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[FurthurBB]

Cassea, on 28 February 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

I find this a bit dishonest.  Unless I'm mistaken. If so please correct me.  But abortions are done removing a "pile of cells" a pile of cells conveys the idea that it's just this gloop.  Basically drool or a clump of blood. But aren't most abortions actually cutting out a fetus?  Not just this blob.  But an actual already formed baby?  I know there are pills that can cause the cells not to attach. But I guess I've always been confused why people try to reduce it to a "pile of cells"  as if it is a petri dish content.  If you are willing to chop up and hose out a fetus.  Shouldn't it be honestly described?  I tend not to really get into these conversations.  So I'm not very knowledgeable.  If I'm wrong please correct me.

Most abortions in the US are done in the first 16 weeks by suction.  There is no cutting involved.  There is also no baby involved.

[Cassea]

This is a fetus at 16 weeks.  

http://www.telegraph...on.html?image=3

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16 weeks. The foetus uses its hands to explore its own body and its surroundings...

I would not characterize this as a "pile of cells."  I would call that fetus a baby.

Edited by Cassea, 28 February 2012 - 07:27 PM.

[preacherman76]

FurthurBB, on 28 February 2012 - 07:16 PM, said:

No they are not. Eugenics were all about sterilization.  Abortion and infanticide have nothing to do with that, especially when they are healthy.  I really think this was written by some anti-abortion person who thought they were being bright.

Of course they are. They just couldnt sell the public that undesirables must be sterilized anymore. So they went on to phase 2, abortion. The same exact people who pushed sterilization were suddenly the ones screaming "rights" and "choice". Through it the have been able to eliminate millions. Now they are looking for aproval for stage 3.

[FurthurBB]

Cassea, on 28 February 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:

This is a fetus at 16 weeks.  

http://www.telegraph...on.html?image=3




I would not characterize this as a "pile of cells."

Nor would I characterize it as a baby, because it is not.  Also, if you read correctly, before 16 weeks, not at 16 weeks.  And according to the information provided, most are before 8 weeks.

[preacherman76]

Why was my title changed??

[Beckys_Mom]

FurthurBB, on 28 February 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

Most abortions in the US are done in the first 16 weeks by suction.  There is no cutting involved.  There is also no baby involved.

This looks like a baby to me at 16 weeks --> http://www.babycente...images-16-weeks

Week by week the get bigger and more developed.. So yes IMO they are killing an actual baby

[HerNibs]

preacherman76, on 28 February 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

Of course they are. They just couldnt sell the public that undesirables must be sterilized anymore. So they went on to phase 2, abortion. The same exact people who pushed sterilization were suddenly the ones screaming "rights" and "choice". Through it the have been able to eliminate millions. Now they are looking for aproval for stage 3.

Just looking for clarification - do you believe that pro-choice individuals would condone the killing of newborns?


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[FurthurBB]

preacherman76, on 28 February 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

Of course they are. They just couldnt sell the public that undesirables must be sterilized anymore. So they went on to phase 2, abortion. The same exact people who pushed sterilization were suddenly the ones screaming "rights" and "choice". Through it the have been able to eliminate millions. Now they are looking for aproval for stage 3.

Delude yourself all you want, only the choir will ever believe this nonsense.

[Helen of Annoy]

Cassea, on 28 February 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

I find this a bit dishonest.  Unless I'm mistaken. If so please correct me.  But abortions are done removing a "pile of cells" a pile of cells conveys the idea that it's just this gloop.  Basically drool or a clump of blood. But aren't most abortions actually cutting out a fetus?  Not just this blob.  But an actual already formed baby?  I know there are pills that can cause the cells not to attach. But I guess I've always been confused why people try to reduce it to a "pile of cells"  as if it is a petri dish content.  If you are willing to chop up and hose out a fetus.  Shouldn't it be honestly described?  I tend not to really get into these conversations.  So I'm not very knowledgeable.  If I'm wrong please correct me.

It’s a pile of cells. That’s why sane people can approve of abortion in early pregnancy, when there’s no chance that pile can feel anything. What was called “partial birth” in crazy US is not abortion, it’s butchering. No one sane can approve of that, just like no one sane could ever approve of killing living, breathing babies.

Example to clear the pile of cells issue: it’s an old custom not to announce your pregnancy for first two months, because that’s when it becomes serious, after those first two months. When early pregnancy is lost it’s hard too, of course, emotionally, but biologically speaking it’s not as big deal as it is if almost viable baby goes away.  

Timing is everything here.
I have never heard of a woman who was happy to have an abortion, but that option must exist, though it has to be last of last choices, the desperate option.
No woman today can say she didn’t know how babies are made, and how to avoid that, but no one knows what life can bring and what kind of insane situation you can find yourself in. That’s why there must be choice. If for no other reason, then because my uterus is my uterus, not preacher’s, pope’s or anyone else’s. Mine. I decide if I’m going to grow someone inside it or not. Period. No pun intended.

[Beckys_Mom]

FurthurBB, on 28 February 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

Nor would I characterize it as a baby, because it is not.  Also, if you read correctly, before 16 weeks, not at 16 weeks.  And according to the information provided, most are before 8 weeks.

Actually  women have had it done  at 16 weeks and  upwards to 20 weeks...  This is a fact... not some opinion

[preacherman76]

http://www.telegraph...on.html?image=1

This is 8 weeks. I count 10 fingers and 10 toes. That is a living human. But what ever gets you through the night I guess.

[FurthurBB]

Beckys_Mom, on 28 February 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

This looks like a baby to me at 16 weeks --> http://www.babycente...images-16-weeks

Week by week the get bigger and more developed.. So yes IMO they are killing an actual baby

Well, it is not a baby, but you have the right to believe whatever you want.

preacherman76, on 28 February 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Why was my title changed??

Probably because it was untrue and misleading.

[Beckys_Mom]

FurthurBB, on 28 February 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

Well, it is not a baby, but you have the right to believe whatever you want.

Yes it is a baby and  it is not just an  opinion.. It is a baby in developement   Still living, heart beating, kicking baby...  I know  I hapen to be pregnant at the min and felt it kick around 16 weeks myself.. So YES it is a baby..

[Cassea]

I think it is wishful thinking to say a baby can't feel anything.  It's the same justification for eating lobster boiled alive. "it can't feel it."  If you are willing to kill it, at least acknowledge the truth.  You are killing a baby.  

This is the fetus at 8 weeks.

http://www.telegraph...on.html?image=1

I would not characterize this as a "pile of cells"  I would call it a fetus.  By suggesting that it is a "pile of cells" you are dehumanizing it to make it more justifiable.  It's not a pile of cells.  Not at all. It's a fetus.

[FurthurBB]

Beckys_Mom, on 28 February 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Actually  women have had it done  at 16 weeks and  upwards to 20 weeks...  This is a fact... not some opinion

Not where I live, because it is illegal.  14 & 1/2 weeks is the latest you can have an abortion in my state.