Welcome to Britain, land of the rising scum..

[chemical-licker]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10...sing-scum-.html

Welcome to Britain, land of the rising scum.... We've cornered the market on welfare layabouts, drug addicts and feral gangs

The first time it properly dawned on me that the game was indeed up was about 20

years ago in Blackpool, where I was covering the Labour Party conference.

As I made my way from the Clifton Hotel, opposite the main pier, past Yates’s Wine Lodge towards the Winter Gardens, at approximately 9.30am, I had to step into the road to avoid a family walking four-abreast on the pavement in the direction of the sea front.

They were all breakfasting on fish and chips from polystyrene containers, washed down with what I seem to remember was Irn-Bru, in the case of the children, and Special Brew, for the parents.

The whole family — mum, dad, son, daughter — was dressed in matching turquoise shell-suits and imitation designer-label trainers. They all had earrings. Each wore a baseball cap.

The father’s cap was distinguished by a plastic dog turd stuck to the peak, beneath a logo which proclaimed: ‘S***head.’

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I can remember thinking to myself, as I watched them window-shopping at the pork butcher’s: ‘What chance have these kids got?’

The other thought which occurred to me was, given that the children were aged, at a guess, eight and six, and this was late September: why weren’t they at school?

More from Richard Littlejohn...

Now I know what some of you are thinking. Don’t rush to judgment, Rich. They could have been a blameless, sophisticated couple, who had taken their children out of their fee-paying convent school for the day to treat them to a field trip to study the varied marine life to be found in the Irish Sea off Blackpool, and had decided to dress down for the occasion.

Feeding them fish and chips for breakfast was simply a way of giving them an authentic working-class day-trip experience to broaden their horizons and drum home the message that not everyone starts the day with organic muesli from Waitrose.

The novelty baseball cap could have been an ironic, post-modern take on the nature of unbridled consumerism or a witty protest about societal stereotyping.

Then again, they could just have been scum.

You know what? I’ve just thought about it again. I’m going with scum. Sorry, but there’s no other word for it.

For all I know, those children could have grown up to become brain-surgeons.

My guess, though, is that they’re both living on benefits in some scruffy council garret, halfway up a burned-out tower block, surrounded by raggedy children who look pretty much like they used to on their jolly outing to Blackpool.

Only the fake designer labels have changed.

We’re now on to second- and third-generation scum, sustained by a patronising and non-judgmental welfare juggernaut. We’ve always had what sociologists prefer to call an underclass. But not on this scale and never so visible.

A quick glance at the news is all it takes to confirm the worst. In Haringey, North London, the child of a dysfunctional ‘family’ is tortured to death under the noses of social services. When the tragic Victoria Climbie died in similar circumstances on the same manor, we were assured it would never happen again. I wrote at the time that it could and it would. It has.

Tragic: Baby P was tortured to death

The £100,000-a-year, hatchet-faced harridan in charge of the social services washes her hands of the death, refuses to resign and boasts of providing a ‘three star’ service,

backed by pie charts, graphs and a perfect paper trail of criminal incompetence and wilful neglect.

Somewhere out there, there’s a baseball cap with her name on it.

Frankly, I can’t bring myself to read the details of this horrific case, other than to note that the father was an SS freak and the mother spent all day in pornographic chat rooms on the internet, when she wasn’t smoking in the street. What did they do for money? What do you think?

In Yorkshire, a ghastly-looking woman and her gormless boyfriend’s uncle are on trial for abducting her daughter and attempting to extract a reward for her safe return. They

look as if they have stepped straight out of Little Britain, in which Matt Lucas and David Walliams’s Burberried chavs captured perfectly the gruesome reality of so much of our modern landscape.

Captive: Shannon Matthews' mother is on trial for kidnap and false imprisonment

This week, a court heard of the conditions imposed on poor Shannon Matthews while she was in captivity. She was allowed to watch TV and play computer games provided she didn’t look out of the window. Sounds pretty much like her everyday life — and that of thousands of children her age, I would imagine.

The Guardianistas railed against Little Britain’s portrait of the underclass, accusing it of cruelty and making fun of a ‘vulnerable’ section of society. The truth is, the Leftist bien pensants have built a land fit for Vicky Pollards.

This was life imitating comedy. In Little Britain, Vicky Pollard swapped her baby for a Westlife CD.

Meanwhile, in Manchester, a three-year-old child and a three-month-old toddler are stabbed to death allegedly by their mother.

