I think true immortality is impossible to achieve..no one can possibly live forever, and even mountains weather away to dust, and stars implode, over a long long time. But I do think with the advancement of technology people can start to live longer, but probably not "forever".
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. - Terry Pratchett
Posted 19 December 2012 - 06:42 PM
atomicus, on 11 December 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:
Immortality can be achieved, the human body has the capability to regenerate its self. Our cells are supposed to be replicated some every day, others every week and yet others like bone matter may take many months.
But when the body is out of whack and its metabolism disrupted, with GMO’s, over consumption of substances such as alcohol, prefab pharmaceutical drugs, (that often times are modified bacteria in themselves) cause the human body to reprogram its self for a shorter life span.
I don't disagree that these things probably limit our lifespan, but wild animals don't eat GMOs and they have been dying natural deaths for centuries. I think flesh is flesh, and it wears out.
But for fun, some say in the future aliens will show up and offer a DNA upgrade that will give you imortality. This will be the mark of the beast. The bible says in those days men will seek death and not find it. And so they will be cursed. For they will no longer be human.
"I go when I want to go. To prolong life would be tasteless"
Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:26 PM
I'm a spiritual immortal, as in my dreams i dream about my past lives(everynight). I've played a lot of different characters. I was a woman, an old man, an emperor, I can't remember the rest but i've played many different characters. One thing i am learning about immortality, is that everyone around you dies. Your grandparents, parents, cousins, uncles, even friends they all die except me. The curse of immortality would be loneliness from my perspective. That's what I'm slowly feeling. Yes i'm suppossed to be dead by now, but strange things happen to me when death approaches. Time slows down to an almost halt. Except for me. I have used this gift to save my life(a couple of times already), and my friends lives, and also other peoples lives. I don't even know why i am saying this here, hopefully there is someone out there is like me that can explain this to me. But in any case i've learnt from my recent past lives that i've been ending my life short (30 something). And i did this as if it was natural to me. I don't fear death, but i'm starting to have feelings to no longer come into these mortal worlds. I feel i've learnt enough. I've had enough of it. I know when i will die, I have seen it. It's only time now when i choose it to end. Everything that has a beginning must have an end. This is the rule of this universe. And everyone must comply
"The truth is out there. We are all searching for it."
There are the spiritual or transformed to energy like avatars but the other alchemical type of "immortals" really need to be considered seriously on this post!
First I'd point out that no physical body lasts not even stars. Universe was is created in cycles of birth life and death. It is because groups of galaxies are born or die at different times that it is immortal and lives on. All life either evolves or disintegrates because of time and it is a continuous process. I will say I have proved to myself some people have lived more or less with a middle age appearance for quite a long long time and discovered some major secrets! I believe the mystical guru types probably direct energy to control their bodies on a cellular level if they do exist. That certainly is not a feesable science for the masses wishing to have a conventual type of life in this world!
The other group practicing more along the old alchemy teachings is the one I have some clues about that most people would have an interest! I know some do exist and live a seclusive life style and it is especially hard for them in a day and age of IDs and their secret not being discovered. And yes they are the elite with accumulated wealth but still do their own gardening, farming and even bee keeping. They still loose family members through accidental deaths and they usually end up moving around, taking on new names. I don't think they even know how the whole process really works since it was passed down to them. They seem very wise, believe life after death, but I don't think they practice any guru type of mysticism. I do know they use wines and elixers from distillations of plants, minerals and metals, avoid ALL our food and water supply that contains the "poisons" they know cause all aging and disease. I was told they also meditate. Since they all have been related it may be family genetics but I was told it didn't work that way because those who didn't practice the tradition died old and usually of cancer!
I was afraid at first when I discovered their existence, kind of thought they'd kill me or something. I just know they shouldn't be identified and they seem friendly enough. They knew and liked my great grandparents and some other older family members. I probably shouldn't post this at all but I was so shocked by the discovery I had to come up with some sort of explaination about how they do it, it's facinating even though it's a really creepy alternate lifestyle.
