied and made YHWH is good God and Satan the evil one, only then did sin come into religion! So while I have a few fobiles and bad habits, I have no sin!

[Loge]

Since sin is defined as going against the commandments of God and as a Deist I believe that the Creator does not interact with us, having given us complete free will (no strings attached as with Xianity) and a consience to guide us, I do not recognize sin.  In fact no religion really had the concept of sin until the Persians started pushing Zoasterism, which the Hebrews copied and made YHWH is good God and Satan the evil one, only then did sin come into religion!  So while I have a few fobiles and bad habits, I have no sin!

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The one who ignores the will of his own God (who dwells within the most recondite parts of his cosnciousness) ignores his laws, thus, he/she cannot comprehend what is to be against (sin) his God's will!

Only the one who consciously enters into the realm of God can consciously understand his will and therefore comprehend what sin is!

Nonetheless, the ignorance of the law does not avoid its fulfilment!

[Me_Again]

Gnos·ti·cism    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (nst-szm)

n.

The doctrines of certain pre-Christian pagan, Jewish, and early Christian sects that valued the revealed knowledge of God and of the origin and end of the human race as a means to attain redemption for the spiritual element in humans and that distinguished the Demiurge from the unknowable Divine Being.

Is this a correct meaning for that which you believe in, Loge? So the human race is ending or evolving, I mean devolving...I'll try not to worry and thank you for sharing your wisdom with us , *wonders what the future will be like

And to answer the thread topic... The 'sin' I have a hard time taming is forgiveness of myself and others. Is not forgiving, considered a 'sin'