Outside the house, neighbours are interviewed by TV reporters. Not so long ago, they’d have looked like Les Dawson and Peter Butterworth’s doughty Northern battle-axes.

Of the two women I saw, one was wearing a grey hoodie and the other had her hair pulled back in a Croydon facelift, a stud through her nose and so many earrings in her left lobe it looked like a curtain rail. Both appeared old beyond their years, a legacy no doubt of cheap cigarettes and super-strength lager.

In Hackney, East London, a teenage girl is gang-raped for not showing sufficient ‘respect’ to a local yobbo. It barely makes the newspapers.

Britain seems to have cornered the market in welfare layabouts, drug addicts, feral gangs of obese children and hideous, drunken scrubbers, littering the gutters of even our more genteel suburbs.

The women are the worst of the lot, giving birth to a procession of bay-bees by different, transient fathers and expecting — nay, being encouraged by — the state to pay for their upbringing.

The Government’s preferred solution is to keep on throwing money at the problem, hiring legions of social workers and ‘parenting skills advisers’ to keep the scum in check, while importing hundreds of thousands of immigrants to do the jobs our indigenous idle are paid not to do.

It doesn’t work and things aren’t going to get any better. It’s at least 20 years too late.

The game’s up.

What next? Polly puts the jackboots on?

Hatred makes strange bedfellows. Earlier this week, the Editor of the Daily Mail gave a speech condemning the way in which judges are bringing in a privacy law by stealth.

He cited in particular the ludicrous privacy case brought by Formula One boss Max Mosley, who was turned over by the News of the Screws for his kinky sex sessions with prostitutes dressed up as German soldiers.

This was enough to get Pole Dance Polly foaming at the mouth, consumed as she is with fear and loathing for the Mail and all its works.

Polly Toynbee: Splendidly barking and rabid

In a splendidly barking and rabid piece in the Guardian — which inter alia accused the Daily Mail of being responsible for giving children measles — Toynbee found herself not only attacking press freedom, but siding with the son of a well-known fascist notorious for exploiting women for his own sexual gratification.

You couldn’t make it up.

Maybe Max should give Polly a call. She’d make a marvellous stormtrooper.

Achtung!

Qatada's a terrorist, get him out of there

Huh?: Radical cleric Abu Qatada is accused of plotting to flee the country

This week’s edition of Am I Missing Something? concerns preacher of hate Abu Qatada, said to be Osama bin Laden’s European ambassador.

For some time, he has been living on benefits in a North London council house, after being released from prison under the yuman rites act.

The courts have also stopped us deporting him to Jordan, where he is wanted on terrorism charges.

So why on earth was he rearrested this week when he tried to leg it to Lebanon?

Surely it would have made more sense to buy him a one-way ticket.

Don't let facts spoil a smear

During the U.S. election, the BBC was especially condescending towards Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

One of the more ridiculous smears given currency was that Palin wasn’t aware that Africa was a continent, not a country. It fitted perfectly with the perception of Palin as a thick hick.

Now it turns out that the credit for the allegation has been claimed by a pair of American internet hoaxers, posing as a Republican strategist.

One of them, Dan Mirvish, was interviewed on the Today programme by a clearly disappointed Sarah Montague.

At one stage, she blurted out that even if it had been made up, it didn’t mean it wasn’t true.

We’re still none the wiser, but why let the facts get in the way of a good story?

SPOT ON RICHARD LITTLEJOHN

[danielost]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10...sing-scum-.html

Welcome to Britain, land of the rising scum.... We've cornered the market on welfare layabouts, drug addicts and feral gangs

The first time it properly dawned on me that the game was indeed up was about 20

years ago in Blackpool, where I was covering the Labour Party conference.

As I made my way from the Clifton Hotel, opposite the main pier, past Yates’s Wine Lodge towards the Winter Gardens, at approximately 9.30am, I had to step into the road to avoid a family walking four-abreast on the pavement in the direction of the sea front.

They were all breakfasting on fish and chips from polystyrene containers, washed down with what I seem to remember was Irn-Bru, in the case of the children, and Special Brew, for the parents.

The whole family — mum, dad, son, daughter — was dressed in matching turquoise shell-suits and imitation designer-label trainers. They all had earrings. Each wore a baseball cap.

The father’s cap was distinguished by a plastic dog turd stuck to the peak, beneath a logo which proclaimed: ‘S***head.’