I'm so intrigued and speculative on how it is achieved. I hope someone else has come into contact with people like them and we can share what we know!
Let me explain how I think it might work.
Let us consider the cycles within the universe of the human body. It is deliquate balanced system of cells, proteins, bateria and viruses continuously. There are the genetic timers and the wear and tear and aging due to limited cell divisions and damage at the time of cell divisions. Even if the chemical balance was right, the human body is naturally still in a state of eventual decay from its peek maturation. I think the researches who seek to "turn something off" are barking up the wrong tree because the natural less damaged cell divisions would still come to an end although delayed.
I believe this may be over come in different way! Along with a person of avoiding the so called free radicals by anti oxidents, something else has to be involved in the process. Cancer is a clue since it in itself behaves as an immortal type of cell. Imagine if normal beneficial cells could reproduce like cancer anywhere in the body without relying on certain specific stem cell functions. Cancer dells give chemical markers that cause the other normal cells which act as a group within a whole organ to die, more or less.
Our organs funtion mostly in specific groupings, they live,age, die and divide in certain types of groups originating from a specific type of stem cell. I tend to think the current cancer research being done will lead to a sustainable non degeneration in the genetic make up from the grouping of organs and normal cells by the way they live and die as a group! When certain diseases are present, normal cell type groups commit suicide more or less because of chemical signals. In cancer, even healthy cells eventually die, usually at the same time and the mutant cancers cells are the "vampires" that live on and reproduce from the blood supply. They are useless and dangerous cells to the organism as a whole.
When normal cells reproduce it's more or less the same mitosis time cycle within certain groups, so what if they were more like a plant? Some plants or even some creatures such as some jelly fish can regenerate cells without that cellular time bomb of the mitosis that includes a degeneration to the newly formed cells. They don't have our genetically limited stem cell funtioning which doesn't reproduce different types of cells individually where they are needed in an adult.
I speculate that somehow, maybe even through a specific virual effect the genetic abilities of a plant cell function incorporates into the animal genome and becomes a new biological functioning system that sustains youthful regeneration and immunity. It actually becomes part animal and plant on a cellular level. I think it would be a certain beneficial mix of flages and bacteria within the human body just like good enzymes exist in the body or beneficial bateria existence in the bowels.
What do you think?
Edited by White Unicorn, 26 December 2012 - 04:53 AM.
I myself follow specific guidelines for life extension and physical well being. In my view, everything starts with the mental outlook as it relates various belief systems.
Since you do know about those that have extended their lives, I say ask them instead of guessing what they have done to accomplish such a thing.
Thank you for the link he sounds like my kind of researcher
Spiritual meditation if developed can and does produce miracles even over a multitude of physical sins to your body and I think that effects any sort of treatment or life style.
These people live a very organic food life style, avoid mainstream antibiotics and vaccines, they use alkaline mineral water and distilled rain but their secret is they have several different distilled elixers of metals and plants used at different times. I'd imagine it would almost be like becoming Amish or a Hare Krishna to be accepted into their real family secret recipes! I hold a higher regard for the eternal soul body than the physical extension of my natural body.
The one guy told me they do not know how it works from a biological cellular point of view which is what really has me curious and I bet your Dr. Lipton would be too! But maybe they really do know. I hope to get more clues but they are seclusive and most people just consider them to be the local organic health nut family, not that they make their own "medicines". It was like pulling teeth just to find that out about them!
One of them advised me no matter what, do not drink the water even if its from a spring in the town here because it's very contaminated from the mines in the county and the additives in the public supply are even worse. He was a chemist for the filtration plant at one time. That's when he suggested to distill it or at least use a "pitcher of life" as a filter, you can get it on the internet and it was something Nasa helped develop, regular Calgon type filters won't help at all. He said the makers of the pitcher filter were on to how important the alkine and mineral balance in water was to health. But it still isn't as good as the methods they use! Being a city water person I use that filter now.
Edited by White Unicorn, 27 December 2012 - 12:23 AM.