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#31    spartan max2

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:48 PM

wow lol i guess i need to defend my statement.

First off, i think we can all agree that goverments lie. So i do not really want to waste a whole lot of time on that. If somone wants me to go in detail with goverments i can. Yes i know some goverments are by "the people" but in the real world only the upper class has the money to run and the common person has very littel knowledge of what the goverment does. Im not saying that as a conspiracy i  just mean they make tons of decisions each day that we do not really know much about.

Now to people lol. This could be hard to believe here on UM were we hear every story about all the scams, con artist, conspiracies, alternate theories about everything and photoshopped pictures. BUT in the rest of the world the common person does not lie a whole lot. They can be fooled easy sometimes but they do not lie. Yes most of us do a white lie from day to day. The reason people lie less is because goverments have far more motives and incentives to lie then people do. Goverments and people with power have to keep that power. People do not have a whole lot in the first place. The most common reason a adverage person lies is for self presivation. The second most common reason is a "white lie" to be nice. The third reason is when people are actually trying to gain something by tricking people.

So how common do people do this third reason? How honest the common person is can not really be proven/disproven but i will give my rational. Other then from personal experience you can see people normally tell the truth because people are naturally good. I believe we can see that people are naturally good because when we do something harmfull to someone else we always feel the need to justify it to ourselfs. When we do somethign good we do not feel like we need to justify it. We all feel sympathy with people we do not even know just because we see them cry. When people can we normally do try and help others. So if we are naturally good then wouldent we tell the truth to people most of the time? At times when we do not have to lie to perserve ourselfs.
As gandhi said " If you hear bad news all the time it is because good news is to common place".

Plus people love to share knowledge with others. So when we see something weird we just want to tell someone. We spout off random facts all the time too.

Im not advocateing aliens being real with my statement. I am just saying that i would trust random peoples stories more then i would trust a goverment who only will see you as numbers and statistics.

I hope no one takes any of this in a negative way. I know how words can sound mean just because our imagination is left to decide the tone of the persons voice. :)

Edited by spartan max2, 09 December 2012 - 12:50 PM.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:34 PM

I'm not sure what to make of Roswell.
For years I thought it was a mogul balloon crash and the military's initial response was somewhat tongue in cheek saying it was a flying saucer, since the term had only recently come into use.  Not realizing the massive backlash and newspaper coverage, they changed it immediately to say it was a weather balloon.

I know a guy who was a guard at Area 51 back in the 70's.  For a period he was guarding a building and he said his orders were to shoot anyone who tried to get in.  He never knew what was in there and said no one ever entered nor tried to in the 3 months he at that building.  The gossip among the guards was that there were aliens and a craft stored there, however he said it was just regarded as a joke among them.  It was not an unusual situation, as he said there were a number of facilities there which had very limited access

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:47 PM

Why does army pick up a ballon anyway? With less than 50 men? A ballon which could be picked up by one single guy and put it in the trunk of the car... And like sync said "First it's unknown craft, later is a ballon? " right...

People who witnessed that crash said object was failling under straight angle, like a meteor.. Ballon would be flying all over the place and would need some time to crash.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:47 PM

I'm a massive skeptic but with Rodwell I keep an open mind. Let's look from a detectives perspective. EVERY crime, even random violence needs a motive means and opportunity. With this case. What's the motive? He seems like a serious kind of guy and his evidence is not over inflated. It's rather subtle, like he is playing it down. In my mind he is a credible witness.


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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:51 PM

View PostNuke_em, on 09 December 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

Why does army pick up a ballon anyway? With less than 50 men? A ballon which could be picked up by one single guy and put it in the trunk of the car... And like sync said "First it's unknown craft, later is a ballon? " right...

