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#196    Babe Ruth

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 12:54 PM

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Just to clear the air here sir, we both understand and agree that you place no value on what I say, and I reciprocate.  :tu:


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:41 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 29 April 2014 - 12:54 PM, said:

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Just to clear the air here sir, we both understand and agree that you place no value on what I say, and I reciprocate.  :tu:

It's not about tit for tat. It's about demonstrable facts. Without resorting to "the government is hiding them" or some other null hypothesis, where are your demonstrable facts?


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 08:16 PM

It is not a null hypothesis to note that most governments, including the US, routinely suppress facts and prevaricate.  Those humans paying attention, cynical perhaps but observant, have known that for centuries.

In the case of this UFO business, Project Blue Book and all the other massive amounts of information and facts, it is clear to the curious and open-minded that government keeps stuff secret.  Your powers of observation may not be sufficient to allow you to understand that little factoid, but mine are, and I'm not alone in that regard.

Recognizing and understanding the government's record of deception is not a null hypothesis, it is based upon empirical evidence.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 10:24 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 29 April 2014 - 12:54 PM, said:

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Just to clear the air here sir, we both understand and agree that you place no value on what I say, and I reciprocate.  :tu:


Very defeatist of you BR. That you served for your country retains for me a modicum of respect for you, but you have given me no reason at all to consider your wild claims to be valid in any way whatsoever. In short, you fail when it comes to substantiating your claims, and in my opinion, if one cannot substantiate that which they claim - not as a belief, but fact - then one simply should not make it. I understand speculation, but you are quoting alleged hard facts from MSM sources and stating "it's the truth" and in the next breath damning MSM. Can you explain to me why anyone would see that as a valid stance? Or why I should not correct the erroneous information which you post with the best available explanations? All you have illustrated is extreme paranoia. I'd be impressed to see you explain your position any other way.


View PostBabe Ruth, on 29 April 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

It is not a null hypothesis to note that most governments, including the US, routinely suppress facts and prevaricate.  Those humans paying attention, cynical perhaps but observant, have known that for centuries.

Big news flash mate, that;s no secret, and if you cannot work out why Governments need to keep some secrets, I challenge your claim of having served. That is a necessary part of keeping freedom. I for one am happy I am not living in a Shariah community, and if secrets are required to keep that way of life, then I am more than happy to accept this part of life as it is. You cannot possibly be stupid enough to think that everything military can be transparent surely?

It is not particularly observant to take in the bleeding obvious. Paranoia changes the way you view the obvious, and you base it on incidents in the past that are indeed dubious, such as MKUltra, the dangerous usage of LSD in such a wanton fashion was indeed a sad chapter in history. But that's like saying all Germans are like Hitler.

View PostBabe Ruth, on 29 April 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

In the case of this UFO business, Project Blue Book and all the other massive amounts of information and facts, it is clear to the curious and open-minded that government keeps stuff secret.  

Rubbish, pretty much every Government in the world has released their UFO files, and they all corroborate, and they all know squat. What the US has released is very much in the same vein. What has been "hidden" is absolute nonsense, when we got to look inside the files, we found little gems like this hidden away:

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They opened the Roswell box, it had a RAWIN, people screamed "cover up!!" there is no pleasing the paranoid. You lot want an alien, and nothing else will do, whether it exists or not. The curious have looked into these files, you are NOT the curious, you're a lazy surfer looking for an easy answer. If you looked, you would see that your claims are wild and heavily exaggerated, not to mention, totally unsubstantiated, and reliant on your very own demon - MSM. That is the garbage you regurgitate, I have been watching this phenomena for 35 years, and I know MSM versions of these well repeated tales when I see them, and BR, that's ALL you regurgitate here - MSM. As I said, you have become that which you despise -  and feel free to impress me and prove me wrong at any time. Any examples of your "deep research" would do. I can come up with many ridiculous claims like your made up mathematicians from Gavrinis Island to show you do not investigate at all, but rely on MSM entirely. And I am more than happy to expose your sources.

Lets get it all on the table if you feel you have something more than MSM hey? What exactly can you bring to it?

I thought so.

View PostBabe Ruth, on 29 April 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

Your powers of observation may not be sufficient to allow you to understand that little factoid, but mine are, and I'm not alone in that regard.

Our powers of observation far surpass yours by way of that which you have presented with regards to evidences.  No you are not alone, there are other paranoid people who rely totally on MSM to feed that personal pet. Your so called factoid is not supported by example. It's more than obvious that it is all in your head. As I said, I blame Alex Jones for people like you, and that is why I think the man is scum. I feel it is taking advantage of a fellow human being.  

View PostBabe Ruth, on 29 April 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

Recognizing and understanding the government's record of deception is not a null hypothesis, it is based upon empirical evidence.

Thats is not the case you have presented, you have presented an appeal to authority. The Government has been voted in out and reformed dozens of times since the incidents you mention, as there has been nothing valid to complain about for some time, people like you started making things up to be worried about. I am guessing that is a part of human nature more prevalent in others than myself. I over-worry about my children, you over-worry about the Government, you should maybe get out a bit more.

View PostBabe Ruth, on 29 April 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

Peace.

And you too. I do not despise you, I think your misguided ways are the result of others taking advantage of you, I do not see you as a deliberate false source, but more a pawn. If you were deliberate, then I would have a very different opinion, and would not bother with explaining myself to you at all.

Edited by psyche101, 29 April 2014 - 10:24 PM.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 12:47 AM

"psyche101 " Its Im sure now not the 101, BR & Z are from the 420. ,360. Now If all that math gets anyones goat,Well Send a Dollar to Texas Tequilla Drinkers Club for the Answer`s ! :tu: justDONTEATUS

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 01:49 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 29 April 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

It is not a null hypothesis to note that most governments, including the US, routinely suppress facts and prevaricate.  Those humans paying attention, cynical perhaps but observant, have known that for centuries.

In the case of this UFO business, Project Blue Book and all the other massive amounts of information and facts, it is clear to the curious and open-minded that government keeps stuff secret.  Your powers of observation may not be sufficient to allow you to understand that little factoid, but mine are, and I'm not alone in that regard.

Recognizing and understanding the government's record of deception is not a null hypothesis, it is based upon empirical evidence.

Peace.

It is totally a null hypothesis.  You have no proof anything happened nor do you have proof anything was suppressed.   Yes, governments have secrets and sometimes even lie.  That does not mean you have a ready-made excuse every time your pet belief is not validated.  

Believers like to call themselves open minded but are typically only open to one hypothesis.  One hypothesis is not very open minded.

Edited by sinewave, 30 April 2014 - 01:52 AM.





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