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[Abramelin]

The Puzzler, on 15 October 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:

I don't think the people of Latium were speaking Hittite - until the Romans came in, then this language overtook most of the original Latium language (pre-archaic Latin), so there should be a language in Latium that precedes Roman, with Roman Late Latin being a straight connection to Hittite IE.

The Julii family (think 'Julius Caesar') moved from Alba Longa to Rome. You think they changed their language along the way?

I think they spoke (an archaic form of) Latin, an nothing related to Hittite (unless you go back thousands of years, to PIE)

Just read something in Hittite, and you will know what I mean.

[Abramelin]

The Puzzler, on 15 October 2012 - 07:52 AM, said:

Gk alphos - should relate to alpha - meaning highest, top most - as the clouds were - alb/alt mean high because the clouds were high and they were white so this form spread to 'white' - and altars were at 'high places' too, so imo, altars were originally mountain ridges that reached into the sky, touching the clouds. This concept is ancient, with the mountain ridge actually holding UP the sky and the clouds, hence when it collapsed, the sky fell down.

Altars my have been on mountain ridges, but that doesn't necessarily mean there is an etymological connection. And altars were not only erected on high places.


altar (n.)
    O.E. alter, altar, from L. altare (pl. altaria) "high altar, altar for sacrifice to the great gods," perhaps originally meaning "burnt offerings" (cf. L. adolere "to worship, to offer sacrifice, to honor by burning sacrifices to"), but influenced by L. altus "high."

http://www.etymonlin...searchmode=none

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Edited by Abramelin, 15 October 2012 - 08:07 AM.

[Otharus]

Am I the first one to see this?

SOCRATES => SOK-RAT = ZOEK-RAAD = seek counsel/ advice

Edited by Otharus, 15 October 2012 - 12:03 PM.

[The Puzzler]

Otharus, on 15 October 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

Am I the first one to see this?

SOCRATES => SOK-RAT = ZOEK-RAAD = seek counsel/ advice

I don't know but I felt the same way when I saw this:

jæ-l-lik

, afries., Pron.: Vw.: s. jõ-hwe-lik

http://www.koeblerge...ch/afries-J.pdf

jõl-lik = jã-hwe-lik

[The Puzzler]

Abramelin, on 15 October 2012 - 08:01 AM, said:

The Julii family (think 'Julius Caesar') moved from Alba Longa to Rome. You think they changed their language along the way?

I think they spoke (an archaic form of) Latin, an nothing related to Hittite (unless you go back thousands of years, to PIE)

Just read something in Hittite, and you will know what I mean.

The Julii family were RELOCATED to Rome, after Hostilius burned Alba Longa to the ground.

Where did the name Julii come from, sounding alot like Jul, which would have been an important concept in Alba Longa, if the Latium people were indeed Fryan.

I am going back to PIE, which I think is non-existant and is actually the Fryan/Frisian language.

Edited by The Puzzler, 15 October 2012 - 12:53 PM.

[The Puzzler]

Abramelin, on 15 October 2012 - 08:04 AM, said:

Altars my have been on mountain ridges, but that doesn't necessarily mean there is an etymological connection. And altars were not only erected on high places.


altar (n.)
O.E. alter, altar, from L. altare (pl. altaria) "high altar, altar for sacrifice to the great gods," perhaps originally meaning "burnt offerings" (cf. L. adolere "to worship, to offer sacrifice, to honor by burning sacrifices to"), but influenced by L. altus "high."

http://www.etymonlin...searchmode=none

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A high, long altar, exactly what Alba Longa was.

[The Puzzler]

Revelation 1:8, KJV—
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending...

http://www.sabbathco...a_and_omega.htm


Wr-alda is the beginning and the end.

http://oeralinda.angelfire.com/#be

[Abramelin]

The Puzzler, on 15 October 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

Revelation 1:8, KJV—
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending...

http://www.sabbathco...a_and_omega.htm


Wr-alda is the beginning and the end.

http://oeralinda.angelfire.com/#be

Yeah, the Alpha and the Omega. You'll remember the 'adapted' Chi-Rho sign, at its left the alpha and at its right the omega.

