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#1351    Stundie

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 01:45 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 April 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

Not be any means, not even in the same league.
But a toy factory and an overpass are in the same league as the WTC....lol :blink:

Its hilarious that you do not see the double standards and pure hypocrisy of your own posts.

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 April 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

Now, you know why I said, "not in the same league."
Most buildings are constructed differently using different materials and structure layouts but the fact still remains.

Thermite can cut steel = FACT - As seen in Jon Coles video.
Thermite can bring down high rise steel structures = FACT - As seen in popular mechanics in 1935.

Crying about it and pointing out the differences doesn't change these facts.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 02:23 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 April 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

Nope! Just the ingredients.
But wait a minute you actually said....

skyeagle409 said:


So now you are contradicting yourself. :w00t:
  • Last year You said that you do not see how there could not have been thermite, so there will be thermite found.
  • This year No thermite, just the ingredients!!
You have now exposed yourself as either a moron who can't make up his mind about what is at the WTC and clearly doesn't know what he is talking about or you are just a barefaced liar. :w00t: Which is it??

It is obvious that a sensible conversation can't be held with you because you are evidently delusional.  I honestly believe that I have not seen a more obvious case of doublethink in my life. I shouldn't laugh but I'm not sure I can help you out. :w00t:

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 April 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

You can have the ingredients of a cake on the table, but until the ingredients are properly mixed together and baked, they are just ingredients, not a cake.
And wait a minute, I'm sure I've hear something like that before....lol

Stundie responding to Skyeagle about 18 months ago said:

skyeagle409 said:

You can create thermite in the lab using aluminum and rust oxide and igniting them under high temps.

I didn't know the WTC was a lab??

In other words, I can make cake with butter, flour, eggs and sugar whisked and put it in an oven, but I wouldn't expect a cake to magically appear if I just chucked the ingredients directly into the oven.

http://www.unexplain...45#entry4059584

So now you have resorted to stealing my quotes, rearranging them and then trying to use them against me.... :w00t:

Your debunking as totally gone to turd!! lol Its not debunking any more, it's you having a mental breakdown but you are unaware of it..lol

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 April 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

That's right! No molten steel, but lots and lots of molten aluminum.
There is no evidence of molten aluminium, not single eyewitness to the molten metal refer to it as aluminium, so therefore I am arguing with someone who operates on faith. Someone who claims he is an expert but showing absolutely no signs of his expertise, from someone who claims he knows better than all of those at GZ while sat behind a keyboard and wasn't there.

I think I've now gone past caring about what you think cause clearly, you've gone bonkers.

Edited by Stundie, 04 April 2013 - 02:24 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 02:29 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 April 2013 - 05:58 PM, said:

What more can I say?!
Not as confused as you sonshine...lol
  • Last year You said that you do not see how there could not have been thermite, so there will be thermite found.
  • This year No thermite, just the ingredients!!
I wonder what you will be saying next year with your flippy floppy contradictions and overall general cluelessness....lol

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 02:48 PM

View PostZaphod222, on 03 April 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

....in other words, the same tired old 9-11 conspiracy crap re-packaged.
Which is no different to the same tired old 9-11 official story crap that gets repackaged.

Apparently last year, the official story teller on here told us all that he could not see how there could not be thermite, so it would have been found in the wreckage at GZ. Which has now been repackaged as, there is no thermite, just the ingredients.

It's not anything new with the official story either, repackaging is a way of life for the official story.

I remember way back, when the pancake collapse was the official story as to why the WTC collapsed as endorsed by FEMA. Then it was repackaged by the NIST who didn't support a pancake collapse but a truss failure theory. :yes:

It also reminds of the WTC7 which according to the official story collapsed due to the diesel tanks full of fuel, which was repackaged again by the NIST when they said that the tanks played no part in the collapse and that it was a single column failure that caused the collapse. :yes:

View PostZaphod222, on 03 April 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

Haven´t we had enough of this nonsense already?
It makes me laugh when people post on a thread to complain about it as nonsense...lol

No one put a gun to your head and told you to read this thread or any other 9/11 woo thread you care to mention.

There is plenty of things on this forum that I think are nonsense but here is a little tip for you, I don't click on the stuff I think is nonsense. Its called ignoring the nonsense, that way it allow those who think that it is not nonsense, to type away until there nonsensical hearts are happy. Plus it supports free speech too by allowing those who have different opinions to me a forum to type there nonsense.

I have had enough of the nonsense in the official story, but it's my love of the truth (or should that be twoof!) that keeps me going.

Cheers

Stundie :)

Edited by Stundie, 04 April 2013 - 02:50 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:18 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 April 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

It is all a simple logic and all it takes is a simple syringe. Simple push would prove you are incorrect.
But you and simple are synonymous, however you and logic....well that's a different kettle of fish.