Scroll down for more

I can remember thinking to myself, as I watched them window-shopping at the pork butcher’s: ‘What chance have these kids got?’

The other thought which occurred to me was, given that the children were aged, at a guess, eight and six, and this was late September: why weren’t they at school?

More from Richard Littlejohn...

Now I know what some of you are thinking. Don’t rush to judgment, Rich. They could have been a blameless, sophisticated couple, who had taken their children out of their fee-paying convent school for the day to treat them to a field trip to study the varied marine life to be found in the Irish Sea off Blackpool, and had decided to dress down for the occasion.

Feeding them fish and chips for breakfast was simply a way of giving them an authentic working-class day-trip experience to broaden their horizons and drum home the message that not everyone starts the day with organic muesli from Waitrose.

Then again, they could just have been scum.

You know what? I’ve just thought about it again. I’m going with scum. Sorry, but there’s no other word for it.

For all I know, those children could have grown up to become brain-surgeons.

My guess, though, is that they’re both living on benefits in some scruffy council garret, halfway up a burned-out tower block, surrounded by raggedy children who look pretty much like they used to on their jolly outing to Blackpool.

Only the fake designer labels have changed.

We’re now on to second- and third-generation scum, sustained by a patronising and non-judgmental welfare juggernaut. We’ve always had what sociologists prefer to call an underclass. But not on this scale and never so visible.

A quick glance at the news is all it takes to confirm the worst. In Haringey, North London, the child of a dysfunctional ‘family’ is tortured to death under the noses of social services. When the tragic Victoria Climbie died in similar circumstances on the same manor, we were assured it would never happen again. I wrote at the time that it could and it would. It has.

Tragic: Baby P was tortured to death

The £100,000-a-year, hatchet-faced harridan in charge of the social services washes her hands of the death, refuses to resign and boasts of providing a ‘three star’ service,

backed by pie charts, graphs and a perfect paper trail of criminal incompetence and wilful neglect.

Somewhere out there, there’s a baseball cap with her name on it.

Frankly, I can’t bring myself to read the details of this horrific case, other than to note that the father was an SS freak and the mother spent all day in pornographic chat rooms on the internet, when she wasn’t smoking in the street. What did they do for money? What do you think?

In Yorkshire, a ghastly-looking woman and her gormless boyfriend’s uncle are on trial for abducting her daughter and attempting to extract a reward for her safe return. They

look as if they have stepped straight out of Little Britain, in which Matt Lucas and David Walliams’s Burberried chavs captured perfectly the gruesome reality of so much of our modern landscape.

Captive: Shannon Matthews' mother is on trial for kidnap and false imprisonment

This week, a court heard of the conditions imposed on poor Shannon Matthews while she was in captivity. She was allowed to watch TV and play computer games provided she didn’t look out of the window. Sounds pretty much like her everyday life — and that of thousands of children her age, I would imagine.

The Guardianistas railed against Little Britain’s portrait of the underclass, accusing it of cruelty and making fun of a ‘vulnerable’ section of society. The truth is, the Leftist bien pensants have built a land fit for Vicky Pollards.

This was life imitating comedy. In Little Britain, Vicky Pollard swapped her baby for a Westlife CD.

Meanwhile, in Manchester, a three-year-old child and a three-month-old toddler are stabbed to death allegedly by their mother.

Outside the house, neighbours are interviewed by TV reporters. Not so long ago, they’d have looked like Les Dawson and Peter Butterworth’s doughty Northern battle-axes.

Of the two women I saw, one was wearing a grey hoodie and the other had her hair pulled back in a Croydon facelift, a stud through her nose and so many earrings in her left lobe it looked like a curtain rail. Both appeared old beyond their years, a legacy no doubt of cheap cigarettes and super-strength lager.

In Hackney, East London, a teenage girl is gang-raped for not showing sufficient ‘respect’ to a local yobbo. It barely makes the newspapers.

Britain seems to have cornered the market in welfare layabouts, drug addicts, feral gangs of obese children and hideous, drunken scrubbers, littering the gutters of even our more genteel suburbs.

The women are the worst of the lot, giving birth to a procession of bay-bees by different, transient fathers and expecting — nay, being encouraged by — the state to pay for their upbringing.

The Government’s preferred solution is to keep on throwing money at the problem, hiring legions of social workers and ‘parenting skills advisers’ to keep the scum in check, while importing hundreds of thousands of immigrants to do the jobs our indigenous idle are paid not to do.

