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#181    Penelopa

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 08:05 PM

View Postthe L, on 09 June 2011 - 10:15 AM, said:

It is good to speculate and give theories.
Again Science is self correcting.

Hi,
I am going to Gobekli Tepe the end of August and wandering if is open for tourist who are not travelling with a group?
Have someone been there recently?
Thank you!


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Posted 20 July 2011 - 09:57 PM

View PostPenelopa, on 20 July 2011 - 08:05 PM, said:

Hi,
I am going to Gobekli Tepe the end of August and wandering if is open for tourist who are not travelling with a group?
Have someone been there recently?
Thank you!
I have never been to Turkey so I dont realy knows about it. I doubt.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 10:06 PM

View Postthe L, on 20 July 2011 - 09:57 PM, said:

I have never been to Turkey so I dont realy knows about it. I doubt.


It will be my first visit there also.The plan is very interesting( i thing so)
1.3 days in Capadocia and visit around there the underground cities
2.2 days around Nemrut Dagi
3.2,3 days around Urfa0Gobekli Tepe and area
4.2,3 days around lake Van
5.2 days in Ani

It will be my first trip to Turkey but dont think that will be the last one.

Next year , I think to climb Ararat or maybe Kilimanjaro( still not sure)

Every day i am reading new things about Turkey and think it is amazing country for ancient mysteries. !
I think to send an email to the archaeologist who is working on Gobleki Tepe to be sure that will be able to visit the site .It is the most important stop of my trip there!
I will write when came back!


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Posted 21 July 2011 - 10:11 AM

View PostPenelopa, on 20 July 2011 - 10:06 PM, said:

It will be my first visit there also.The plan is very interesting( i thing so)
1.3 days in Capadocia and visit around there the underground cities
2.2 days around Nemrut Dagi
3.2,3 days around Urfa0Gobekli Tepe and area
4.2,3 days around lake Van
5.2 days in Ani

It will be my first trip to Turkey but dont think that will be the last one.

Next year , I think to climb Ararat or maybe Kilimanjaro( still not sure)

Every day i am reading new things about Turkey and think it is amazing country for ancient mysteries. !
I think to send an email to the archaeologist who is working on Gobleki Tepe to be sure that will be able to visit the site .It is the most important stop of my trip there!
I will write when came back!

You lucky  :devil: you.

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 06:58 PM



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Posted 05 August 2011 - 03:38 PM

View PostPenelopa, on 20 July 2011 - 10:06 PM, said:

It will be my first visit there also.The plan is very interesting( i thing so)
1.3 days in Capadocia and visit around there the underground cities
2.2 days around Nemrut Dagi
3.2,3 days around Urfa0Gobekli Tepe and area
4.2,3 days around lake Van
5.2 days in Ani

It will be my first trip to Turkey but dont think that will be the last one.

Next year , I think to climb Ararat or maybe Kilimanjaro( still not sure)

Every day i am reading new things about Turkey and think it is amazing country for ancient mysteries. !
I think to send an email to the archaeologist who is working on Gobleki Tepe to be sure that will be able to visit the site .It is the most important stop of my trip there!
I will write when came back!
Bring lots of picture go Gobeki please .. lucky you.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 05:20 PM

View PostParacelse, on 05 August 2011 - 03:38 PM, said:

Bring lots of picture go Gobeki please .. lucky you.
Mate, Im not sure she will ever come back.
She is gone for good.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 06:19 PM

View Postthe L, on 05 August 2011 - 05:20 PM, said:

Mate, Im not sure she will ever come back.
She is gone for good.
Bummer the one seen online are not good enough.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 09:08 PM

Looking at the pics of Gobekli, I am struck by the similarities to the ruins in Chaco Canyon,
New Mexico...

I know Gobekli is thousands of years older, and was built of megaliths rather than small
pieces of sandstone, but there seem to be similarities of architecture, and perhaps purpose...

Of course, the original purpose of both sites, is not known, but niether site exhibits much
in the way of signs of extensive habitation...
(Edit) Also, both sites were built using curved lines and circles, when straight lines would probably have been much easier to use...

Not trying to make any sort of connection between the two (obviously), just making an
observation...

