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#106    Br Cornelius

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 06:23 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 05 January 2013 - 06:19 PM, said:

No they werent they were Hitlers policies.
Settle it with evidence.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 06:39 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 05 January 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

Settle it with evidence.

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Oh I'm so sorry its so obvious that Hitler didnt create the Hitler Youth or the Gestapo. All the history lessons at school where we were taught that the kids were indocturnated with Nazi ideology at school and that the parents had to attend parenting classes were a lie. All the censorship laws and regulation of peoples lives didnt happen. Hitler didnt create millions of jobs by increasing the size of the armed forces, police, secret police, teachers, doctors, civil servants etc.

I can see now how I was so wrong. You Cornelius are a genius.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 06:43 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 05 January 2013 - 06:39 PM, said:

Oh I'm so sorry its so obvious that Hitler didnt create the Hitler Youth or the Gestapo. All the history lessons at school where we were taught that the kids were indocturnated with Nazi ideology at school and that the parents had to attend parenting classes were a lie. All the censorship laws and regulation of peoples lives didnt happen. Hitler didnt create millions of jobs by increasing the size of the armed forces, police, secret police, teachers, doctors, civil servants etc.

I can see now how I was so wrong. You Cornelius are a genius.

Trying to change the list now, also known as shifting the goalposts. does nothing to make it more true. It is still BS.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 07:01 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 05 January 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

Trying to change the list now, also known as shifting the goalposts. does nothing to make it more true. It is still BS.

Where?

Also what part isnt true?


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 07:03 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 05 January 2013 - 07:01 PM, said:

Where?

Also what part isnt true?

To start with, the whole program of the Nazis was reduced to one book: Mein Kampf. Now show me where it seez anything about Social Security in there.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 07:27 PM

http://www.ssa.gov/history/ottob.html

<-- it was in germany social security was first implemented, and later was adapted and expanded by nazi germany, as were things like health care and eugenics... not that hard to find this out ;)


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 07:31 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 05 January 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

So they cant of been socialists because they were funding an anti-bolshervik organisation in Russia. Thats a logical argument isnt it. We are supporting rebels in Syria so does that mean our policies here must support Islamic fundamentalism?

What on earth do the organisations we approach in other countries have to do with our choice of policies at home?
Russian White movement was most certainly NOT socialist in any way at all. Those in exile in Germany gave support to Hitler, not any anti Bolshevik organisation in Soviet Union as it had become. The Aufbau organisation was helping formulate Hitler's ideas and policy. There were three sides in civil war, Reds, Whites and Greens. Reds and Greens were socialists, Whites were everything else, everything except socialists. The form of words used in NSDAP are a misnomer as much as DDR. Flip side of socialism is bolshevism, Marxism-Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, call it what you will. Flip side of what is to right of center is fascism, nazism. I struggle to see how this is even a matter for debate as it is so obvious. All that joins the extreme left and extreme right is totalitarianism, and totalitarianism does not = socialism.

Edited by Atentutankh-pasheri, 05 January 2013 - 07:36 PM.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 07:38 PM

View PostBavarian Raven, on 05 January 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

http://www.ssa.gov/history/ottob.html

<-- it was in germany social security was first implemented, and later was adapted and expanded by nazi germany, as were things like health care and eugenics... not that hard to find this out ;)

adapted more than expanded. Instead of paying unemployed they were sent to build roads (but that program had already been implemented by the last democratic Weimar government, the Nazis just kept on where they left off) and so on. At the end it was all pointed in just one direction: expand Germany, clobber the French and eliminate all unworthy ethnic groups.

Many things that are attributed to the Nazis were in fact started by the last Weimar government, including the building of the Autobahn. The first stretch was finished 2 years before the Nazis came to power (the left Rhine side Autobahn between Cologne and Bonn).

This much is true though: The last government before Adolf was Social Democratic.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 09:24 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 05 January 2013 - 06:39 PM, said:

I can see now how I was so wrong. You Cornelius are a genius.

Thanks for acknowledging your mistake :tu:

As you can see from the last four posts - you were indeed wrong in almost every detail.
One day you might learn  not to make claims you cannot substantiate with supporting evidence.

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Edited by Br Cornelius, 05 January 2013 - 09:58 PM.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:09 PM

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adapted more than expanded. Instead of paying unemployed they were sent to build roads (but that program had already been implemented by the last democratic Weimar government, the Nazis just kept on where they left off) and so on. At the end it was all pointed in just one direction: expand Germany, clobber the French and eliminate all unworthy ethnic groups.

Many things that are attributed to the Nazis were in fact started by the last Weimar government, including the building of the Autobahn. The first stretch was finished 2 years before the Nazis came to power (the left Rhine side Autobahn between Cologne and Bonn).

that being said, a lot of things going on in the US of A right now mirror germany in the 30s a little to close for comfort :whistle:


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:28 PM

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Trying to change the list now, also known as shifting the goalposts. does nothing to make it more true. It is still BS.

People are allowed to change there opinions as evidence is presented. Hopefully you will do more of that.


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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:34 AM

View PostBavarian Raven, on 05 January 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

that being said, a lot of things going on in the US of A right now mirror germany in the 30s a little to close for comfort :whistle:
That is what has me very worried...I was talking to my brother about the exact same thing not long ago.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:28 AM

View PostBavarian Raven, on 05 January 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

that being said, a lot of things going on in the US of A right now mirror germany in the 30s a little to close for comfort :whistle:
There is plenty of evidence that this has everything to do with the malign influence of the CIA which has been heavily infiltrated by Nazi sympathizers from its foundation. The Bushes have a long history of financing the Nazi's.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:33 AM

View PostBavarian Raven, on 05 January 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

that being said, a lot of things going on in the US of A right now mirror germany in the 30s a little to close for comfort :whistle:

Not even close. But banksters are doing their best to get there. In any case, there will be no revolution in the US (at the ballot box or otherwise) until the Mafia can earn from it.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:21 AM

What's wrong with taking the best ideas out of something that was bad though? The idea that simply something is 100% wrong is kind of foolish if you ask me. Social Security is good so we take that, imprisoning and killing millions of people for a stupid reason bad, so we don't do it.

Not really a hard concept and not really all that worrying either.

Oh yeah I forget, down right evil people can't have at least one good idea.

Edited by Jinxdom, 07 January 2013 - 10:29 AM.





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