It doesn’t work and things aren’t going to get any better. It’s at least 20 years too late.

The game’s up.

What next? Polly puts the jackboots on?

Hatred makes strange bedfellows. Earlier this week, the Editor of the Daily Mail gave a speech condemning the way in which judges are bringing in a privacy law by stealth.

He cited in particular the ludicrous privacy case brought by Formula One boss Max Mosley, who was turned over by the News of the Screws for his kinky sex sessions with prostitutes dressed up as German soldiers.

This was enough to get Pole Dance Polly foaming at the mouth, consumed as she is with fear and loathing for the Mail and all its works.

Polly Toynbee: Splendidly barking and rabid

In a splendidly barking and rabid piece in the Guardian — which inter alia accused the Daily Mail of being responsible for giving children measles — Toynbee found herself not only attacking press freedom, but siding with the son of a well-known fascist notorious for exploiting women for his own sexual gratification.

You couldn’t make it up.

Maybe Max should give Polly a call. She’d make a marvellous stormtrooper.

Achtung!

Qatada's a terrorist, get him out of there

Huh?: Radical cleric Abu Qatada is accused of plotting to flee the country

This week’s edition of Am I Missing Something? concerns preacher of hate Abu Qatada, said to be Osama bin Laden’s European ambassador.

For some time, he has been living on benefits in a North London council house, after being released from prison under the yuman rites act.

The courts have also stopped us deporting him to Jordan, where he is wanted on terrorism charges.

So why on earth was he rearrested this week when he tried to leg it to Lebanon?

Surely it would have made more sense to buy him a one-way ticket.

Don't let facts spoil a smear

During the U.S. election, the BBC was especially condescending towards Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

One of the more ridiculous smears given currency was that Palin wasn’t aware that Africa was a continent, not a country. It fitted perfectly with the perception of Palin as a thick hick.

Now it turns out that the credit for the allegation has been claimed by a pair of American internet hoaxers, posing as a Republican strategist.

One of them, Dan Mirvish, was interviewed on the Today programme by a clearly disappointed Sarah Montague.

At one stage, she blurted out that even if it had been made up, it didn’t mean it wasn’t true.

We’re still none the wiser, but why let the facts get in the way of a good story?

SPOT ON RICHARD LITTLEJOHN

But we need another welfare state.(The United States)

Edited November 14, 2008 by danielost

[itsnotoutthere]

Brilliant, says everything i've thought a thousand times.

[itsnotoutthere]

Just seen this story from the same edition, which seems to back up the theme.

The five-a-day dunces: One in ten parents thinks Jaffa Cakes, chips and cola count as your fruit and veg

Perhaps it's the orangey bit in the middle which fools them.

For although most of us wouldn't consider a Jaffa Cake a particularly healthy snack, one in ten parents apparently thinks they pass as fruit.

And according to a survey into family eating habits, Jaffa Cakes aren't the only food to cause confusion.

Cola, chips, spaghetti hoops and orange squash are also mistakenly thought to count towards a child's intake of fruit and vegetables, researchers found.

Overall, only one in five families ensures their children eat the recommended five portions a day. And one in 20 children have diets totally free of fruit and veg, according to the poll.

Full story :- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-...-fruit-veg.html

[stevewinn]

The Benefits system needs reforming. It should only be there for the needy and vulnerable in society, but the reality is, we have families making it a life style choice, and Children are growing up in a household where both parents have never worked. they have no ambition to better their lives or the lives of their children. but most of all they have no respect for themselves and them around them. so its no wonder we have problems.

I'd love the benefits system to be totally reformed.

[acidhead]

-the author of the self deserving article(s), whatever it was, made his point.

Compassion and the world http://dalailama.com/page.166.htm

In conclusion, I would like briefly to expand my thoughts beyond the topic of this short piece and make a wider point: individual happiness can contribute in a profound and effective way to the overall improvement of our entire human community.

Because we all share an identical need for love, it is possible to feel that anybody we meet, in whatever circumstances, is a brother or sister. No matter how new the face or how different the dress and behavior, there is no significant division between us and other people. It is foolish to dwell on external differences, because our basic natures are the same.

Ultimately, humanity is one and this small planet is our only home, If we are to protect this home of ours, each of us needs to experience a vivid sense of universal altruism. It is only this feeling that can remove the self-centered motives that cause people to deceive and misuse one another.

