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Posted 01 September 2012 - 05:01 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 01 September 2012 - 03:40 AM, said:

If you really want to know what happened in New Mexico in 1947, you'd need to see the records of a couple of guys: Lincoln LaPaz and my "old friend" Sheridan Cavitt.  The former was one of the scientist called in to study these crashing "meteors" (LOL) and the other was the base CIG/CIA guy.  I know they called him counter-intelligence but he was well-known to be a CIA spook, and he never talked about anything except what they told him.

He was yet another guy who seemed to have left no real paper trail, either about UFOs or anything else.

Really MacG? You've gone through the La Paz records and determined he was involved with crashed Flying Saucers as opposed to studying the Green Fireballs phenomena? Or is this just more conspiracy and baseless conjecture on your part?

The truth is La Paz was in Oklahoma during the Roswell events.
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Posted 18 October 2012 - 06:28 PM

Sorry for just dropping in but i red about Roswell the main event here : http://www.angelfire...ily_record.html

So the two people who witnessed this with their very own eyes said " Wilmot called Mrs. Wilmot's attention to it and both ran down into the yard to watch. It was in sight less then a minute, perhaps 40 or 50 seconds, Wilmot estimated."

If this would be the case of a WEATHER BALLOON then can someone tell how is it possible for a ballon to fall at such high speeds...


Then there is this: was NOT a disc or saucer, but instead a weather balloon or weather device..

So if military had no clue about what were they saying or what did they find, but plainly it was categorized as a ballon, how in the hell could they even say that then?
I know i know...era of mass sightings, that is not acceptable in this case... If one first says it is something unknown that is just that...unknown. But very first day you change the story why? Because people think...at least in army at the time...they knew that if they had such a technology at hand, they could learn alot but if public knew there would always be pressure and media would surely want pictures and videos of such investigation and analysis.

"Reports are military officials toured news media offices in Roswell, Albuquerque, and Santa Fe retrieving original copies of the press release sent out the day before by RAAF that revealed the Army had a "flying disk" in their possession. A wire recording interview was also confiscated."

See...this just adds to the conclusion that something went down... and i bet it wasn't a ballon..

Edited by Nuke_em, 18 October 2012 - 06:29 PM.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 06:38 PM

View PostNuke_em, on 18 October 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

See...this just adds to the conclusion that something went down... and i bet it wasn't a ballon..

I'm pretty sure it was our first attempt at putting a Motel Six into space, it just went terribly wrong.
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Posted 18 October 2012 - 06:47 PM

Early start :D They wanted it back then ha? Investors were probably furious!
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 08:09 AM

View PostNuke_em, on 18 October 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

Sorry for just dropping in but i red about Roswell the main event here : http://www.angelfire...ily_record.html

So the two people who witnessed this with their very own eyes said " Wilmot called Mrs. Wilmot's attention to it and both ran down into the yard to watch. It was in sight less then a minute, perhaps 40 or 50 seconds, Wilmot estimated."

If this would be the case of a WEATHER BALLOON then can someone tell how is it possible for a ballon to fall at such high speeds...


Then there is this: was NOT a disc or saucer, but instead a weather balloon or weather device..

So if military had no clue about what were they saying or what did they find, but plainly it was categorized as a ballon, how in the hell could they even say that then?
I know i know...era of mass sightings, that is not acceptable in this case... If one first says it is something unknown that is just that...unknown. But very first day you change the story why? Because people think...at least in army at the time...they knew that if they had such a technology at hand, they could learn alot but if public knew there would always be pressure and media would surely want pictures and videos of such investigation and analysis.

"Reports are military officials toured news media offices in Roswell, Albuquerque, and Santa Fe retrieving original copies of the press release sent out the day before by RAAF that revealed the Army had a "flying disk" in their possession. A wire recording interview was also confiscated."

See...this just adds to the conclusion that something went down... and i bet it wasn't a ballon..



It is another conflict. Who do you believe?

Try this on for size.


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Until now, most debunkers doubted that there was even one crash. Now, in an exclusive interview, retired Air Force Lt. Col. Richard French told The Huffington Post that there were actually two crashes.
This revelation is especially remarkable considering that French was known in the past to debunk UFO stories.