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 09:11 PM

I thought that Chaco canon was trade and religious center. (?)
I read that there was found traces of trading with Mayas. Maybe Im wrong. Im sleepy now.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 10:30 PM

View Postthe L, on 05 August 2011 - 09:11 PM, said:

I thought that Chaco canon was trade and religious center. (?)
I read that there was found traces of trading with Mayas. Maybe Im wrong. Im sleepy now.


Yes there is evidence of trade, but also evidence that they only periodically went there,
possibly was also a religious center - but no one is sure...

My own personal belief is that it (Chaco) was sort of a "State Fair" location - a "World
Expo" so to speak... A nuetral place where all cultures and trade partners could come and
trade, mingle, worship, etc in relative peace...

It is interesting that the tribes in the area (Hopi, Mescalero, Navajo, etc) all claim
Chaco as the 'Origin of the World' - or at least their people... Sort of a Garden of Eden -
though some accord it as a place of absolute Evil...

Perhaps Gobekli was similar in usage...


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Posted 15 October 2011 - 07:35 AM

http://www.hurriyetd...tery-2011-10-13


...engaged in agriculture, processed leather, made sculptures and rock accessories and possessed a significant belief system.

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 12:45 PM

View PostTaun, on 05 August 2011 - 09:08 PM, said:

Looking at the pics of Gobekli, I am struck by the similarities to the ruins in Chaco Canyon,
New Mexico...

I know Gobekli is thousands of years older, and was built of megaliths rather than small
pieces of sandstone, but there seem to be similarities of architecture, and perhaps purpose...

Of course, the original purpose of both sites, is not known, but niether site exhibits much
in the way of signs of extensive habitation...
(Edit) Also, both sites were built using curved lines and circles, when straight lines would probably have been much easier to use...

Not trying to make any sort of connection between the two (obviously), just making an
observation...

That's funny: I do not see any resemblance at all.


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Posted 15 October 2011 - 02:44 PM

View PostTaun, on 05 August 2011 - 10:30 PM, said:

Yes there is evidence of trade, but also evidence that they only periodically went there,
possibly was also a religious center - but no one is sure...

My own personal belief is that it (Chaco) was sort of a "State Fair" location - a "World
Expo" so to speak... A nuetral place where all cultures and trade partners could come and
trade, mingle, worship, etc in relative peace...

It is interesting that the tribes in the area (Hopi, Mescalero, Navajo, etc) all claim
Chaco as the 'Origin of the World' - or at least their people... Sort of a Garden of Eden -
though some accord it as a place of absolute Evil...

Perhaps Gobekli was similar in usage...


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Look more into the early (very early) China cities/capitals, "Central/Middle Kingdom" or, the "source" a meaning not usually mentioned when translating "ChungKuo"
The character "chung" usally is translated too loosely, it means and applies much contrast to much more in the Chinese Language/dialects.
The silk road is now known to be used for far longer than the dates still in the academic sources, a re evaluation is currently going on. The silk road is 'known' to be used and was in existence though not in the current shape and form due to changes in the economic/early dynastic/warring climate of the ages.
It's new discoveries uncovering current speculations with greater information and knowledge of the times.
The old works very differently than the times we are used too, the world modern science inherited was in the early days dissected with very crude and in many cases ill informed and intentioned methods.
Marco Polo was the first to suffer under the bludgeons of modern 'common sense' he recanted his oath of truthfulness according to the common sense of the day.
When you read Marco's and a lot of the first true explorers of nations, the first nation walkers (apply your favorite list of Historians here, don't matter who) you must read it within the minds of the days, using that 'beginners' mind.
To us with an Asian background we read more with less and with greater familiarity.

My own opinion and believe is that people/humans/sapiens were in closer contact with each other for far longer than Modern Science can imagine, maybe even from the very first communal settlement in unrecorded history. Visits and contacts were just less frequent, and according to the signs of the seasons.
Being as isolated over vast expanses of time and distance, various distinctive cultures and languages would have evolved very early in human 'unrecorded' history, definitions of intelligence were different then and "modern" science demands too much of human 'intelligence'

One thing that usually confuses me is that, what if a "Temple Site A" was used for a long time then lost, left only in 'legends' then 'found' and 'revitalised' for a dawn of a new 'kingdom'
The site would be thoroughly 'cleaned' and 'cleansed' before being 'renovated' accordingly to the needs of the times.
What's left to be dated would not tell that part of the history.
Would it ?

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:34 AM

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