If you have a sincere and open heart, you naturally feel self- worth and confidence, and there is no need to be fearful of others.

I believe that at every level of society - familial, tribal, national and international - the key to a happier and more successful world is the growth of compassion. We do not need to become religious, nor do we need to believe in an ideology. All that is necessary is for each of us to develop our good human qualities.

I try to treat whoever I meet as an old friend. This gives me a genuine feeling of happiness. It is the practice of compassion.

[acidhead]

The Benefits system needs reforming. It should only be there for the needy and vulnerable in society, but the reality is, we have families making it a life style choice, and Children are growing up in a household where both parents have never worked. they have no ambition to better their lives or the lives of their children. but most of all they have no respect for themselves and them around them. so its no wonder we have problems.

I'd love the benefits system to be totally reformed.

-be careful what one wishes.. especially when its a social problem

[Bill Hill]

-the author of the self deserving article(s), whatever it was, made his point.

Compassion and the world http://dalailama.com/page.166.htm

In conclusion, I would like briefly to expand my thoughts beyond the topic of this short piece and make a wider point: individual happiness can contribute in a profound and effective way to the overall improvement of our entire human community.

Ah yes, the Dalai "Don't believe in riches, but you should see where I live" Lama.

[Wyvernkeeper]

Seriously.... Whilst the author may make the odd decent point, this is the Daily Mail people!!!! For the benefit of the non UK residents here, the daily-mail is probably the most bigoted and prejudiced tabloid in the country.... Littlejohn is well known for stirring controversy and the paper regularly publishes inflammatory arguments because many people in the UK feel happiest when they feel angry.

The daily mail intends to stir up the same emotions as Orwells 2 minutes hate...... It has an agenda and should be trusted even less than Fox news

Edited November 14, 2008 by Wyvernkeeper

[acidhead]

Ah yes, the Dalai "Don't believe in riches, but you should see where I live" Lama.

"If you have a sincere and open heart, you naturally feel self- worth and confidence, and there is no need to be fearful of others."

[Mattshark]

Seriously.... Whilst the author may make the odd decent point, this is the Daily Mail people!!!! For the benefit of the non UK residents here, the daily-mail is probably the most bigoted and prejudiced tabloid in the country.... Littlejohn is well known for stirring controversy and the paper regularly publishes inflammatory arguments because many people in the UK feel happiest when they feel angry.

The daily mail intends to stir up the same emotions as Orwells 2 minutes hate...... It has an agenda and should be trusted even less than Fox news

Well said.

[Wyvernkeeper]

Do you see my point Matt? Whilst he may be saying things that are techincally true, the purpose of the article is not to inform the reader or inspire them to do anything about it... Instead the article aims to generate anger and resentment in the media.... The Mail is an almanac of distractions!

[acidhead]

Do you see my point Matt? Whilst he may be saying things that are techincally true, the purpose of the article is not to inform the reader or inspire them to do anything about it... Instead the article aims to generate anger and resentment in the media.... The Mail is an almanac of distractions!

-the author presents himself like he is different than the young family.. how i ask is he different?

..he's not!

..the author is foolish to believe that he is any different from the folk he labels a scum.

-but whatever earns one a self deserving paycheck and places wine and cheese on the table.

[stevewinn]

Seriously.... Whilst the author may make the odd decent point, this is the Daily Mail people!!!! For the benefit of the non UK residents here, the daily-mail is probably the most bigoted and prejudiced tabloid in the country.... Littlejohn is well known for stirring controversy and the paper regularly publishes inflammatory arguments because many people in the UK feel happiest when they feel angry.

The daily mail intends to stir up the same emotions as Orwells 2 minutes hate...... It has an agenda and should be trusted even less than Fox news

It doesn't matter if Littlejohn or anyone else wrote this piece in the mail, the dead seas scrolls or on a bog roll. the truth is he's spot on. the benefit culture is rife and out of control. people are taking the p***.

part one.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=i210q-VtT2I

part two

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aooU-8bWHzg&...feature=related

part three

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dzxDHicMk38&...feature=related

[Mattshark]

It doesn't matter if Littlejohn or anyone else wrote this piece in the mail, the dead seas scrolls or on a bog roll. the truth is he's spot on. the benefit culture is rife and out of control. people are taking the p***.

part one.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=i210q-VtT2I

part two

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aooU-8bWHzg&...feature=related

part three

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dzxDHicMk38&...feature=related

No it is over the top scaremongering and represents a just a tiny minority of the country not the majority.

