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[Alienated Being]

A Silent Shadow, on 22 June 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

It comes down to how you want to view it as. Do you want to see it as just a coincidence or something else?

She can interpret this chain of events however she pleases, but to say that it is more than a coincidence without having any real evidence to indicate such is ridiculous.

[A Shadow]

Alienated Being, on 22 June 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

She can interpret this chain of events however she pleases, but to say that it is more than a coincidence without having any real evidence to indicate such is ridiculous.

For some it will be but for others it will mean something more. Anyways the whole world is absurd and ridiculous, is it not?

[_Only]

Alienated Being, on 22 June 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

She can interpret this chain of events however she pleases, but to say that it is more than a coincidence without having any real evidence to indicate such is ridiculous.

To you.

You can judge her interpretation however you please, but to tell her that her thoughts are ridiculous without having any real evidence to indicate such is a faux pas.

[Uncle Sam]

I have predicted the fall of Egypt and Syria when the Middle East Spring first started happening. Nobody believed me on the forums it would go that far, but it is not over yet. Still other dictators who will be over thrown by masses who are inspired by other countries successes. Iran is one of the most primed countries to be overthrown next by a mass movement of people.

Many of the Iranians want what the American's have or we take for granted, our freedoms from oppressive laws. With the political rift happening in the Iranian Government and Power Grabs, it is weakening the Iranian Government that can handle riots or mass protests. It won't be at the hands of any outside Government Forces, but at the hands of the people. A revolution which could lead to massive deaths due to the radical government they live under. You think Syria is bad, wait till you see what will happen in Iran. During the final Death Howls, it will pretty much lay the blame on rebels, saying they are agents of the west and Zion which will be further from the truth.

Like I always like to say, "If you ignore your people long enough, oppress them and blind them with false truths, they more violent the your fall will be."

Edited by Uncle Sam, 25 June 2012 - 06:55 AM.

[Delovely5150]

Whether it happens to anyone often or not, It's probably nothing more than just a skill, a savant skill.  Or at least that's what it sounds like to me.

[Device]

I think everything in the universe is linked in a quite intimate way. These sorts of coincidences are a glimpse of that.

[Alienated Being]

_Only, on 25 June 2012 - 06:19 AM, said:

To you.

You can judge her interpretation however you please, but to tell her that her thoughts are ridiculous without having any real evidence to indicate such is a faux pas.

Hardly - the fact that she is suggesting that something more than "coincidence" is the reason behind her experiences is ludicrous. We don't have any irrefutable evidence to suggest that psychic ability exists, other than hear-say. It is fun to think, and fantasize, about... however; it is silly to say that something happens much too often to be "coincidence". We have no reason to think that coincidences are anything more than that - coincidences.

Edited by Alienated Being, 25 June 2012 - 03:16 PM.

[_Only]

Alienated Being, on 25 June 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

Hardly - the fact that she is suggesting that something more than "coincidence" is the reason behind her experiences is ludicrous. We don't have any irrefutable evidence to suggest that psychic ability exists, other than hear-say. It is fun to think, and fantasize, about... however; it is silly to say that something happens much too often to be "coincidence". We have no reason to think that coincidences are anything more than that - coincidences.

Just because there is no irrefutable evidence doesn't make the thought ridiculous. Some have had amazing coincidences (like a dream I've had). Just because you don't understand how they happened doesn't mean we are ridiculous to think it could be something other than pure chance. Once you understand what causes something, then you can call another ridiculous for thinking otherwise. Until then, your opinion, no matter how matter-of-fact it is presented, won't sway people.

[Alienated Being]

_Only, on 26 June 2012 - 02:08 AM, said:

Just because there is no irrefutable evidence doesn't make the thought ridiculous. Some have had amazing coincidences (like a dream I've had). Just because you don't understand how they happened doesn't mean we are ridiculous to think it could be something other than pure chance. Once you understand what causes something, then you can call another ridiculous for thinking otherwise. Until then, your opinion, no matter how matter-of-fact it is presented, won't sway people.

Until there is anything to suggest that it is something other than mere chance, or coincidence, then common sense tells me that that is all it is... a coincidence. Using your logic, I could say that a gentleman who has been struck by lightning THREE times is being used as a metaphorical stress ball by Zeus. I don't know what caused this gentleman to be struck by lighting, so... therefore, my idea is not ridiculous.

Edited by Alienated Being, 26 June 2012 - 02:23 AM.

[_Only]

Alienated Being, on 26 June 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

Until there is anything to suggest that it is something other than mere chance, or coincidence, then common sense tells me that that is all it is... a coincidence. Using your logic, I could say that a gentleman who has been struck by lightning THREE times is being used as a metaphorical stress ball by Zeus.

Your blatant hyperbole isn't convincing me. Precognition has nothing to do with Zeus throwing lightning bolts. You can disagree, but come on. Settle what this world, reality, our minds etc. are, and then I will start to follow what you're saying or not about coincidences.

Edited by _Only, 26 June 2012 - 03:12 AM.

[Alienated Being]

_Only, on 26 June 2012 - 03:09 AM, said:

Your blatant hyperbole isn't convincing me. Precognition has nothing to do with Zeus throwing lightning bolts. You can disagree, but come on.

Sure it does - we haven't any irrefutable evidence to suggest that precognition exists; merely hear-say... just like we do not have the evidence to suggest that Zeus exists.

Do I believe in intuition? Absolutely. I believe that humans are highly intuitive creatures. Do I believe in psychic mumbo jumbo? I think it's a possibility, just like it is a possibility that a pink elephant equivalent to the size of our moon is on a crash course to earth. Though, not very probable.