So lets use your simple syringe example.

What happens when the syringe is being pushed down?

Does the air continue to escape outwards from the hole as the syringe continues to be pushed down.
or
Does the air puff out and then stop and find another escape route, then puff air out and stop, then find another escape route and puff out and stop and repeat until the syringe plunger is down.

Because like a syringe, in the case of the WTC, if those squibs were compressed air, they would continue to expel air, office debris and anything else out as the collapse continues downwards past the place where the air as escaped.

But we do not see this in the case of the WTC.

What we see is that a squib appears and blows out some air, office debris and then stop! Then another squib appears on a different floor and blows out some air, office debris and then stops! Then another squib appears like 40 floors below the collapse zone and blows out some air, office debris and then stops! Then another squib appears blows out some air, office debris and then stops! And this continues on all the way as the building collapses.

So it doesn't behave anything like your simple syringe because the squibs appear and disappear, so whatever was causing the squib was not continuous.

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 April 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

What is the mystery? I am very sure each building had air ducts and elevator shafts, which once again, brings us back to the syringe.
The mystery is you but that is another topic for another thread in the unexplained mysteries forum. lol

The air travels up and down all the air ducts and elevator shafts, closed doors for it to explode out the side of the building and then stop, do a u-turn, travel up and down all the air ducts and elevator shafts, closed doors again for it to explode out the side of the building in different location, for it do a u-turn, travel up and down all the air ducts and elevator shafts, closed doors again for it too appear in a different location.

Sorry unless this is magic air, then it's not air.

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 April 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

Of course it was air pressure. No one heard explosions as the building collapsed. Observe in the video, you sound of explosions.
We all know that lots of people heard explosions as the building collapsed, making that statement a total lie Skyeagle. But then you are delusional and no matter how many times I post people saying they heard booms/explosions, you will say that you know better because as an internet warrior on a panto debunking misssion, this is your remit.

We also know that the video camera microphone is hardly the best equipment to pick up explosions above all the yelling and building collapsing happening much closer. Making this point another one in your moot bin, which is overflowing with moots. lol

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 April 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

Have you forgotten that each level of a building  is separated by floors? Simple logic, you understand.
Of course there each level is separated by floors?? :blink:

Are you suggesting that the air took the elevators to travel up and down the building?? ...lol

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 April 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

How about both. I guess you forgot how 911 Truthers were duped by that hoaxed video of WTC7.
Glad you agree with both. You are definitely not as smart as you think you are and the evidence definitely doesn't support your case.

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 April 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

That you are not paying attention, given the fact that those on the lower floors spoke of a rush of air in the basement. Check it out.
I'm sure these guys felt wind and air from the building as it collapsed but it doesn't support the squibs argument because the squibs do not continue to expel air as it collapses, just like a simple syringe would do....lol

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 April 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

Simply science, you understand.
Yes, simple....but there is nothing science about it at all because it fails to meet your simple syringe test.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:54 PM

View PostStundie, on 04 April 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

But a toy factory and an overpass are in the same league as the WTC....lol :blink:

Its hilarious that you do not see the double standards and pure hypocrisy of your own posts.
Most buildings are constructed differently using different materials and structure layouts but the fact still remains.

Fire protection remained intact and none were struck by B-767s. BIG difference. The WTC buildings had there fire protection knocked off which exposed its steel structure to fire. In addition, inspections prior to 911 attacks found that the fire protection of the WTC buiilding was substandard and improperly installed. Photos show rust and exposed structures of the building and substandard fire protection installation.

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Thermite can cut steel = FACT - As seen in Jon Coles video.

Thermite could not have brought down the WTC buildings and there was no evidence of thermite at ground zero. Ever thought why RDX, which is much more effective than thermite and used by the demolition industry, requires the use of explosives and structure pre-weakening?

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Thermite can bring down high rise steel structures = FACT - As seen in popular mechanics in 1935.

Reality time. Demolition companies do not use thermite for demolishing buildings. A single person with a powered saw can knock down a steel tower. Nothing new there.

Edited by skyeagle409, 04 April 2013 - 05:27 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:58 PM

View PostStundie, on 04 April 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

But wait a minute you actually said....

The ingredients of thermite. :w00t:

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Last year You said that you do not see how there could not have been thermite, so there will be thermite found.

Nope, just the ingredients of thermite. In other words, no planted thermite was found. As I have said before, until  you mix the ingredients of a cake mix, that is all you've got, just the ingredients, not the cake.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:02 PM

View PostStundie, on 04 April 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Not as confused as you sonshine..
  • Last year You said that you do not see how there could not have been thermite, so there will be thermite found.
  • This year No thermite, just the ingredients!