And Anne Widdercombe is more insane than Littlejohn.

[AzTide]

Seriously.... Whilst the author may make the odd decent point, this is the Daily Mail people!!!! For the benefit of the non UK residents here, the daily-mail is probably the most bigoted and prejudiced tabloid in the country.... Littlejohn is well known for stirring controversy and the paper regularly publishes inflammatory arguments because many people in the UK feel happiest when they feel angry.

The daily mail intends to stir up the same emotions as Orwells 2 minutes hate...... It has an agenda and should be trusted even less than Fox news

Fox news is not a bad thing. I watch both CNN and Fox and find far more debate and eye opening stories than I do on CNN.

[AzTide]

No it is over the top scaremongering and represents a just a tiny minority of the country not the majority.

And Anne Widdercombe is more insane than Littlejohn.

After going to the links Stevewinn put up it sounds like your defending the wrong side. Unless you have some proof like Stevewinn listed.

[Mattshark]

After going to the links Stevewinn put up it sounds like your defending the wrong side. Unless you have some proof like Stevewinn listed.

That is not proof, that is a youtube video. See the difference?

[stevewinn]

After going to the links Stevewinn put up it sounds like your defending the wrong side. Unless you have some proof like Stevewinn listed.

I have a feeling people wont watch it all the way through. all three parts, and will make a judgement. The programme was originally broadcast on prime time tv here in the UK. People seem to want to turn a blind eye and not acknowledge the problem, 24 million people work in the UK. all paying taxes, while we have 2 million Unemployed [job seeking allowance], 2 million on incapacity benefit. plus 3 million on other benefits,. currently benefit payments cost the UK twice that of the NHS. says a lot. unbelievable. i think the current cost of the NHS is 90 Billion. If people cant see there is a problem then we might as well give up now and all go to bed.

Britain on the sick (some people outside the UK might not be able to watch the video)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/7399038.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_74...s=1&bbcws=1

[Wyvernkeeper]

Fox news is not a bad thing. I watch both CNN and Fox and find far more debate and eye opening stories than I do on CNN.

Yes, I agree its better to get a wider range of sources but I was referring to the fact that FN has been called once or twice in the past on its tendency to push fear and emphasise the more sensationalist elements of a story.

That is not proof, that is a youtube video. See the difference?

Absolutely!

[stevewinn]

Yes, I agree its better to get a wider range of sources but I was referring to the fact that FN has been called once or twice in the past on its tendency to push fear and emphasise the more sensationalist elements of a story.

Absolutely!

Your one of the people who just glaze over the problems. The reason I provided a link to you tube is because all members of the forum can view youtube video. i would have provided a ITV OR BBC link but people outside the UK cant access it. i.e. BBC.co.uk. so lesson learnt there for ya.

3 million people of working age who are able to work are not working and 1.5 million are long term unemployed. 5 years or more. if you think having three million of your working population out of work is not a problem and is just fear or scaremongering then its a waste of time replying to your posts.

[AzTide]

Your one of the people who just glaze over the problems. The reason I provided a link to you tube is because all members of the forum can view youtube video. i would have provided a ITV OR BBC link but people outside the UK cant access it. i.e. BBC.co.uk. so lesson learnt there for ya.

3 million people of working age who are able to work are not working and 1.5 million are long term unemployed. 5 years or more. if you think having three million of your working population out of work is not a problem and is just fear or scaremongering then its a waste of time replying to your posts.

You do realize you are debating using the FACTS and not just an opinion of someone....

It’s easier for someone to disagree then to offer something up to prove a point.

[AzTide]

That is not proof, that is a youtube video. See the difference?

So everything on YouTube is false or fixed? Allot of people list it as a reference....

And if you'd watch the links I'll debate the legitimacy of the YouTube story with you.

[atom286]

What is wrong with Iron Bru?

Only joking. Blackpool sounds like the rest of the UK.

[AzTide]

Yes, I agree its better to get a wider range of sources but I was referring to the fact that FN has been called once or twice in the past on its tendency to push fear and emphasise the more sensationalist elements of a story.

Absolutely!

I hate to break this to you but ALL news outlets push fear and emphasis sensationalism from the writing over the story, camera placement, editing items out of stories, not having qualified experts, etc.