A friend of mine has recently been engaged to her boyfriend (congrats to them). She has been with him for two years, and has lived with him for about six months. Within the past month or so, I began to get a feeling that they would soon be engaged - and they were. Do I attribute this to some new-age, psychic clap-trap? Negative. I put two-and-two together - reading into certain signs. For example, for an entire month prior to the engagement, she would make status updates regarding how happy and content she is to have him, how much she loves him, how everything she needs is "right here", etc. What next step would there be, if she is happy, in love, and living with her boyfriend, and the feeling was mutual? Engagement. Marriage. I had a feeling, and it was confirmed. I do not, in any way, attribute this to some psychotic, new age garbage. That's ridiculous.

[Quarky]

happens to me too - more frequently than most from what I gather.  Can't control it though.  Sometimes I think it may be more intuition and deductive reasoning than premonition at work? Not sure.

[_Only]

Alienated Being, on 26 June 2012 - 03:21 AM, said:

Sure it does - we haven't any irrefutable evidence to suggest that precognition exists; merely hear-say... just like we do not have the evidence to suggest that Zeus exists.

Do I believe in intuition? Absolutely. I believe that humans are highly intuitive creatures. Do I believe in psychic mumbo jumbo? I think it's a possibility, just like it is a possibility that a pink elephant equivalent to the size of our moon is on a crash course to earth. Though, not very probable.

A friend of mine has recently been engaged to her boyfriend (congrats to them). She has been with him for two years, and has lived with him for about six months. Within the past month or so, I began to get a feeling that they would soon be engaged - and they were. Do I attribute this to some new-age, psychic clap-trap? Negative. I put two-and-two together - reading into certain signs. For example, for an entire month prior to the engagement, she would make status updates regarding how happy and content she is to have him, how much she loves him, how everything she needs is "right here", etc. What next step would there be, if she is happy, in love, and living with her boyfriend, and the feeling was mutual? Engagement. Marriage. I had a feeling, and it was confirmed. I do not, in any way, attribute this to some psychotic, new age garbage. That's ridiculous.

Yeah, that's a fine example. But I've had a dream where I've visited an exact house inside and out, and then later visited that exact same house months later 2 states away. It's experiences like this that form my opinion, and I wish you had the same experience to see what ground I'm standing on to look at things like that. But so you haven't it's merely hearsay to you. But I don't know why you have to connect it to "new age crap", unless it's simply grounds for you to more easily and/or safely dismiss it.

But at what point does it go from coincidence to something else in your eyes? If, in a dream, I go visit a house with some person I don't know in real life yet, see his house from the outside, go inside and take a tour with him of it, room by room, and then some months later meet this man, and take that same tour? Mere coincidence? It's situations like that, the sheer amount of simultaneous coincidences that would need to be involved that makes me take a step back and wonder what else could be behind it. But apparently this contemplation would equal to wondering about pink elephants the size of whatever. How ridiculous is that?

But I won't be so rude as to label you psychotic for your opinion. That wouldn't be nice.

Edited by _Only, 26 June 2012 - 05:28 AM.

[Alienated Being]

_Only, on 26 June 2012 - 05:27 AM, said:

Yeah, that's a fine example. But I've had a dream where I've visited an exact house inside and out, and then later visited that exact same house months later 2 states away. It's experiences like this that form my opinion, and I wish you had the same experience to see what ground I'm standing on to look at things like that. But so you haven't it's merely hearsay to you. But I don't know why you have to connect it to "new age crap", unless it's simply grounds for you to more easily and/or safely dismiss it.

The human brain is a very complex, and intricate organ. It can easily influence you into believing that you had a dream detailing the exact same event when, in reality, you never did have that dream; rather, you placed memories of the experience into the long term memory bank. This has been an explanation for deja-vu, a sense of "being here before".

I most certainly do believe that it is new age crap. It is silly. The human mind is very intricate and profound, and I have no doubt in my mind that it can have this effect on people.

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But at what point does it go from coincidence to something else in your eyes? If, in a dream, I go visit a house with some person I don't know in real life yet, see his house from the outside, go inside and take a tour with him of it, room by room, and then some months later meet this man, and take that same tour? Mere coincidence? It's situations like that, the sheer amount of simultaneous coincidences that would need to be involved that makes me take a step back and wonder what else could be behind it. But apparently this contemplation would equal to wondering about pink elephants the size of whatever. How ridiculous is that?

In my honest opinion, I don't think it ever really does branch away from coincidence - I believe that they are all merely coincidences. That is my opinion.

[_Only]

Alienated Being, on 26 June 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

The human brain is a very complex, and intricate organ. It can easily influence you into believing that you had a dream detailing the exact same event when, in reality, you never did have that dream; rather, you placed memories of the experience into the long term memory bank. This has been an explanation for deja-vu, a sense of "being here before".

That could be a possibility except for the fact that in the dream I noticed one striking difference in many different parts. Outside of the house in my dream, my car was in the driveway. Later in real life, we took a U-Haul and my car was 2 states away. In the dream, the window in the bathroom wasn't set up yet and was leaning against the wall. Later in real life, it was perfectly installed. In the dream my friends stereo equipment was laid all in his room in the house. In real life he had left that 2 states away. This moves past the "sense of being here before" into a more odd territory. So my brain wasn't telling me I was remembering the exact same event or setting. I was seeing almost the same thing, but with various small differences. I've had deja vu. It is a fundamentally different feeling than visually seeing things from a dream, but with minor, yet striking, differences.