Massacre of the Jews

[Eldorado]

I never knew of this until today, can't remember hearing of this in school history.

Just thought I'd share it, seeing as it's March 16th.

"The site of Clifford's Tower, the keep of York's medieval castle, still bears witness to the most horrifying event in the history of English Jewry. On the night of 16 March 1190, the feast of Shabbat ha-Gadol, the small Jewish community of York was gathered together for protection inside the tower. Rather than perish at the hands of the violent mob that awaited them outside, many of the Jews took their own lives; others died in the flames they had lit, and those who finally surrendered were massacred and murdered.

Understandably, this appalling event has become the most notorious example of antisemitism in medieval England. Yet, it was by no means an isolated incident, but rather the culmination of a tide of violent feeling which swept the country in the early part of 1190."

More info at source...

http://ddickerson.igc.org/cliffords-tower.html

[The Sweater Song]

Anti-semitism exists, and will persist.

All people are the architect of their own misfortune.

[Eldorado]

Anti-semitism exists, and will persist.

All people are the architect of their own misfortune.

So it's your own fault if you find yourself discriminated against?

Hmm.

[The Sweater Song]

So it's your own fault if you find yourself discriminated against?

Hmm.

I think the jews need to ask themselves the question: Why is it that every time they end up as pitiful refugees in a country, after a few years, they have to move on ?

[jaguarsky]

I think the jews need to ask themselves the question: Why is it that every time they end up as pitiful refugees in a country, after a few years, they have to move on ?

Well, maybe its because, even as we see today, any smaller group with different looks, religion or ethnic traditions make a handy scapegoat. Those who wish to consolodate thier power will always insight the masses to hate those who are "other" in order to turn inquirey from themselves. Same old, same old.

[Erikl]

I think the jews need to ask themselves the question: Why is it that every time they end up as pitiful refugees in a country, after a few years, they have to move on ?

This is why we finally have a state of our own.... wait no now they hate us for having that :-/

[dekker87]

I think the jews need to ask themselves the question: Why is it that every time they end up as pitiful refugees in a country, after a few years, they have to move on ?

the most moronic comment i've seen on here.

the jews of eastern europe were not refugees....the area they lived in transversed several states and as a consequence they were seen as a threat by everyone...

factor in christian attitude towards jews ('they killed christ')...along with their prevelance with the banking industry (never popular regardless of the religion of the bankers) for which there are anti-semitic reason and you get a more balanced picture than the bile you've spouted there.

[ships-cat]

Its worth pointing out that these sorts of pogroms where NOT unique to the Jews. At various stages African's where expelled, on pain of death, along with Catholics, Protestants, Spaniards, Muslims, (especially African muslims from Spain), Hugenots, and gawd knows who else.

According to rumour, Henry II accidentally banished himself in a clerical error, and had to subsequently throw himself on his own mercy to get the order annulled. (it was a close run thing ... he was in an unforgiving mood that day, apparently).

So implying that there must be something wrong with the Jews because they are occasionally the victim of mad pogroms is somewhat misguided.

meow purr

[dekker87]

Its worth pointing out that these sorts of pogroms where NOT unique to the Jews. At various stages African's where expelled, on pain of death, along with Catholics, Protestants, Spaniards, Muslims, (especially African muslims from Spain), Hugenots, and gawd knows who else.

According to rumour, Henry II accidentally banished himself in a clerical error, and had to subsequently throw himself on his own mercy to get the order annulled. (it was a close run thing ... he was in an unforgiving mood that day, apparently).

So implying that there must be something wrong with the Jews because they are occasionally the victim of mad pogroms is somewhat misguided.

meow purr

in all fairness though catholics, muslims, spaniards and hugenots deserved it.

obviously i'm being flippant but there is a grain of truth there...

[The Sweater Song]

They dont ask themselves what they can do to change the way they are disliked.

[dekker87]

They dont ask themselves what they can do to change the way they are disliked.

why should they? they aren't doin anything wrong.

[The Sweater Song]

in all fairness though catholics, muslims, spaniards and hugenots deserved it.

obviously i'm being flippant but there is a grain of truth there...

why should they? they aren't doin anything wrong.

[dekker87]

your point is what?

[Habitat]

your point is what?

Sweater Song doesn't like Jews, apparently. Maybe one said something nasty to him in the schoolyard. History is strewn with genocidal episodes, most don't involve Jews. If there is anything that bugs me about the reportage of the "Holocaust", it is the implied message that this was an event unparalelled in history. It it were, we might dismiss it as an aberration. Wholesale killing like the Armenian genocide of 1915, the Rwanda horrors, The Belgians in the Congo, you could lay out hundreds of examples over the centuries. Here in Australia we have the tragic destruction of the Tasmanian aborigines, no full blooded individuals survived the onslaught of white settlement.

[danielost]

I think the jews need to ask themselves the question: Why is it that every time they end up as pitiful refugees in a country, after a few years, they have to move on ?

because it isnt their home, the holy land is.

[Doctor_Strangelove]

in all fairness though catholics, muslims, spaniards and hugenots deserved it.

obviously i'm being flippant but there is a grain of truth there...

Of course they deserved it, because they aren't Jews. Amirite?

because it isnt their home, the holy land is.

Know who else's home was the holy land? Palestinians.

[ships-cat]

They dont ask themselves what they can do to change the way they are disliked.

<sigh>

I'm afraid your argument has encountered snags, and is unravelling, Sweater Song.

The "Jews" (depending on how you define them) became a diaspora race when they rebelled against Roman rule. They where scattered around the globe. (or the disc, as it was then imagined).

But here is my contention. Indeed, this is my challenge to Sweater:

I would tentatively propose that:

"Out of all the diaspora races, the Jews have not been picked on more than any other diaspora race in proportion to their representation of the population, matrixed against their success in that population"

The only exceptions to this rule are those nations enslaved under Islam (e.g. in which Islam is enshrined in the functions of governance and law), and Germany under the brief rule of National Socialism (e.g. the Nazi party)... both groups of which hold fascism as a common factor.

Are you going to respond to this, Sweater Song ?

Edited March 23, 2011 by ships-cat