"There were actually two crashes at Roswell, which most people don't know," French told HuffPost. "The first one was shot down by an experimental U.S. airplane that was flying out of White Sands, N.M., and it shot what was effectively an electronic pulse-type weapon that disabled and took away all the controls of the UFO, and that's why it crashed."



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I do not think the Wilmots saw a pulse weapon. Some claim it is a death ray. I think Bee ran with the pulse weapon. It is a pretty exciting tale, and I feel she has a penchant for technology.

The entire statement goes something like:

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Mr. and Mrs. Dan Wilmot apparently were the only persons in Roswell who saw what they thought was a flying disk. They were sitting on their porch at 105 South Penn. last Wednesday night at about ten o'clock when a large glowing object zoomed out of the sky from the southeast, going in a northwesterly direction at a high rate of speed. Wilmot called Mrs. Wilmot's attention to it and both ran down into the yard to watch. It was in sight less then a minute, perhaps 40 or 50 seconds, Wilmot estimated.
Wilmot said that it appeared to him to be about 1,500 feet high and going fast. He estimated between 400 and 500 miles per hour. In appearance it looked oval in shape like two inverted saucers, faced mouth to mouth, or like two old type washbowls placed, together in the same fashion. The entire body glowed as though light were showing through from inside, though not like it would inside, though not like it would be if a light were merely underneath.
From where he stood Wilmot said that the object looked to be about 5 feet in size, and making allowance for the distance it was from town he figured that it must have been 15 to 20 feet in diameter, though this was just a guess. Wilmot said that he heard no sound but that Mrs. Wilmot said she heard a swishing sound for a very short time. The object came into view from the southeast and disappeared over the treetops in the general vicinity of six mile hill.



Someone crossed the galaxy in a 15-20 foot spaceship? Good God. Now that is advanced technology! ;) Or perhaps a giant red flag. Some claimed a mothership, which never retrieved the craft, helped the craft, sent rescue missions for these poor aliens lying in the desert for days on end, nothing.

Here is an interesting read on the press release - LINK

I will leave you to make your own judgement on the information provided. I assume that wire recording interview claimed to be confiscated might well be the Sleppy claim:

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Lydia Sleppy: Claims she was operating a teletype machine announcing the recovery of the flying disk when her teletype suddenly went dead and broadcast an ominous message from the FBI back to her ordering her to stop broadcasting the story in the interests of national security.
Truth: A check by this author with all relevant FBI field offices and their headquarters turned up no evidence that the FBI sent any such message, nor did they have the monitoring equipment in place to do so. Furthermore, the type of teletype machine in use by Sleppy at the time would have required her to throw a “receiver” switch in order for her to receive an incoming transmission. There was no way that the FBI could have “interrupted” her as she claims.

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ETA Just noticed your sig. I like that.

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Edited by psyche101, 19 October 2012 - 08:14 AM.

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 11:37 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 19 October 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:



Here is an interesting read on the press release - LINK

I will leave you to make your own judgement on the information provided. I assume that wire recording interview claimed to be confiscated might well be the Sleppy claim:

Cheers.

Hey psyche

This site is very very flawed...

"to gain possession of a disc through the cooperation of one of the local rancher This statment is very false... he didn't cooperate he was forced to... and left with nothing, they said to him that he hasn't seen anything or else.. bad things might happen as i recall from a old documentary on the subject..

The flying object landed on a ranch near Roswell sometime last week Really it landed? I thought it crashed? Sorry this site is not credible in this case...read everything... i mean whoever made this didn't do a good job...

Ow like i wrote... i had main event in my mind the one with Marcel in charge, the most notuorius event ever.

Psyche? "an ominous message from the FBI back to her ordering her to stop broadcasting the story in the interests of national security." Because of a balloon? This even confirms my theory on why did they say it was a balloon in the first place, oh come on it is " Weird & fishy " written all over... They had it and they wanted it secure without whole world watching..

The funny thing is that this Marcel guy who led the investigation & recovery at start, 20 years later said it was something strange and it wasn't a balloon...
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 11:47 AM

Ow just like to add that military staff wasn't stupid.. they would know what is balloon and what isn't...Plus people wouldn't make all the fuzz if a balloon went down, but when locals said it was weird... just adds up to stack of inconsistencies that led to Ufophobia...
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