People who witnessed that crash said object was failling under straight angle, like a meteor.. Ballon would be flying all over the place and would need some time to crash.
It was claimed to be a Mogul Balloon train which consisted of several balloons carrying equipment and they were wired together.
I was a highly secret program at the time.
More info about it here:
http://en.wikipedia....i/Project_Mogul

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 03:23 PM

View PostNuke_em, on 09 December 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

Why does army pick up a ballon anyway? With less than 50 men? A ballon which could be picked up by one single guy and put it in the trunk of the car... And like sync said "First it's unknown craft, later is a ballon? " right...

People who witnessed that crash said object was failling under straight angle, like a meteor.. Ballon would be flying all over the place and would need some time to crash.

Do we have any concrete evidence that the army/airforce used any amount of men to pick it up?  As far as the official reports were Jessie Marcel recovered it.  Maybe they checked the ground over after when they realised it was a top secret project.  

The more people involved the more likely you will get an information leak, and from what I have heard described them as looking like the average Gi.  

The other thing that got me was the airbase itself.  This was a nuclear weapon airbase yet every Tom, Dick and Harry from Roswell town from their accounts seemed to be walking in and out of it willy nilly.  I find that hard to believe on an average day with the security of a nuclear bomb at stake, let alone the heighten security of having a crashed ET craft that they want to keep highly secret.

Edited by skookum, 09 December 2012 - 03:25 PM.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:33 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 09 December 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

It was claimed to be a Mogul Balloon train which consisted of several balloons carrying equipment and they were wired together.
I was a highly secret program at the time.
More info about it here:
http://en.wikipedia....i/Project_Mogul

I see but the info released by military hit public in 1994, why would you wait for good 40 years, to say something you should say that time ago? It can be easily faked now, to say it didn't had to do with ET phenomena i don't buy it sorry...

Edit: Ballons don't explode in 200m radius can they? I know they can burn very fast, but explode?

Edited by Nuke_em, 09 December 2012 - 07:42 PM.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:41 PM

View Postskookum, on 09 December 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

Do we have any concrete evidence that the army/airforce used any amount of men to pick it up?  As far as the official reports were Jessie Marcel recovered it.  Maybe they checked the ground over after when they realised it was a top secret project.  

The more people involved the more likely you will get an information leak, and from what I have heard described them as looking like the average Gi.  

The other thing that got me was the airbase itself.  This was a nuclear weapon airbase yet every Tom, Dick and Harry from Roswell town from their accounts seemed to be walking in and out of it willy nilly.  I find that hard to believe on an average day with the security of a nuclear bomb at stake, let alone the heighten security of having a crashed ET craft that they want to keep highly secret.

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Soon thereafter, a military convoy with soldiers would arrive and order the civilian witness[es] to leave the area and not tell anyone what they saw. The military personnel would then commence with their recovery of the vehicle and its occupants.
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Don't know what you meant with nuclear threat, but a a nice opportunity to hide something so delicate, all eyes were on nuclear devices and their upgrading at the time so people didn't/wouldn't pay any attention to such events...And an average Gi was the most normal of military personnel at the time... they didn't had any special forces back then..

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:21 PM

View PostNuke_em, on 09 December 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

I see but the info released by military hit public in 1994, why would you wait for good 40 years, to say something you should say that time ago? It can be easily faked now, to say it didn't had to do with ET phenomena i don't buy it sorry...

Edit: Ballons don't explode in 200m radius can they? I know they can burn very fast, but explode?
I believe the Mogul was classified for a number of years after it's use.

One of the big problems I see with Roswell is quarantine.  If there were alien bodies and/or body parts and whatnot scattered around there appears to have been minimal attempt at quarantine.  Then apparently they were shovelled into a truck then loaded on an aircraft and flown elsewhere in unsealed boxes.  The indiginous bacteria alone on their skin and/or intestines if they had such could have been as deadly as Ebola or AIDS to us, yet there seems to be little indication of concern.
There's so much of the story sounds like a childs fairy tale to me.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:22 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 09 December 2012 - 11:21 PM, said:

I believe the Mogul was classified for a number of years after it's use.