Like the characters of the name Wralda are positioned around the Yule wheel...

Just wait a sec,,,

EDIT:

http://www.unexplain...35#entry4148265

The Puzzler, on 15 October 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

A high, long altar, exactly what Alba Longa was.

But etymologically unconnected.

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Edited by Abramelin, 15 October 2012 - 01:46 PM.

[The Puzzler]

Abramelin, on 15 October 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

Yeah, the Alpha and the Omega. You'll remember the 'adapted' Chi-Rho sign, at its left the alpha and at its right the omega.

Like the characters of the name Wralda are positioned around the Yule wheel...

Just wait a sec,,,

EDIT:

http://www.unexplain...35#entry4148265



But etymologically unconnected.

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Yeah the Chi Rho. Don't bother finding it, it didn't interest me that much. It was more to compare how Yahweh and Wralda are given the same classification and Jul-like means ja-hwe-lik.

The etymology is not going to stare you in the face or it would be solved by now. I still say altar in Frisian means alt - high and alba and also alpash, cloud. altar is not all about religion - it's about elevated, high.
an elevated place
structure or a ledge for supporting the feet of shorings
http://dictionary.re...om/browse/altar

Edited by The Puzzler, 15 October 2012 - 01:54 PM.

[The Puzzler]

This Brit-Am article talks about how Frisians are actually Israelites, probably seen it...mentions King Adel in India...

Frisian-legends related that a certain King Adel was a descendant of Shem. King Adel in India had three sons: Friso, Bruno, and Saxo. Le Petit says that Friso, Bruno, and Saxo lived in India.
http://www.britam.org/redjews.html

But King Adel was bringing back original Fryan descendants, whose ancestors had previously left Frisia...

Edited by The Puzzler, 15 October 2012 - 02:00 PM.

[Abramelin]

The Puzzler, on 15 October 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

This Brit-Am article talks about how Frisians are actually Israelites, probably seen it...mentions King Adel in India...

Frisian-legends related that a certain King Adel was a descendant of Shem. King Adel in India had three sons: Friso, Bruno, and Saxo. Le Petit says that Friso, Bruno, and Saxo lived in India.
http://www.britam.org/redjews.html

But King Adel was bringing back original Fryan descendants, whose ancestors had previously left Frisia...

Unbelievable, you really going to start all over again.

[The Puzzler]

Abramelin, on 15 October 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

Unbelievable, you really going to start all over again.

No, just putting up something that might be of interest to new people and showing it's actually out there that Frisians are an Israelite type, but not the way that article has it.
But if I have to, I will.

Edited by The Puzzler, 15 October 2012 - 02:12 PM.

[Abramelin]

The Puzzler, on 15 October 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

No, just putting up something that might be of interest to new people and showing it's actually out there that Frisians are an Israelite type, but not the way that article has it.
But if I have to, I will.

I know the site; instead of quoting directly from that site, you better check their sources first,.

[Otharus]

Otharus, on 15 October 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

SOCRATES => SOK-RAT = ZOEK-RAAD = seek counsel/ advice

al-Kindi, a well-known Arabic philosopher, introduced and tried to reconcile Socrates and Hellenistic philosophy to an Islamic audience, referring to him by the name 'Suqrat'. (wiki/Socrates)

=> just like I said: Soeck Raedt!

OLB: BOK
English: book
Dutch: boek
German: buch
Swedish: bok

OLB: GOD
English: good
Dutch: goed
German: gut
Swedish: gott

OLB: SOK
English: 'sook' (seek, search)
Dutch: 'soek' (zoek)
German: such
Swedish: sök

OLB: RÉD
English: 'read' (counsel, advice)
Dutch: raad, rede
German: rat
Swedish: råd





I am not kidding.

Van Gorp, do you know if one of the Flemish etymologists ever came with this one?

Edited by Otharus, 15 October 2012 - 08:00 PM.

[Otharus]

Or: zoek (het) rad = seek (the) wheel