Just the ingredients, not the thermite.

1.    Aluminum from the aircraft structure and aluminum from the facade of the WTC builidings.
2.   Rust from the structure of the WTC buildings.

Verdict!! No thermite! Just the ingredients. No real mystery there. :no:

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:07 PM

View PostStundie, on 04 April 2013 - 02:48 PM, said:

Which is no different to the same tired old 9-11 official story crap that gets repackaged.

The official story can't be crap by any means. After all, 911 Truthers have failed to produce a single shred of evidence that refutes the official story.

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Apparently last year, the official story teller on here told us all that he could not see how there could not be thermite, so it would have been found in the wreckage at GZ.

Which there wasn't, just the ingredients of thermite, which came from the airframe of the B-767s and from the facade of the WTC builidngs and rust from the WTC buildings.

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Which has now been repackaged as, there is no thermite, just the ingredients.

That's right!! :yes: Just the ingredients. As mentioned before, until you  properly mix and bake the ingredients of a cake, you have no cake.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:12 PM

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So lets use your simple syringe example. What happens when the syringe is being pushed down?

Compressed air is forced out, which was exactly the case when the WTC buildings collapsed, and this video backups it up. Simply scientific logic, you understand. Something that even a high school science student would have understood. Check it out.

ENERGY TRANSFER IN THE WTC COLLAPSE

Thus, based on the dimensions of each WTC tower, there were 10,000 m3 of “open space” per floor. The collapsing floor acted like a giant piston compressing the air occupying the open space between floor and ceiling.

The pressure build-up would have shattered windows almost immediately, expelling the enclosed air. However, the process  of collapse would have simultaneously crushed the gypsum wallboard and fiberglass insulation present on every floor and some of this debris would have been expelled also.

How fast was this dust cloud expelled? The first collapsing floor fell the 3.7-meter ceiling-to-floor distance in 0.87 seconds and subsequent floors fell much faster. It follows that a volume of dusty air near the center of a collapsing floor traversed a horizontal distance of about 16 meters in 0.87 seconds in exiting the building. This volume therefore had an average expulsion velocity of 66 km or 41 miles per hour. As we have shown, the twin towers ultimately attained a collapse velocity in excess of 50 m/s in which case thelower floors were crushed in 0.074 seconds and dust expulsion velocities approached 778 km or 484 miles per hour!

http://www.911myths.com/WTCREPORT.pdf

Very simple to understand, which was something I knew back in high school. And remember, this video debunks claims that the WTC squibs was evidence of explosives.



Edited by skyeagle409, 04 April 2013 - 05:49 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:18 PM

View PostZaphod222, on 03 April 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

....in other words, the same tired old 9-11 conspiracy crap re-packaged. Haven´t we had enough of this nonsense already?

I agree! It is nonsense but the 911 Truthers just don't get it.

Edited by skyeagle409, 04 April 2013 - 06:59 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:07 PM

View PostStundie, on 04 April 2013 - 02:48 PM, said:

It also reminds of the WTC7 which according to the official story collapsed due to the diesel tanks full of fuel, which was repackaged again by the NIST when they said that the tanks played no part in the collapse and that it was a single column failure that caused the collapse. :yes:

The evidence proved beyond any doubt that fire caused the collapse of WTC7.

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It makes me laugh when people post on a thread to complain about it as nonsense..

Nonsense is issuing a claim  the WTC buildings were brought down by thermite when no such evidence exist, and then, turn around and claim that explosives were used without a shred of evidence. That is nonsense!!

The real evidence supports the official story, not fabricated fantasies of 911 Truthers. How many 911 Truthers fell for this video and claimed it was evidence that explosives were used to bring down WTC7?



Edited by skyeagle409, 04 April 2013 - 07:21 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:48 PM

Holy Smokes!  Did anybody see the pictures on last night's TV news about the tall building (unoccupied and still under construction) that caught fire somewhere in Russia?

Huge flames, going on for hours, and somehow the building did not collapse.  Funny thing was all the falling debris fell straight down vertical.  None was ejected laterally like at WTC.

Wonder why?  I guess the laws of physics were on holiday at WTC, eh? :innocent:


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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:53 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 04 April 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

Holy Smokes!  Did anybody see the pictures on last night's TV news about the tall building (unoccupied and still under construction) that caught fire somewhere in Russia?

Yep!

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Huge flames, going on for hours, and somehow the building did not collapse.

Was that building struck by a B-767? Nope? Now, it you want to see the collapse of structural steel during a fire, check out this photo and noticed the crumbled remains of structural steel to where only the concrete core remained standing.



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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:58 PM

No Sky, it wasn't.  And neither was WTC 7

Sometimes you make it so easy.