One of the big problems I see with Roswell is quarantine.  If there were alien bodies and/or body parts and whatnot scattered around there appears to have been minimal attempt at quarantine.  Then apparently they were shovelled into a truck then loaded on an aircraft and flown elsewhere in unsealed boxes.  The indiginous bacteria alone on their skin and/or intestines if they had such could have been as deadly as Ebola or AIDS to us, yet there seems to be little indication of concern.
There's so much of the story sounds like a childs fairy tale to me.

Indeed. The whole story is completely ridiculous when looking at it from a logistics perspective. I also find it very saying that it only cropped up some 30 years later after Friedman et. al. starting embellishing it.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 12:24 AM

View PostNuke_em, on 09 December 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

Why does army pick up a ballon anyway? With less than 50 men? A ballon which could be picked up by one single guy and put it in the trunk of the car... And like sync said "First it's unknown craft, later is a ballon? " right...

People who witnessed that crash said object was failling under straight angle, like a meteor.. Ballon would be flying all over the place and would need some time to crash.

Whether a balloon, plane, car, drone, etc. If it were top secret they would want everything out as soon as possible. More people means faster recovery time, means less chance of anything getting leaked.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 12:45 AM

View PostSakari, on 09 December 2012 - 05:51 AM, said:

Their insurance premiums must be huge....

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 12:55 AM

I would Love to know the 1/4 of it ! :tu:
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:15 AM

Perhaps the individuals involved did believe in what they had witnessed, hence we find these dead-bed revelations to be credible from that individual's perspective. But, the idea of a humanoid et has always been a confound to my thinking given the immense probabilities that led to our evolution to a human form. To accept that a nearly identical humanoid from another world exists is to suggest that we are likely of a common seed, a Biblical Genesis event that argues we either negate evolution or accept the notion of a master plan regarding parallel planetary evolution. Given the brutality of catastrophic blunt trauma, it might be more conceivable that the et was indeed a mutilated human of small stature and the craft was of this planet, perhaps of the US or not. But, if not of the US, the government would potentially want to "hide" the fact that the borders were easily breached by a foreign power. But, of course, like most others, I really would like to believe in a humanoid et.


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Posted 10 December 2012 - 06:07 AM

View Posthighdesert50, on 10 December 2012 - 04:15 AM, said:

Perhaps the individuals involved did believe in what they had witnessed, hence we find these dead-bed revelations to be credible from that individual's perspective. But, the idea of a humanoid et has always been a confound to my thinking given the immense probabilities that led to our evolution to a human form. To accept that a nearly identical humanoid from another world exists is to suggest that we are likely of a common seed, a Biblical Genesis event that argues we either negate evolution or accept the notion of a master plan regarding parallel planetary evolution. Given the brutality of catastrophic blunt trauma, it might be more conceivable that the et was indeed a mutilated human of small stature and the craft was of this planet, perhaps of the US or not. But, if not of the US, the government would potentially want to "hide" the fact that the borders were easily breached by a foreign power. But, of course, like most others, I really would like to believe in a humanoid et.
There are many possibilities regarding humanoid biology. At this point its all speculation in regards to the orgin of any remains found at the crash site. I will list all the possible reasons the E.Ts could be humanoid. anyone feel free to add to the list.

1. Aliens purposely altered our dna to look like them at some point in our evolution
2. Aliens are demensional beings who live in a parralel world to ours, so they are only slighty different.
3. Aliens are actually just human time travelers who have evolved into what we call greys.
4. Evolution naturally favors bipedal, large brained, two eyed beings as the most advanced organisms
5. Aliens and humans were created by a common creator with a similar design in mind.
6. they are demonic shape shifters sent by satan to turn us away from god.
7. the bodies at roswell were genetic experiments by a government gone wrong or right?
8. by sheer luck they just happen to look like us
9. Aliens are made up by pop culture and are merely an artist interpretation of what they believe a et would look like.
10. aliens saw humans and thought we looked nice so they changed their genetic structure to look like us

everyone picks one of these depending on their own world view. I personally like number 3.
I think we would evolve to eventually look like greys, and by that time we would have the technology for time travel.





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