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Hawking: 'Big Bang did not need God'


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#1    Saru

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:55 AM

Stephen Hawking spoke about the formation of the cosmos to a packed house at Caltech on Tuesday.

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After giving a brief historical background on relativistic physics and cosmology, Hawking discussed the idea of a repeating Big Bang. He noted that in the 1980s, he and physicist Roger Penrose proved the universe could not “bounce” when it contracted, as had been theorized.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:05 AM

Big Bang theory has about as much evidence of existence as God.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:01 PM

Nothing in the universe is infinite, neither the universe itself nor the matter that it is made from. Where then did the matter come from that exploded, (the big bang), to form the universe? Even if you postulate that there were previous universes that collapsed in on themselves and exploded into new universes there still had to be universe number one - how did that one come to be? Science can't answer that question but religion can. God is the only explanation that makes sense.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:10 PM

How does God make sense in any way shape or form? Your argument is ridiculous, its the same one as for the big bang theory, who or what made God?


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:17 PM

View PostMrSerendipity, on 18 April 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

Nothing in the universe is infinite, neither the universe itself nor the matter that it is made from. Where then did the matter come from that exploded, (the big bang), to form the universe? Even if you postulate that there were previous universes that collapsed in on themselves and exploded into new universes there still had to be universe number one - how did that one come to be? Science can't answer that question but religion can. God is the only explanation that makes sense.

"God did it" is not an answer, and when you misunderstand the subject as much as you do above, of course "God did it" makes more sense.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:41 PM

View PostMrSerendipity, on 18 April 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

Nothing in the universe is infinite, neither the universe itself nor the matter that it is made from. Where then did the matter come from that exploded, (the big bang), to form the universe? Even if you postulate that there were previous universes that collapsed in on themselves and exploded into new universes there still had to be universe number one - how did that one come to be? Science can't answer that question but religion can. God is the only explanation that makes sense.

Personally, am on the fence when it comes to God (though am a firm believer in the afterlife) but you are right, science can't answer that question. So they guess and people take it as gospel. When religion makes its best guess, it's treated as pulling something out of thin air.

Science and religion are, ironically, quite similar in the way they operate and try to answer questions about the world we live in.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:42 PM

Such theories do not meet the principles of Scientific proof. Its just guessing no matter how many times, or how many people repeat it. You take math, create formulas, then insist those math formulas "prove" something?


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:47 PM

I don't think any of you people have even bothered to find out what evidence for the big bang there might be.  It is now one of the better established facts of cosmology, successfully predicting dozens of features of the universe, and some blowhard says there is no evidence.  What rank arrogance!


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 01:02 PM

Since when has Stephen Hawking become the god of 'all knowing'? Why do we gasp & listen to a mere human like us that appears to have superior knowledge over all? Of course we all know that he has been suffering a debilitating disease for many years & is still a survivor,but also,he has made statements before, supporting God,& much later,taking it back.It also demonstrates his mental faculties could be in somewhat of a disarray,sorry to say.The ability to study & explore physics in depth does not make the individual a superior thinker. Just like in world politics & some religious cults,the followers are blinded by a player playing a game that makes his thoughts appear above & superior,governing the sensibilities & logic of the numbers. It's his theories,like many others.Explore your own theoretical evaluations.Think for yourself about the whole big picture.Make your own theoretical thoughts about life,it's beginning,God,the universe etc.Discuss it with your friends & see what they think.It would be so entertaining to hear what everyone else thinks & theorizes about.In the end,it's all theory.In all,none of us has the ability to prove it in all practicality.We also were not there!Only God was.Think about the emptiness & nothingness before the theorized big bang..Daunting isn't it?! But,all this is in regards to a material physical existence.The material creation of atoms,molecules & a physical realm.So,before the theorized big bang,was only what we would & could have theorized as a spiritual realm. Different dimensions that we also have yet to explore & study.And how do we do that?Only God knows.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 01:06 PM

Dare I suggest ... where probabilities near the infinite, therein you find the miraculous, God. Might we describe God as The mathematician. And, we should not forget, we also have Stephen Hawking the man. An individual who has had to cope with the enormous burden of ALS for over fifty years. The probability of survival with ALS beyond even ten years is but a few percent. Is he not a witness to the miraculous.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 01:26 PM

Hawking has good support, excellent doctors and no doubt a strong will.  Hawking is not the issue, however.  He made the point that the big bang happened and that it didn't need God.  He is correct, and there is abundant evidence for anyone who is willing to look.  I did a quick Google search on "evidence for the big bang" and found plenty of sites that explain it all, not just what happened but how we know that is what happened.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 01:33 PM

The laws of physics just magically coalesced and wrote themselves into existence soon after the big bang I guess.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 01:43 PM

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View PostMrSerendipity, on 18 April 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

Nothing in the universe is infinite, neither the universe itself nor the matter that it is made from. Where then did the matter come from that exploded, (the big bang), to form the universe? Even if you postulate that there were previous universes that collapsed in on themselves and exploded into new universes there still had to be universe number one - how did that one come to be? Science can't answer that question but religion can. God is the only explanation that makes sense.
God is a sound people make when they're too tired to think anymore. - Edward Abbey


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 01:51 PM

View PostGirlfromOz, on 18 April 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

Since when has Stephen Hawking become the god of 'all knowing'?
He never has, he is a scientist.

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Why do we gasp & listen to a mere human like us that appears to have superior knowledge over all?
I wonder the same thing after see people rushing to defend archaic deities dreamt up by primitive humans.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 02:29 PM

Leave it to Hawking to spark a fn Creationism vs Evolution arguement on the internet. I wonder how many more website-riot's he has turned loose on the interwebs,jeez.





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